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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174002 - 11/22/13 08:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fair enough I suppose. I mostly just disagree with your premise that things even out in the end. In my experience and reading they often do not, even though "good" acts often seem to increase the chances of good outcomes and vice versa. Sometimes people who have done very little wrong have a lot of bad shit happen to them and then die at a young age. Perhaps they might have gone on to do bad things and even things out later if they had lived longer, but they didn't. It's also possible that their bad experiences would have driven them to do good things.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
#19174016 - 11/22/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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See, I don't think anything is absolute. There are always exceptions to the rule, but by and large, I've seen my hypothesis to hold true in the world.
I also never rule out the possibility that apparent exceptions are really just a lack of information. There's obviously no way to know everything someone has done.
I'm also open to the possibility that the phenomenon is more of a tendency than a rule, which is why my original (censored) post said she PROBABLY deserved it.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174451 - 11/22/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.
It could be anything or any combination of things. People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once. I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.
So then, if it all balances itself out in the end over generations of time and between societies as a whole, it means that she didnt deserve it like you so claimed.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19174457 - 11/22/13 10:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are putting words in my mouth...where did I say "over generations of time and between societies as a whole"?
I'm guessing I didn't, and you just wanted to attribute that to me so that you could tear it apart. In academia, they call that a "strawman argument." You should look it up sometime.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174460 - 11/22/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rasputin, definitely got what he deserved.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma]
#19174463 - 11/22/13 10:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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We all do.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174483 - 11/22/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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maybe. maybe not. i see that there is alot of people with more then they deserve. whether it be power, money, ect...
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19174496 - 11/22/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't really see power or money as being a part of the equation, though. Certain people are better suited to compete in those realms, and they will acquire more power, money or both than those that are less suited.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174510 - 11/22/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh, money and power are purely aesthetic. 
so only when i comes to people's anguish or suffering, do they get their comeuppance?
how very Buddhist of you.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19174516 - 11/22/13 11:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't do isms, but okay...
Money and power are social constructs that can change or disappear at any time.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174555 - 11/22/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: You are putting words in my mouth...where did I say "over generations of time and between societies as a whole"?
I'm guessing I didn't, and you just wanted to attribute that to me so that you could tear it apart. In academia, they call that a "strawman argument." You should look it up sometime.
I did assume it, based on the "it all works itself out in the end." Well you said yourself things can take years to develop. Which means it can take generations and generations before "it all works itself out" with true justice. It's not like there's a time limit on karmic retribution, if it DOES exist.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19174614 - 11/22/13 11:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Maybe in your version of it...not in mine. Mine is pretty clearly limited to one lifetime.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174679 - 11/22/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: Maybe in your version of it...not in mine. Mine is pretty clearly limited to one lifetime.
How did you come to that deduction when clearly if you look at individual lives it doesn't always happen.
Examples: The Black Dahlia killer, the Zodiac killer, Deputy Steven Caulkins, T. Cullen Davis, OJ Simpson, the Mexican drug cartel, all the random innocent victims of the Mexican drug cartel, and so forth...
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19174722 - 11/22/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't know how much suffering those people have endured in their lives. Without knowing that and how much suffering they've caused, I can't render an opinion.
As I've said before in this thread, there are exceptions to every rule.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174823 - 11/22/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I don't know how much suffering those people have endured in their lives. Without knowing that and how much suffering they've caused, I can't render an opinion.
Yet you did. By 1) saying that she deserves it, and 2) Everything works itself out in the end. How do you make this deduction if you don't know how much anybody's suffered, period?
I'm certain that we can all agree that monetary suffering, romantic suffering, sexual suffering, and medical suffering does not nearly equate to the same degree of suffering as torture and murder. Because if Deputy Steven Caulkins, T. Cullen Davis, or OJ Simpson (I'm just using these 3 people cause those are actual names and identities I can provide, as opposed to anonymous identities or arbitrary groups) had endured any of this type of suffering, we would have all heard about it in the media by now.
I mean, to even suggest that so and so suffered just as equally and got "just served" and simply because their wife cheated on them and dumped them for another man, or somebody robbed them at gunpoint, or whatever else, is kind of a slap in the face to what these victims went through. Even the prison system isn't really truly "justice" if you really think about it.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19174873 - 11/22/13 01:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I didn't say she deserved it. I said she PROBABLY deserved it. I also never said I don't know how much ANYBODY's suffered...just those people you mentioned. I've never met any of them.
I think OJ has definitely suffered a lot, though. After all, he is in prison for stealing his own property back. I don't know whether or not he caused anywhere near as much suffering as he has received, but he may have or he may in the future.
The other two, I know nothing about.
Further, I'm not here to mathematically determine how many playground shoves equals one assrape. I'm sure I could ask 1000 people and get 1500 different answers to that question. You're, of course, entitled to your opinion in thinking that someone got it worse than they gave. I'm entitled to disagree.
...it still doesn't make it trolling, though.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] 1
#19174884 - 11/22/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That is NOT why OJ is in prison.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174886 - 11/22/13 01:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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T. Cullen Davis was charged with killing his entire family, then acquitted.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma] 1
#19174907 - 11/22/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Then he probably didn't kill his entire family.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19174918 - 11/22/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, he just hired a hitman to do it for his rich ass. then there was insufficient evidence to get a conviction.
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