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OfflineNoitartst
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Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough
    #19170174 - 11/21/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

For some reason, I cant seem to get harvested DMT to overwhelmingly work, anymore; 120mgs used to be plenty, getiing me to the light show without question, but now, I have issues, and am going back to ayahuasca,but there I too have issues.

I still start getting an initial rush after drinking, and things start changing around me, but I keep throwing up fifteen, twenty minutes in, and that seems too soon.  I have regurgitated since my youth, and as a result, I possess abnormally strong gag reflexes, so what might take a longer time to throw up for me is shorter.

I 've tried padding my stomach, too, but that doesn't seem sufficient, at least as to how I've done it. How long do I need to hold ayahuasca down for, anyhow?

On a side note, how does dissolving 120mgs of DMT in warm, microwaved orange juice, compare with ayahuasca?


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Noitartst]
    #19170177 - 11/21/13 01:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You need to relax and know all will be fine... the vomiting is anxiety...


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Icyus]
    #19170186 - 11/21/13 01:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I read in High Times about a ayahuasca trip, and the guy was told to fast before.  He got the dry heaves a few times.  Every other trip I've read about involved vomiting and diarrhea.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: sunshine]
    #19170200 - 11/21/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

In the circles we sing songs, and the vibrations from my vocal chords and chest ease a TON of the nausea. Usually keeps me from puking until i'm thoroughly fucked and can't sing anymore. Might be a little odd if you're tripping alone, but just my 2 cents. Could be worth a shot.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Icyus]
    #19170203 - 11/21/13 01:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Dissolving your DMT in orange juice will convert some/most of it into DMT citrate, a salt form, which should not really have an effect different than the DMT in ayahuasca would. The main cause of vomitting with most of the brews I have tried seems to boil down to the enzyme inhibitor -- the herb or chemical that allows the DMT to be active orally. Syrian rue creates chaos in my belly, try caapi vine. Or if you're using caapi, try rue, or an extract of either plant. I have the least nausea with a syrian rue extract.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: sunshine]
    #19174656 - 11/22/13 11:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I read in High Times about a ayahuasca trip, and the guy was told to fast before.  He got the dry heaves a few times.  Every other trip I've read about involved vomiting and diarrhea.




The diarrhea is dandy the vomiting with nothing to show for it, well, It's a waste of resources, to say nothing of discouraging.  It may be much in my head, but how much?  for those who take ayahuasca, how long do ya typically hold it down for, anywho?

Fasting strikes me as an excellent idea, though; for how long? A day?  More?

Oh, and if I dissolved 120mgs of DMT into orange juice, would it be a bad idea for the DMT if I heated the juice up a bit beforehand, easing dissolving process?

And singing...that, I can do.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Noitartst] * 1
    #19174767 - 11/22/13 12:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

you should be able to hold it for at least 1h or maybe 2h.
but if that does not work I have a pro advice for ya:fasted:

If you vomit too early you just need to catch that stuff and just be a man and down it a second time :dawerp:

Thats gonna get you a nice trip even if you need to get used to it.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Noitartst]
    #19175501 - 11/22/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Could be too many tannins in the brew causing the nausea. I always cold filter my brew which gets rid of a lot of them. After the brew has been reduced put it in the fridge over night then decant the top layer, squeeze filter the sediment then discard the sediment.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: rikuni]
    #19175719 - 11/22/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you should be able to hold it for at least 1h or maybe 2h.
but if that does not work I have a pro advice for ya:fasted:

If you vomit too early you just need to catch that stuff and just be a man and down it a second time :dawerp:

Thats gonna get you a nice trip even if you need to get used to it.




Hold it for an hour?  10 grams of mimosa in liquid one to two hours?  Seems impossible, but I will aim for it, nonetheless, and trust its possibility; may I need to water it down to something workable, and move up.

By the way, how long need I fast?


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: muistrue]
    #19175724 - 11/22/13 05:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Great ideas to knock out the tannins; you could try an egg-white clarification also. 

Use a lemon essential oil (or ginger root) predose to stamp out the seretonergic nausea caused by the MAOI and DMT.

3 or 4 Datura seeds may ease nausea while increasing vids.

If all else fails; follow the advice of rikuni; to
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...catch that stuff and just be a man and down it a second time




Also; I don't think it is a good idea to water down your aya.  The smaller amount of liquid in your stomach the faster it should absorb.

Have you tried following the Ayahuasca "dieta"?


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: flickedbic]
    #19179341 - 11/23/13 03:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

"The smaller amount of liquid in your stomach, the faster it should absorb"?  Beg pardon?

I was talking about a smaller dose being easier to hold down, in theory. I mean, instead of ingesting a full mug of 10gms worth of bark, how about a full mug of five gms instead?  I could just take a full mug of 10 gms and divide it in half, though....


Oh, and I've already tried knocking out the tannins; I used baking soda, and freezing and thawing seems to work, too.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Noitartst]
    #19179389 - 11/23/13 03:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lemon essential oil kills all nausea for me. 10 drops in water 15 minutes before brew ingestion. Also not eating for 6 to 8 hours before helps. And reducing the Brew down as much as possible an takin small sips works good. Converting to a salt is also a good idea. My guy got an ulcer in his stomach from freebase. It was a large dose though.


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Rewindicus]
    #19196385 - 11/27/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Lemon essential oil, as opposed to lemon juice?  We are we talking of, exactly?


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: Noitartst]
    #19197503 - 11/27/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Google is your friend

Can find Lemon essential oil on amazon, whole foods, etc


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Re: Issues with Holding Down My Ayahuasca Long Enough [Re: HarryL]
    #19197575 - 11/27/13 05:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

http://encyclopediapsychonautica.org/index.php?title=Ayahuasca_Cupcakes


Check this prep out ya'll, I haven't heard of any actual reports of trying this yet but damn does it look interesting. Edible ayahuasca anyone?


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