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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
    #19169942 - 11/21/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It is what they do best besides name calling and bashing women.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
    #19169947 - 11/21/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It shows they lack of courage in their convictions.

The ignore function this site provides is an embarrassment.

Those that use it should be ashamed of their lack of spine.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
    #19169959 - 11/21/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ok I'm done you're on ignore.




Translation for those with spine...
I can't hear you, I can't hear you. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
    #19169963 - 11/21/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19169967 - 11/21/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Juicin said:
Ok I'm done you're on ignore.




Translation for those with spine...
I can't hear you, I can't hear you. Nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah.



well I'm not really sure how to do it

The old fashioned way will have to do, not that this has anything to do with his or your argument

"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.

Not that I have seen you type anything but hyperbole in this thread


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: psyconaught]
    #19169968 - 11/21/13 12:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Yea in developing nations, you're living a pipe dream sold to you by the corporate state hook line and fucking sinker. You're never going to be truly rich, neither am I. And there are millions of poor people who would stimulate the economy if given an income.



who knows, you may get wealthy and its possible i will as well. The guy who invented snap chat in his college dorm just got offered 3 Billion dollars from Facebook. There are many examples of self made people in this country and others. Economic stimulus comes from productivity. Giving away other peoples money is not productivity.  And Socialism does not work. The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is.




"Socialism does not work" 

In some places it does, very well in fact.

"The more capitalist a society the more prosperous it is"

Not true, it depends on the society, sometimes more capitalism works, sometimes it doesn't.



please cite where more a free market alone has created disparity. And there are certain places where specific types of socialist systems has worked for a limited amount of time. But socialism as a whole does not work.

even countries that have socialist type programs in place are realizing that they don't work
http://www.newgeography.com/content/004028-the-dutch-rethink-welfare-state




You made some blanket statements, I'm a capitalist, yet what we practice in the US has not been capitalism for a very long time.

Many European nations are questioning their socialist models today, why?  They are broke, but guess what, so is the US and the rest of the developed economies of the world.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] * 2
    #19170012 - 11/21/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs




Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.

Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.

Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.

It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] * 2
    #19170024 - 11/21/13 01:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.



Please explain to the audience how a trustfunder pissing away her inheritance of a few hundred million simoleons by bathing every night of her life in a hot tub filled with fresh champagne mixed with ermine milk prevents me from achieving any of my goals?

Looking at it from a different angle, if that trustfunder had been smothered in her crib by his sociopathic nanny before she reached her first birthday, by what percentage would my goal of achieving financial independence by age sixty have been improved? Would I go from a ten per cent chance of making it to a fifteen per cent chance? An eleven per cent chance? A ten and an three sixty-fourths per cent chance?


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
    #19170046 - 11/21/13 01:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs




Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.

Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.

Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.

It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.




China is a terrible example but i'll take your point. It would still lift millions into the middle class assuming a quarter of our population isn't below the poverty line. We are a massive economy with more than enough wealth to go around. We are falling into the old roman problem of the landed elites owning everything and not paying taxes. Straight out of a basic western civ class.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
    #19170077 - 11/21/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said:
hyperbole




You may need a dictionary.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Phred]
    #19170078 - 11/21/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"the super rich don't affect me" just blows me away.



Please explain to the audience how a trustfunder pissing away her inheritance of a few hundred million simoleons by bathing every night of her life in a hot tub filled with fresh champagne mixed with ermine milk prevents me from achieving any of my goals?

Looking at it from a different angle, if that trustfunder had been smothered in her crib by his sociopathic nanny before she reached her first birthday, by what percentage would my goal of achieving financial independence by age sixty have been improved? Would I go from a ten per cent chance of making it to a fifteen per cent chance? An eleven per cent chance? A ten and an three sixty-fourths per cent chance?


Phred




Well you could start by the super rich indirectly controlling all 3 branches of Federal Government with their wealth. Then you can move on to their control of the media, which pretty much cinches up control of all politics in this country. Then you can move on to the food supply, poor regulations on food safety, patenting naturally occurring genetic sequences, and subsidizing crops like corn to the detriment of the whole country. Then you can move to the military industrial complex, big corporations spreading their factories all over the country so legislators can fight for earmarks to keep their unneeded weapons being produced.

I could go on, but the point is if you want the general will to manifest itself everyone needs to be well informed and have their basic necessities met. Otherwise it's not a republic it's an oligarchy


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19170082 - 11/21/13 01:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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luvdemshrooms said:
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Juicin said:
hyperbole




You may need a dictionary.




I would call trolling hyperbole? No?

There isn't any point to what you're saying just looking to elicit emotion?

Maybe I'm not using it correctly, I don't think so tho


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
    #19170091 - 11/21/13 01:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said:
I would call trolling hyperbole? No?




Ummm... no.


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There isn't any point to what you're saying just looking to elicit emotion?




Still no.


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Maybe I'm not using it correctly, I don't think so tho




Nope. Incorrect usage.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19170104 - 11/21/13 01:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm yup it's a literary device, did not know that.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
    #19170110 - 11/21/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:themoreyouknow:


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] * 1
    #19170144 - 11/21/13 01:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said: Well you could start by the super rich indirectly controlling all 3 branches of Federal Government with their wealth.



They don't, but even if they did, that doesn't answer my question.

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Then you can move on to their control of the media, which pretty much cinches up control of all politics in this country. Then you can move on to the food supply, poor regulations on food safety, patenting naturally occurring genetic sequences, and subsidizing crops like corn to the detriment of the whole country. Then you can move to the military industrial complex, big corporations spreading their factories all over the country so legislators can fight for earmarks to keep their unneeded weapons being produced.

I could go on…



Why bother? None of what I've block quoted so far answers my question either. The odds of you doing so if you continue therefore don't look good.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin] * 1
    #19170153 - 11/21/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Juicin said:
Quote:

Juicin said:
Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs




Eastern Europe had one of the most educated societies for decades, it didn't create shit, no demand, no jobs, no wealth.

Many Asian counties had/have some of the most educated populations in world, again no jobs or very low paying jobs, no demand, no wealth.

Education is only useful if it's needed, China now has 9 million unemployed college graduates, the US and Europe also have millions of unemployed skilled and highly educated workers.

It's a lot more complicated than education equals wealth, history proves it.




China is a terrible example but i'll take your point. It would still lift millions into the middle class assuming a quarter of our population isn't below the poverty line. We are a massive economy with more than enough wealth to go around. We are falling into the old roman problem of the landed elites owning everything and not paying taxes. Straight out of a basic western civ class.




What provided the greatest ear of economic prosperity in the US history?

Low skilled labor, no education was requited.  My grandparents had below high school educations, yet relative to today's generation their wealth was multiples higher, why? Good paying low skilled jobs, everyone had them, that is what creates wealth and economic strength.

The capitalists sent the work out of the country, education is not a economic fix at this stage, sad but true.


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: qman]
    #19170223 - 11/21/13 01:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.ted.com/talks/ken_robinson_how_to_escape_education_s_death_valley.html

The days of cheap low skill labor is over. Wealth will created by intellectual property and our citizens ability to monetize it.

edit - high paying, not cheap


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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: Juicin]
    #19170343 - 11/21/13 02:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Education brings skills, which creates wealth, which creates demand, which creates jobs




It depends on what the education is and characteristics of the vessel that receives it.  It is becoming more and more clear that government supplied education is lacking in anything other than providing a safe voter base for bum pandering Dem pols to fuck over in the long run.  The millennials who voted for this asshole are the ones who are going to get the bill.
http://townhall.com/columnists/kurtschlichter/2013/11/04/maybe-pain-will-teach-you-millenials-not-to-vote-for-your-own-serfdom-n1733722/page/

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You Millenials voted for Obama by a margin of 28 percent, which will make it a lot easier for me to accept the benefits you will be paying for. We warned you that liberalism was a scam designed to take the fruits of your labor and transfer it to us, the older, established generation. Oh, and also to the couch-dwelling, Democrat-voting losers who live off of food stamps and order junk from QVC with their Obamaphones.

You didn’t listen to us. Maybe you’ll listen to pain.

I have been told that being hard on you Millennials will turn you against conservatism, that I should offer you a positive, hopeful message that avoids the touchy problem of your manifest stupidity.

No. There’s no sugar-coating it – your votes for Democrats have ensured that you are the first generation in American history that will fail to exceed what their parents attained. Embracing liberalism was a stupid thing to do, done for the stupidest of reasons, and I will now let you subsidize my affluent lifestyle without a shred of guilt.

I’m a 48 year old trial lawyer living on the coast in California – I should have “Hope and Change” tattooed on my glutes. I’d have an excuse to be lib-curious, but you Millennials? Why do you support an ideology that pillages you to pay-off Democrat constituencies? Your time in the indoctrination factories of academia trained you in a form of “critical thinking” that is neither. Somehow, you came to embrace the bizarre notion that conservatives are psychotic Jesus freaks who want to Footloosisze America into a land of mandatory Sunday school and no dancing.

But liberals, in contrast, are nice. Obama is cool. You chose petty fascism with a smile. Not a lot of thought went into it. Facts, evidence – these were mere distractions from the feelings-based validation that came from rejecting us wicked conservatives.

What did you get? The chance to be forced to buy health insurance you don’t want at inflated rates so my rates can be lower. You get to pay more out of your monthly barista take – liberalism ensured that the tanked job market foreclosed a real career – so that I get to pay less out of my lawyer checks. Thanks, suckers.

You fume that conservatives want to spy on you in your bedrooms. Leaving aside the fact that that your tacky boudoir fumblings are the last thing conservatives care about, have you noticed how your precious Big Brother spies on your doings everywhere else? But who cares about that – Mumford & Sons totally digs Obama!

Don’t even get me started on your crappy music.

Enjoy your student loans, Millennials! We tried to tell you that it was a Democrat scam designed to subsidize liberal academia by allowing you to go into decades of crushing debt to pay for a bachelors in Ancient Guatemalan Gender Identity Issues.

Good plan. Now fetch my latte – I’m in a hurry to get to my corner office. And I’ll leave you a tip – next time you decide to vote for a liberal, first be born in 1964.

Don’t think that I’m happy about this. I came to Los Angeles after the Gulf War. I had a car and a few bucks I had saved in the desert which went right into paying for Loyola Law School. I had no contacts and no money, but I knew I had endless opportunity.

I worked hard. I could start a business. I could get credit. I could – and did – build my own future.

But can you? Liberalism, with its impoverishing redistribution, crippling regulations and the debt it suckered you into undertaking, has ensured that most of you can’t.

You live with your parents, and Obamacare encourages sponging until you are 26 years old. At 26, I was leading Americans in a war, not begging mommy to pay my bills. The liberals want you to be eternal man-children, wearing cargo shorts and passively pumping money into their socialized medicine nightmare in return for “Brosurance” you don’t want or need.

It breaks my heart to see the young lawyers I hire hobbled by six figures of debt. But hey, your desperation works fine for us established folks. I got 297 applications for a junior associate position. Let me say that again – 297. Most of them weren’t even practicing law – they were brewing coffee, not writing briefs. Now, I understand that most of you learned nothing but liberal clichés in college, but take a guess: As an employer, are the salaries I pay generally more or less when I have 297 people competing for each job?

So feel free to keep voting for the liberals who keep you in chains. I’ll take my cheaper insurance, my future Social Security checks, and the other benefits that come from being established without guilt. The guys who you squander your votes upon certainly won’t change that equation. You’ll tread water in life, but hey, at least those conservatives won’t be in charge!

Thanks again, suckers. Now get off my lawn.






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Re: Notice To Incumbent Democrats Up For Reelection In 2014: [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19170915 - 11/21/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Can anyone explain why having compassion, empathy, and love for all mankind is so unpopular with Republicans on this site?


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