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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19172633 - 11/21/13 08:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have observed similar things, but that was not what you were indicating when you said "She deserved it." When people say "she deserved it," they are implying that she had done something allegedly to her aggressor, something that provoked her aggressor to lose his temper and go to that level of abducting her and torturing her.
Not at all. I made it very clear that I suspected that somewhere along the way, she either has done something or will do something that earns her a three day beating. It has nothing to do with her aggressor. I doubt very much that he was right in what he did, and I indicated as much when I said that he got what was coming to him.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19172660 - 11/21/13 08:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: akira_akuma]
#19172717 - 11/21/13 09:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] 1
#19172787 - 11/21/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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Crystal G said:
I have observed similar things, but that was not what you were indicating when you said "She deserved it." When people say "she deserved it," they are implying that she had done something allegedly to her aggressor, something that provoked her aggressor to lose his temper and go to that level of abducting her and torturing her.
Not at all. I made it very clear that I suspected that somewhere along the way, she either has done something or will do something that earns her a three day beating. It has nothing to do with her aggressor. I doubt very much that he was right in what he did, and I indicated as much when I said that he got what was coming to him.
"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."
That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?
Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: qman]
#19172937 - 11/21/13 10:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What could she possibly do to deserve three days of torture, other than her abusing and torturing or killing somebody herself? This wasn't a mere ass whooping. It was three DAYS of excruciating, close-to-death TORTURE that only a prisoner of war would experience.
What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: qman]
#19172944 - 11/21/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Edit: Double post
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: qman]
#19173641 - 11/22/13 04:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."
That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?
Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?
You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"? I think that is naïve beyond words.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173656 - 11/22/13 05:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."
That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?
Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?
You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"? I think that is naïve beyond words.
Harm does not have to be done in a physical sense. There are very few if any humans who have done no wrong.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Crystal G]
#19173671 - 11/22/13 05:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.
It could be anything or any combination of things. People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once. I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173721 - 11/22/13 05:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said:
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"or will do something that earns her a three day beating."
That's pretty crazy thinking, why would you assume a person who never harmed anyone in their entire life will eventually act out so immorally in the future?
Some people live decent moral lifes without harming others, why is that so difficult to believe?
You believe that there are adults who have "never harmed anyone in their entire life"? I think that is naïve beyond words.
I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173746 - 11/22/13 05:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What could somebody possibly do, other than killing or torturing somebody themselves, to warrant that kind of behavior? Even ripping somebody off of their entire life savings or "gently" molesting somebody doesn't warrant that kind of torture. A beautiful ass-whooping, maybe. Three days of torture, no.
It could be anything or any combination of things. People harm others all the time and never get caught or punished until they've done it one too many times and get paid back for the whole lot at once. I never said that every negative act will have an equal and opposite negative reaction...only that it all balances out in the end.
Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
#19173758 - 11/22/13 06:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.
You just keep telling yourself that. It doesn't make it true.
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Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic. It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today. If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173783 - 11/22/13 06:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've never harmed anyone, unless you count that time when I was a kid and I threw a rock at a window, no one got hurt but I assume the window needed to be replaced.
You just keep telling yourself that. It doesn't make it true.
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psi said: Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.
Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic. It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today. If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.
I suppose you could count the more distant consequences of my actions, I eat turkey I support the massive factory farms. I shop at walmart, I support their unethical business practices. Or I get electricity from a coal burning power plant instead of from a cleaner energy source.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: NotTheDevil] 1
#19173789 - 11/22/13 06:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So, you've never said an unkind, hurtful word to another human being?
I'd be careful, bro...you're likely to be hung on a cross like the last perfect person.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173797 - 11/22/13 06:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: So, you've never said an unkind, hurtful word to another human being?
I'd be careful, bro...you're likely to be hung on a cross like the last perfect person.
Hurtful word? Sure, but their feelings remain unhurt I don't really count people getting butthurt because I don't believe in the same things they do as harm, but I guess if you count being slightly dissatisfied as harm then harm is absolutely everywhere.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19173800 - 11/22/13 06:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I see, so you've never harmed anyone according to your narrow definition of the word...
Life is so much easier when you can just make up definitions for words as you go along. Kudos, bro.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil]
#19173807 - 11/22/13 06:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Enlil said: I see, so you've never harmed anyone according to your narrow definition of the word...
Life is so much easier when you can just make up definitions for words as you go along. Kudos, bro.
Your definition of harm is a broad as the horizon.
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: Enlil] 1
#19173809 - 11/22/13 06:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said: Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.
Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic. It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today. If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.
And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
#19173820 - 11/22/13 06:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said: Still sounds like a pretty simplistic belief system. In the absence of some magic equalizing force it seems pretty obvious that some people will have far more evil done to them than they ever dole out, and vice versa. Presumably that is part of the reason why many who believe in karma also believe in reincarnation, it's glaringly obvious that things often do not even out over a single lifetime so a spiritual overtime is posited to even the score. If you die at a young age and have no chance to do as much evil as was done to you, you must have done those equalizing bad things in some previous life.
Simplistic, maybe, but it requires no magic. It really only requires the existence of a currently unknown form of energy that acts as all known energy acts today. If a person is a "battery" for this energy, then every charge emitted from that battery creates an imbalance in the battery that attracts the opposite charge.
And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?
And this energy would have to be specific to humans because
"Except for the animals...they don't have karma."
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Re: Family of Louisiana Kidnapped Victim Track Down and Kill Her Captor [Re: psi]
#19173949 - 11/22/13 07:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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psi said: And how might this mystery energy form influence events to ensure that people settle up their karma bills by the time they die?
Probably through biological process, much like how a person who is abused often becomes an abuser.
Of course, I never claimed to have all of the answers. I made it clear that this is all MY BELIEF based on MY OBSERVATIONS over 4 decades of living on this planet. I'm not a scientist and don't claim to have empirical proof at all.
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