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i met some weirdo off the intenet today
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and he looked like john wayne gacy with no teeth.i walk into his house and see ammo cans and handcuffs.i was packing a pistol though and he didn't know it.he ended up getting me stoned with a "plenty" vape and selling me a 20 sack of bud.then I went home.the end
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Doctor Sponge]
#19169770 - 11/21/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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did you have sexy time?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Doctor Sponge] 5
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In the future, ditch the pistol.. it will only cause trouble if people see it. If I lure you to my house with the intent of killing you, I will be all friendly and disarming, then smack you in the temple with a tire iron when you aren't looking. The pistol won't help.
Actually, bring the pistol... I could use a new one. By the way, I am having a barbecue this weekend. Wanna come over?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: dontknow]
#19169812 - 11/21/13 12:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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no actually his wife was there and im not gay.thats why I brought a gun incase he was gunna try to kidnap and rape me
@smendrick no I had already thought of that.i was watching him closely and watched him when he walked behind me.i also had a 4 1/2 inch fixed blade gerber knife on me as well
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Doctor Sponge]
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Sounds like a bad place to live.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Eggtimer]
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Eggtimer said: Sounds like a bad place to live.
you never know man but I was surprised how much he looked like a methed out gacy all my fears were realized
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Doctor Sponge]
#19170235 - 11/21/13 01:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fucking hell. You guys bring pistols when meeting new people.
I understand it's the internet and all but why not meet at a public place or build some trust first, rather than just rocking up with a lethal weapon. Jesus Christ. This kind of thing is one of the reasons I distance myself from the USA and do not plan to visit any time soon. I'm sure it has some nice places and not everyone is gun-crazy, and all, but this is madness.
If I meet someone, the first thing I'd think of bringing is a gift - not a means to kill the person. Lordy, lordy, lordy.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go] 2
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KGB Is Go said: Fucking hell. You guys bring pistols when meeting new people.
I understand it's the internet and all but why not meet at a public place or build some trust first, rather than just rocking up with a lethal weapon. Jesus Christ. This kind of thing is one of the reasons I distance myself from the USA and do not plan to visit any time soon. I'm sure it has some nice places and not everyone is gun-crazy, and all, but this is madness.
If I meet someone, the first thing I'd think of bringing is a gift - not a means to kill the person. Lordy, lordy, lordy.
I understand you not wanting to see someone with a gun, but damn people who aren't from the US are paranoid about guns. "lethal weapon" like there aren't a hundred different lethal weapons in every house.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil] 2
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yea dude like wtf
everyones like oh! he so violent he has a gun
ya so what?
doesn't mean he thinks he's just going to shoot you and that's it
more of a danger to himself and people in the household then you
uk'rs are dumb like that
then they smoke pot with a clown one day after work and never come home
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Konyap] 2
#19170621 - 11/21/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: I understand you not wanting to see someone with a gun, but damn people who aren't from the US are paranoid about guns. "lethal weapon" like there aren't a hundred different lethal weapons in every house.
There's a pretty large difference between being in the vicinity of objects that have the potential to kill, and someone carrying a gun. A gun is a lethal weapon, designed and built to kill, I'm not sure why that's so Damn people from the US are nonchalant about violence and aggression.
You guys are condoning carrying a pistol when meeting new people (and apparently at other times too), and I'm the one who's paranoid???
That is (but at the same time sad).
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go] 2
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KGB Is Go said: Fucking hell. You guys bring pistols when meeting new people.
I understand it's the internet and all but why not meet at a public place or build some trust first, rather than just rocking up with a lethal weapon. Jesus Christ. This kind of thing is one of the reasons I distance myself from the USA and do not plan to visit any time soon. I'm sure it has some nice places and not everyone is gun-crazy, and all, but this is madness.
If I meet someone, the first thing I'd think of bringing is a gift - not a means to kill the person. Lordy, lordy, lordy.
Am I the only one who saw this as "were better than you because we dont use guns"
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
#19170676 - 11/21/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i'm not nonchalant about violence and i live in usa. a gun is not just a killing weapon, it provides protection for the most part. meeting people on the internet is sometimes sketchy, specially if the situation is sketchy. i hope you don't go unarmed next time you meet up with a stranger missy, or at least not go with your guard down.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go] 3
#19170696 - 11/21/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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KGB Is Go said: There's a pretty large difference between being in the vicinity of objects that have the potential to kill, and someone carrying a gun. A gun is a lethal weapon, designed and built to kill, I'm not sure why that's so Damn people from the US are nonchalant about violence and aggression.
You guys are condoning carrying a pistol when meeting new people (and apparently at other times too), and I'm the one who's paranoid???
That is (but at the same time sad).
Yeah. A gun is just a thing. Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions. Americans (the ones who own guns and love them) are proud of their right to own the means to defend themselves from unknown evils in the world. We think it would be crazy (as crazy as you see us) for the government to actively prohibit law-abiding citizens from possessing the same level of firepower as is readily available to the common criminal that one would find breaking into one's home.
different perspectives, i suppose
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mescalean]
#19170755 - 11/21/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: Am I the only one who saw this as "were better than you because we dont use guns"
I'm sorry if it came across that way. What I'm trying to say is that this seems a highly paranoid, untrusting and unfriendly manner to interact with people, and not something to be 'cool' with or proud of.
I mean, I like that your constitution allows you the right to bear arms and defend yourselves, and there's some pretty awesome freedoms that have come about from the US, I think. But when you get to the point that you need to carry weapons when meeting new people in order to feel safe, that's really not a good thing IMO.
If I felt I needed to arm myself when meeting someone new - i.e. I felt I might need to potentially kill the person - I would be strongly avoiding this situation and finding someone else or meeting under circumstances which did not require this measure to be taken.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: memes] 1
#19170781 - 11/21/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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memes said: Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions.
That is totally false.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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guns arent a big deal. its just like the baseball bat that brits and aussie's keep behind their front door - summarily: an inanimate object that remains that way until its operator decides it needs to be used to do harm to another.
its just way more effective and can't be used for sports
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19170798 - 11/21/13 03:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: That is totally false.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: memes]
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Mush4Brains said: That is totally false.
not in my eyes
So accidentally shooting someone means you had deadly intentions?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19170832 - 11/21/13 03:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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memes said: Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions.
That is totally false.
it's not a weapon until it is used as one.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains] 1
#19170838 - 11/21/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: So accidentally shooting someone means you had deadly intentions?
this is going to quickly turn into a game of semantics, so i'm goign to stop it now.
you have my viewpoints, i have yours. we'll go on our separate ways now.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
#19170840 - 11/21/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mescalean said: Am I the only one who saw this as "were better than you because we dont use guns"
I'm sorry if it came across that way. What I'm trying to say is that this seems a highly paranoid, untrusting and unfriendly manner to interact with people, and not something to be 'cool' with or proud of.
I mean, I like that your constitution allows you the right to bear arms and defend yourselves, and there's some pretty awesome freedoms that have come about from the US, I think. But when you get to the point that you need to carry weapons when meeting new people in order to feel safe, that's really not a good thing IMO.
If I felt I needed to arm myself when meeting someone new - i.e. I felt I might need to potentially kill the person - I would be strongly avoiding this situation and finding someone else or meeting under circumstances which did not require this measure to be taken.
Its just a bad idea to meet strangers one on one with no way to defend your self should they want to harm you, although for most people pepper spray is probably the best option.
Reminds me though of the time in the UK when a burglar with a knife broke into a police academy pretending to be a cop (and remember no one but the criminals here can have guns) and was going to kill them when someone with a sword came in and saved them all then left: first thing the police do? Try to find him so they can arrest him for having a sword. Not related this just reminded me of that. http://www.cracked.com/article_19585_6-real-acts-self-defense-too-awesome-action-movie_p2.html
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19170852 - 11/21/13 03:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: That is totally false.
not in my eyes
So accidentally shooting someone means you had deadly intentions?
Does accidentally stabbing someone with a kitchen knife make a kitchen knife a deadly weapon? Or could it perhaps be the intent with which an item is used that determines what it is?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: memes]
#19170860 - 11/21/13 03:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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memes said: Yeah. A gun is just a thing. Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions. Americans (the ones who own guns and love them) are proud of their right to own the means to defend themselves from unknown evils in the world. We think it would be crazy (as crazy as you see us) for the government to actively prohibit law-abiding citizens from possessing the same level of firepower as is readily available to the common criminal that one would find breaking into one's home.
different perspectives, i suppose
A gun might be a thing, just as a piece of food is a thing, but these things have intended uses and so carry intent and meaning. Rocking up with a gun, as opposed to a piece of fruit or cake, for instance, carries a pretty different meaning and intent.
While I don't think it's the best policy - promoting gun use - I think it's a fine right, in principal. And I agree your government shouldn't disarm you - but only because of the threat they represent and disperse around the globe. If they weren't so heavy-handed and oppressive, I don't think you'd need to worry so much.
So I wasn't commenting on your right to bear arms and defend yourself... but how threatened do you guys generally feel (mainly, I mean towards each other, or generally while out and about)?
Yeah, different perspectives, I guess. We get a decent amount of alcohol-fuelled violence in Australia but for the most part it's pretty safe - so long as you know when and where not to be. Perhaps this can just serve as a reminder to be thankful I live in a pretty friendly and relatively trusting place (in which guns are mostly prohibited).
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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KGB Is Go said:
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memes said: Yeah. A gun is just a thing. Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions. Americans (the ones who own guns and love them) are proud of their right to own the means to defend themselves from unknown evils in the world. We think it would be crazy (as crazy as you see us) for the government to actively prohibit law-abiding citizens from possessing the same level of firepower as is readily available to the common criminal that one would find breaking into one's home.
different perspectives, i suppose
A gun might be a thing, just as a piece of food is a thing, but these things have intended uses and so carry intent and meaning. Rocking up with a gun, as opposed to a piece of fruit or cake, for instance, carries a pretty different meaning and intent.
While I don't think it's the best policy - promoting gun use - I think it's a fine right, in principal. And I agree your government shouldn't disarm you - but only because of the threat they represent and disperse around the globe. If they weren't so heavy-handed and oppressive, I don't think you'd need to worry so much.
So I wasn't commenting on your right to bear arms and defend yourself... but how threatened do you guys generally feel (mainly, I mean towards each other, or generally while out and about)?
Yeah, different perspectives, I guess. We get a decent amount of alcohol-fuelled violence in Australia but for the most part it's pretty safe - so long as you know when and where not to be. Perhaps this can just serve as a reminder to be thankful I live in a pretty friendly and relatively trusting place (in which guns are mostly prohibited).
It's usually safe in the US, but horror stories abound and sometimes they really do happen, and this tends to put people a touch on the paranoid side.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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Does accidentally stabbing someone with a kitchen knife make a kitchen knife a deadly weapon? Or could it perhaps be the intent with which an item is used that determines what it is?
A kitchen knife is designed and intended for preparing food. It becomes a weapon when someone wields it as such. A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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i should move to australia and start my own cartel. we'll be the only citizens with guns and we'll own ur assess.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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It's usually safe in the US, but horror stories abound and sometimes they really do happen, and this tends to put people a touch on the paranoid side.
nothing bad has ever happened to me or any of my loved ones (luckily), yet i still own a gun, used to carry it in my truck when i had to drive to shitty parts of my old city, and kept it on my bedside every night in the event of a break-in. bad shit happens, and if it happens some day to me, i'll have the means at my disposal to hopefully prevent any lasting physical harm from being done to me or anyone else around.
thats the mindset of ALL of the responsible gun owners I know. and thats all but one of them (the one just wanted a cool gun).
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: zZZz]
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zZZz said: it's not a weapon until it is used as one.
Not according to Merriam Webster:
"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
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you have my viewpoints, i have yours. we'll go on our separate ways now.
I'm just saying not everybody who shoots someone has deadly intentions. I wouldn't consider defending your body or property with a gun means you have deadly intentions.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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KGB Is Go said: A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
I own a gun. I take it to the shooting range, and have it in my home for defense.
Is it a weapon?
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zZZz said: i should move to australia and start my own cartel. we'll be the only citizens with guns and we'll own ur assess. 
Please don't.
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zZZz said: it's not a weapon until it is used as one.
Not according to Merriam Webster:
"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
fixed. you sir have contradicted yourself.
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KGB Is Go said: A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
I own a gun. I take it to the shooting range, and have it in my home for defense.
Is it a weapon?
Yes, of course. You have it for the purpose of harming/killing (i.e. defense), and you practice your skills for this reason, I presume.
If you do target practice for fun, then for that time it's not really being used as a weapon. But as soon as it leaves the range and you're no longer using it recreationally, it's a weapon.
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Not according to Merriam Webster:
"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
fixed. you sir have contradicted yourself.
Guns are used to shoot people, targets, and animals. Just because one specific gun hasn't been fired at someone does not mean guns, as a group, aren't weapons.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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KGB Is Go said: Yes, of course. You have it for the purpose of harming/killing (i.e. defense), and you practice your skills for this reason, I presume.
so my knuckles are weapons?, how about my hands?.
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Yeah well I sold a cheap ass electronic stand off craigslist to some creepy old dude. This guy was weird as fuck, touched my shoulder and shit when I was selling the stand to him. A few weeks later I kept getting phone calls from him saying the rack was missing parts. I just ignored it him.
Then one time me and a friend were leaving my apartment and I see him in a different vehicle then before posted in the front of my complex. As soon as he saw me he reclined his seat back and put his hand over his face. ..Then some big ass dude jumped in his car and he sped off.. I reported it but they thought I was crazy saying its not illegal to stake out someones apartment ?!?..
That guy was up to no fucking good..thankfully I caught him and blew his cover.. Not sure how long he was watching me... and I'm guessing he was going to use the big guy to strong arm me.. I almost bought a gun that day..
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Maybe you shouldn't be selling defective furniture as fully functional.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19170992 - 11/21/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: i should move to australia and start my own cartel. we'll be the only citizens with guns and we'll own ur assess. 
Please don't.
Hey, that wasn't me!!!
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KGB Is Go said: A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
I own a gun. I take it to the shooting range, and have it in my home for defense.
Is it a weapon?
Yes, of course. You have it for the purpose of harming/killing (i.e. defense), and you practice your skills for this reason, I presume.
If you do target practice for fun, then for that time it's not really being used as a weapon. But as soon as it leaves the range and you're no longer using it recreationally, it's a weapon.
Then my walking stick is a weapon because it serves a secondary purpose as a "just in case" weapon if necessary. The idea of a weapon is worthless unless someone actually intends to do something with it, until then its just a shiny piece of metal that could be used as a weapon, I would say that self defence is not intent to use something as a weapon but rather a planned reaction to an attack.Quote:
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Not according to Merriam Webster:
"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
fixed. you sir have contradicted yourself.
Guns are used to shoot people, targets, and animals. Just because one specific gun hasn't been fired at someone does not mean guns, as a group, aren't weapons.
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memes said: Its not a deadly weapon until it's in the hands of someone who has deadly intentions.
That is totally false.
What you backed it up with: "something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
If you cannot see the direct contradiction, you cannot read.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19170993 - 11/21/13 04:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guns are used to shoot people, targets, and animals. Just because one specific gun hasn't been fired at someone does not mean guns, as a group, aren't weapons.
it that case everything is a weapon. but i agree that every weapon carries its own level of danger, and yes a gun would be pretty high up there, but it doesn't necessarily make it a bad thing, especially when you live in dangerous places were a bunch of fools, more so than responsible guns owners, carry guns.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: zZZz]
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19171033 - 11/21/13 04:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: Hey, that wasn't me!!!
Haha, sorry mate. I thought I fucked up that quote but on second glance it looked okay. There was just too many nested quotes that I lost track. Fixing now...
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Then my walking stick is a weapon because it serves a secondary purpose as a "just in case" weapon if necessary. The idea of a weapon is worthless unless someone actually intends to do something with it, until then its just a shiny piece of metal that could be used as a weapon, I would say that self defence is not intent to use something as a weapon but rather a planned reaction to an attack.
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zZZz said: so my knuckles are weapons?, how about my hands?.
No. You guys are just being silly now - why are you so intent upon stating that your guns are not weapons. THEY ARE WEAPONS!!
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
#19171065 - 11/21/13 04:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I know I'm kicking a hornets nest but arguing with US Americans is like trying to argue a woman into being a man.
Aus has SFA gun crime I think we had like 30 deaths last year, all illegally owned weapons and all gang related.
Y'all had like 11,000 or something? And not even bad dudes in drug wars, how many more schools need to get shot up before you realise this isn't working out?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
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Mush4Brains said: Maybe you shouldn't be selling defective furniture as fully functional.
It wasn't defective at all. It was actually a really nice stand, I meant cheap as in I sold it to him for a cheap price... fuck-o
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
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andrewmurray86 said: I know I'm kicking a hornets nest but arguing with US Americans is like trying to argue a woman into being a man.
Aus has SFA gun crime I think we had like 30 deaths last year, all illegally owned weapons and all gang related.
Y'all had like 11,000 or something? And not even bad dudes in drug wars, how many more schools need to get shot up before you realise this isn't working out?
Blah blah rights, blah blah constitution, blah blah freedom.
Actually, it all boils down to this: I like to shoot stuff. At the range, in my backyard, wherever... I don't like hunting though; I tried it once.. hit the deer in the abdomen and spent 4 hours tracking the suffering thing down so I could put it out of it's misery.
I like shooting stuff and blowing shit up. That's all. Am I a selfish prick? Absolutely. Never claimed I wasn't.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: memes]
#19171086 - 11/21/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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KGB Is Go said: A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
I own a gun. I take it to the shooting range, and have it in my home for defense.
Is it a weapon?
Yes, it was designed to be used as a weapon so it's a weapon even when it's sitting on a shelf. Same goes for a sword or a nuclear missile. Something designed primarily for some other use (like a kitchen knife or a motor vehicle) is normally only considered a weapon when it's being used to threaten or attack.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: psi]
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My dick is a weapon..
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171107 - 11/21/13 04:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NotTheDevil said: i should move to australia and start my own cartel. we'll be the only citizens with guns and we'll own ur assess. 
Please don't.
Hey, that wasn't me!!!
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KGB Is Go said: A gun serves no other purpose than as an implement to hurt or kill living things (except, of course, if you're using it for recreation - like target shooting - but we aren't talking about that).
I own a gun. I take it to the shooting range, and have it in my home for defense.
Is it a weapon?
Yes, of course. You have it for the purpose of harming/killing (i.e. defense), and you practice your skills for this reason, I presume.
If you do target practice for fun, then for that time it's not really being used as a weapon. But as soon as it leaves the range and you're no longer using it recreationally, it's a weapon.
Then my walking stick is a weapon because it serves a secondary purpose as a "just in case" weapon if necessary. The idea of a weapon is worthless unless someone actually intends to do something with it, until then its just a shiny piece of metal that could be used as a weapon, I would say that self defence is not intent to use something as a weapon but rather a planned reaction to an attack.Quote:
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Not according to Merriam Webster:
"something (such as a gun, knife, club, or bomb) that is used for fighting or attacking someone or for defending yourself when someone is attacking you."
fixed. you sir have contradicted yourself.
Guns are used to shoot people, targets, and animals. Just because one specific gun hasn't been fired at someone does not mean guns, as a group, aren't weapons.
what you said
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That is totally false.
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andrewmurray86 said: I know I'm kicking a hornets nest but arguing with US Americans is like trying to argue a woman into being a man.
Aus has SFA gun crime I think we had like 30 deaths last year, all illegally owned weapons and all gang related.
Y'all had like 11,000 or something? And not even bad dudes in drug wars, how many more schools need to get shot up before you realise this isn't working out?
You think schools don't get shot up where guns are illegal? Oh and nice job comparing only gun crimes for murders, like you guys have way less murders per capita. Oh and in the US, places where guns are illegal to carry have more gun deaths. Oh, but its not people who commit crimes, its guns. 








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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19171112 - 11/21/13 04:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's almost improbable to get a gun in mexico so they get em from north and south
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Konyap]
#19171119 - 11/21/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Was this weirdo a shroomery member?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Schmendrick] 1
#19171125 - 11/21/13 04:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Blah blah rights, blah blah constitution, blah blah freedom.
Actually, it all boils down to this: I like to shoot stuff. At the range, in my backyard, wherever... I don't like hunting though; I tried it once.. hit the deer in the abdomen and spent 4 hours tracking the suffering thing down so I could put it out of it's misery.
I like shooting stuff and blowing shit up. That's all. Am I a selfish prick? Absolutely. Never claimed I wasn't.
That's cool man, I also like doing gear like that. I live in a country where I can't do most of them and have thoroughly enjoyed the times when I have had those opportunities.
Would I enjoy it if those things were legal and free to do? Absolutely! Would it be better? Probably not because of all the nutters out there who could/would take advantage of innocent people n the process.
It's very hard and very regulated to get weapons in this country and I do believe it hurts those who are controlled and have no ill-intent but reality is that there are psychos out there who can't help themselves, bring a gun to a school, shoot the kindergarten class then shoot themselves.
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#19171135 - 11/21/13 04:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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KGB Is Go said: Fucking hell. You guys bring pistols when meeting new people.
I understand it's the internet and all but why not meet at a public place or build some trust first, rather than just rocking up with a lethal weapon. Jesus Christ. This kind of thing is one of the reasons I distance myself from the USA and do not plan to visit any time soon. I'm sure it has some nice places and not everyone is gun-crazy, and all, but this is madness.
If I meet someone, the first thing I'd think of bringing is a gift - not a means to kill the person. Lordy, lordy, lordy.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19171151 - 11/21/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You think schools don't get shot up where guns are illegal? Oh and nice job comparing only gun crimes for murders, like you guys have way less murders per capita. Oh and in the US, places where guns are illegal to carry have more gun deaths. Oh, but its not people who commit crimes, its guns. 









Australia doesn't have schools getting shot up, I also mentioned all the gun crime here is not from legally registered shooters...
11,000 murders with the weapon being a gun? that equates to gun crime = murder?
did you actually read the post?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171155 - 11/21/13 04:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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What you backeQuote:
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Schmendrick said:
Blah blah rights, blah blah constitution, blah blah freedom.
Actually, it all boils down to this: I like to shoot stuff. At the range, in my backyard, wherever... I don't like hunting though; I tried it once.. hit the deer in the abdomen and spent 4 hours tracking the suffering thing down so I could put it out of it's misery.
I like shooting stuff and blowing shit up. That's all. Am I a selfish prick? Absolutely. Never claimed I wasn't.
That's cool man, I also like doing gear like that. I live in a country where I can't do most of them and have thoroughly enjoyed the times when I have had those opportunities.
Would I enjoy it if those things were legal and free to do? Absolutely! Would it be better? Probably not because of all the nutters out there who could/would take advantage of innocent people n the process.
It's very hard and very regulated to get weapons in this country and I do believe it hurts those who are controlled and have no ill-intent but reality is that there are psychos out there who can't help themselves, bring a gun to a school, shoot the kindergarten class then shoot themselves.
The people who are going to use a gun to shoot people, or do crime won't not do so just because guns aren't legal where they live, they'll just buy them on the black market. All gun prohibition does is keep guns out of the hands of honest people and in the hands of criminals.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
#19171156 - 11/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I kinda want to here more about this weirdo and less about guns. Shroomery gun owners tend to get passionate about their firearms -be it for protection or fun- and thir opinions, so this thread could spiral out of control.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Mush4Brains]
#19171158 - 11/21/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Mush4Brains said: Maybe you shouldn't be selling defective furniture as fully functional.
Yeah, dude. This is highly irresponsible. What if he placed his bowling ball on it and it toppled over and landed on his dog, or worse yet, child. Think of the children.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Schmendrick]
#19171160 - 11/21/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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andrewmurray86 said: I know I'm kicking a hornets nest but arguing with US Americans is like trying to argue a woman into being a man.
Aus has SFA gun crime I think we had like 30 deaths last year, all illegally owned weapons and all gang related.
Y'all had like 11,000 or something? And not even bad dudes in drug wars, how many more schools need to get shot up before you realise this isn't working out?
Blah blah rights, blah blah constitution, blah blah freedom.
Actually, it all boils down to this: I like to shoot stuff. At the range, in my backyard, wherever... I don't like hunting though; I tried it once.. hit the deer in the abdomen and spent 4 hours tracking the suffering thing down so I could put it out of it's misery.
I like shooting stuff and blowing shit up. That's all. Am I a selfish prick? Absolutely. Never claimed I wasn't.
Wanna come to my house and blow shit up?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171169 - 11/21/13 04:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you're wondering our rate is 1 murder per 100,000
USA is 4.7 per 100,000
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
#19171188 - 11/21/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The people who are going to use a gun to shoot people, or do crime won't not do so just because guns aren't legal where they live, they'll just buy them on the black market. All gun prohibition does is keep guns out of the hands of honest people and in the hands of criminals.
I don't know of any incidents where a guy knifed a classroom of people the stabbed himself.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171192 - 11/21/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You think schools don't get shot up where guns are illegal? Oh and nice job comparing only gun crimes for murders, like you guys have way less murders per capita. Oh and in the US, places where guns are illegal to carry have more gun deaths. Oh, but its not people who commit crimes, its guns. 









Australia doesn't have schools getting shot up, I also mentioned all the gun crime here is not from legally registered shooters...
11,000 murders with the weapon being a gun? that equates to gun crime = murder?
did you actually read the post?
Yes, you do here's a list
 Also you said "I think we had like 30 deaths last year, all illegally owned weapons and all gang related.
Y'all had like 11,000 or something?"
Kinda implied that we had 11,000 gun deaths. D'you actually read what you wrote
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andrewmurray86 said: If you're wondering our rate is 1 murder per 100,000
USA is 4.7 per 100,000
We have way more gang and drug war related violence which accounts for a large percent of murders
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171205 - 11/21/13 05:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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andrewmurray86 said: If you're wondering our rate is 1 murder per 100,000
USA is 4.7 per 100,000
japan's is 0.2 probably
your point?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171208 - 11/21/13 05:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The people who are going to use a gun to shoot people, or do crime won't not do so just because guns aren't legal where they live, they'll just buy them on the black market. All gun prohibition does is keep guns out of the hands of honest people and in the hands of criminals.
I don't know of any incidents where a guy knifed a classroom of people the stabbed himself.
*then, and here's one that happened in Japan, but he didn't kill himself only 8 students http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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I am not implying that the 11,000 deaths were gun related, it is fact, no implication required. 11,000 people we killed because they were shot by someone else. Interestingly nearly 20,000 died because they shot themselves. That is a whole other argument.
A kid in grade 3 also took a (live??) grenade to school for show and tell here in Newcastle just this year.
But you managed to find 1 incident where people where killed through a school (university) shooting. 1 in the 17 years we have had tough gun control. Even then it doesn't compare to some of the "lighter" incidents that occur in the USA. Would something like Monash even make the news in US these days?
That kinda stuff is outlandish and tragic here, it seems commonplace over there
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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We have way more gang and drug war related violence which accounts for a large percent of murders
You know where they have a lot of gangs? Canada. They have drive by stabbings and people have to get a band aid.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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We have way more gang and drug war related violence which accounts for a large percent of murders
You know where they have a lot of gangs? Canada. They have drive by stabbings and people have to get a band aid.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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We have way more gang and drug war related violence which accounts for a large percent of murders
You know where they have a lot of gangs? Canada. They have drive by stabbings and people have to get a band aid.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
#19171344 - 11/21/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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andrewmurray86 said: I am not implying that the 11,000 deaths were gun related, it is fact, no implication required. 11,000 people we killed because they were shot by someone else. Interestingly nearly 20,000 died because they shot themselves. That is a whole other argument.
A kid in grade 3 also took a (live??) grenade to school for show and tell here in Newcastle just this year.
But you managed to find 1 incident where people where killed through a school (university) shooting. 1 in the 17 years we have had tough gun control. Even then it doesn't compare to some of the "lighter" incidents that occur in the USA. Would something like Monash even make the news in US these days?
That kinda stuff is outlandish and tragic here, it seems commonplace over there 
First you say that the 11000 gun crimes were gun deaths, than you say "11,000 murders with the weapon being a gun? that equates to gun crime = murder?" implying that I mistook gun crimes for murders, then you say that they are deaths, either I'm misreading something in here or you need to make up your mind.
Second, that was three shooting and yes they would make the news. And school shootings are uncommon here too, but a. we're a more populous country, b. we play it up really big in the news, and c. we play it up really big in the news.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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Not the devil, you gotta face the facts. No matter how you look at it, no other economically developed country has anywhere near the problem with guns and violence and murder that the US has.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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koods said: Not the devil, you gotta face the facts. No matter how you look at it, no other economically developed country has anywhere near the problem with guns and violence and murder that the US has.
Guns are a problem here, I admit it... too damned many guns. But we have a bigger problem: extremists, mental illness and hateful douchebags.
It's a bad combo for sure though.
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we has too much reality, the problem is it isn't dealt with appropriately. we aint living no lie though like other countries. or too much of it like 3rd world countries..
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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koods said: Not the devil, you gotta face the facts. No matter how you look at it, no other economically developed country has anywhere near the problem with guns and violence and murder that the US has.
No other country has the combination of drugs laws, gangs, location, and culture to make just the right stew to feed murder rates.
First off drugs are very illegal here well that's not much different from everywhere else, but then we're right on top of the world's biggest suppliers of cocaine and some pretty major heroin sources. As well as plenty of cartel controlled marijuana. These drugs often stay in the hands of violent gangs which fight with each other constantly. Then of course violence is semiglorified here and that helps the nutjobs go a little further. But the guns are already out there and making them illegal won't reduce gun crime in the us, it will only prevent the more honest citizens from having guns while the gangs and cartels keep their already illegal guns.
The only way to drastically lower gun deaths in the us is to legalize drugs.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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I've sworn of arguing guns here, but it seems like Americans will make the most convoluted arguments just so the one obvious common denominator remains blameless.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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koods said: I've sworn of arguing guns here, but it seems like Americans will make the most convoluted arguments just so the one obvious common denominator remains blameless.
I could say the same of other countries. The obvious denominator is the drug war, it is the biggest cause of non-war violence in the world today.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Schmendrick]
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koods said: Not the devil, you gotta face the facts. No matter how you look at it, no other economically developed country has anywhere near the problem with guns and violence and murder that the US has.
Guns are a problem here, I admit it... too damned many guns. But we have a bigger problem: extremists, mental illness and hateful douchebags.
It's a bad combo for sure though.
Mental ilness is the least of it
you're saying 1% of the population is commiting more murders then the 99%
they aren't
maybe one of them will go off, but the majority don't and a greater number self harm. Most are victims of abuse actually, just that when one guy once a year does something and then another type of guy with no distinguishable traits does it, one's front page and the others an after thought of something you read on facebook
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Konyap]
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koods said: Not the devil, you gotta face the facts. No matter how you look at it, no other economically developed country has anywhere near the problem with guns and violence and murder that the US has.
Guns are a problem here, I admit it... too damned many guns. But we have a bigger problem: extremists, mental illness and hateful douchebags.
It's a bad combo for sure though.
Mental ilness is the least of it
you're saying 1% of the population is commiting more murders then the 99%
they aren't
maybe one of them will go off, but the majority don't and a greater number self harm. Most are victims of abuse actually, just that when one guy once a year does something and then another type of guy with no distinguishable traits does it, one's front page and the others an after thought of something you read on facebook
I don't think he meant mental illness like that, more like people who choose to kill people should automatically be classified as mentally ill. I could easily have mistook it though.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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The drug war is being fought in other countries. People think the violence in Mexico spreads over the border. It rarely does. Most counties that border Mexico have lower murder rates than the rest of their state. Mexico pays for the US war on drugs much more than we do.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-07-15-border-violence-main_n.htm
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For this story, USA TODAY studied crime trends along the U.S.-Mexico border, using data reported to the FBI from city and county police agencies in the four border states — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. It found that violent crime rates were on average lower in cities within 30, 50 and 100 miles of the border — the distances used to fit various definitions of the "border region." Statisticians interviewed by USA TODAY confirmed the results. Because the data reported by the local agencies does not include kidnapping, the newspaper also had the FBI review its kidnapping investigations along the border. Among the major findings: •The murder rate for cities within 50 miles of the border was lower in nearly every year from 1998 to 2009, compared with the respective state average. For example, California had its lowest murder rate during that time period in 2009, when 5.3 people were murdered per 100,000 residents. In cities within 50 miles of the border, the highest murder rate over that time period occurred in 2003, when 4.6 people were murdered per 100,000 residents. •The robbery rate for cities within 50 miles of the border was lower each year compared with the state average. In Texas over that time span, the robbery rate ranged from 145 to 173 per 100,000 people in the state, while the robbery rate throughout Texas' border region never rose above 100 per 100,000. •Kidnapping cases investigated by the FBI along the border are on the decline. The bureau's Southwestern offices identified 62 cartel-related kidnapping cases on U.S. soil that involved cartels or illegal immigrants in 2009. That fell to 25 in 2010 and 10 so far in 2011.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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What I mean is mental illness in all it's guises, both diagnosed and undiagnosed. There is a stigma in this country against mental illness. People don't want to be diagnosed as having a mental problem... they want to appear normal, self-actualized and in charge of their lives, and so they avoid even talking about mental problems, let alone actually trying to do something about them.
Too many people here think mental illness is a copout for weak people who just want freebies; and they are pretty vocal about it. If you are genuinely mentally ill here, you are as likely to get ridiculed and told to 'pull yourself out of it' and 'quit being a whiner' as you are to get help.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: zZZz]
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have you sworn off arguing circumcision and zimmerman too?
I wasn't arguing Zimmerman. There is no argument. He's a thug.
I like all dicks. I was just giving the uncut guys a hard time because they are very sensitive about their scary look genitals.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: koods]
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koods said: The drug war is being fought in other countries. People think the violence in Mexico spreads over the border. It rarely does. Most counties that border Mexico have lower murder rates than the rest of their state. Mexico pays for the US war on drugs much more than we do.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-07-15-border-violence-main_n.htm
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For this story, USA TODAY studied crime trends along the U.S.-Mexico border, using data reported to the FBI from city and county police agencies in the four border states — California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. It found that violent crime rates were on average lower in cities within 30, 50 and 100 miles of the border — the distances used to fit various definitions of the "border region." Statisticians interviewed by USA TODAY confirmed the results. Because the data reported by the local agencies does not include kidnapping, the newspaper also had the FBI review its kidnapping investigations along the border. Among the major findings: •The murder rate for cities within 50 miles of the border was lower in nearly every year from 1998 to 2009, compared with the respective state average. For example, California had its lowest murder rate during that time period in 2009, when 5.3 people were murdered per 100,000 residents. In cities within 50 miles of the border, the highest murder rate over that time period occurred in 2003, when 4.6 people were murdered per 100,000 residents. •The robbery rate for cities within 50 miles of the border was lower each year compared with the state average. In Texas over that time span, the robbery rate ranged from 145 to 173 per 100,000 people in the state, while the robbery rate throughout Texas' border region never rose above 100 per 100,000. •Kidnapping cases investigated by the FBI along the border are on the decline. The bureau's Southwestern offices identified 62 cartel-related kidnapping cases on U.S. soil that involved cartels or illegal immigrants in 2009. That fell to 25 in 2010 and 10 so far in 2011.
Oh Mexico definitely has its share of violence, but we get plenty from other sources as well. I believe that if all countries just dropped the drug war the world's non-war murder rate would drop dramatically.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: Schmendrick]
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Schmendrick said: What I mean is mental illness in all it's guises, both diagnosed and undiagnosed. There is a stigma in this country against mental illness. People don't want to be diagnosed as having a mental problem... they want to appear normal, self-actualized and in charge of their lives, and so they avoid even talking about mental problems, let alone actually trying to do something about them.
Too many people here think mental illness is a copout for weak people who just want freebies; and they are pretty vocal about it. If you are genuinely mentally ill here, you are as likely to get ridiculed and told to 'pull yourself out of it' and 'quit being a whiner' as you are to get help.
And so the problem only gets worse.
i agree with you there
my therapist could give a shit if i was mentally ill honestly
he doesn't get why people act like I was ass raped dressing like a little whore
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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First you say that the 11000 gun crimes were gun deaths, than you say "11,000 murders with the weapon being a gun? that equates to gun crime = murder?" implying that I mistook gun crimes for murders, then you say that they are deaths, either I'm misreading something in here or you need to make up your mind.
Second, that was three shooting and yes they would make the news. And school shootings are uncommon here too, but a. we're a more populous country, b. we play it up really big in the news, and c. we play it up really big in the news.
In 2012 there were over 30,000 deaths in the US related to firearms, 11,078 were homicides, the other 19,000 or so were concluded to be suicide. Hope that clears it up for you.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: andrewmurray86]
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there were also 17000 deaths related to people taking illegal drugs...
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: KGB Is Go]
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NotTheDevil said: I understand you not wanting to see someone with a gun, but damn people who aren't from the US are paranoid about guns. "lethal weapon" like there aren't a hundred different lethal weapons in every house.
There's a pretty large difference between being in the vicinity of objects that have the potential to kill, and someone carrying a gun. A gun is a lethal weapon, designed and built to kill, I'm not sure why that's so Damn people from the US are nonchalant about violence and aggression.
You guys are condoning carrying a pistol when meeting new people (and apparently at other times too), and I'm the one who's paranoid???
That is (but at the same time sad).
This was one guy doing this. The vast majority of the people i know wouldn't do this.
And this was a sketchy situation, the internet is full of creeps.
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Why you meeting guys off the internet?
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: zZZz]
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Can someone change this to a "Gun-Laws" thread?
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koods said: I've sworn of arguing guns here,
have you sworn off arguing circumcision and zimmerman too?
I wasn't arguing Zimmerman. There is no argument. He's a thug.
I like all dicks. I was just giving the uncut guys a hard time because they are very sensitive about their scary look genitals.
Now I'm going to the gym. /disxussion
So, do you think uncut cocks look scary or are you just trying to get a rise outta people. What's the general consensus on this cause sure aren't most people uncircumcised?
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First you say that the 11000 gun crimes were gun deaths, than you say "11,000 murders with the weapon being a gun? that equates to gun crime = murder?" implying that I mistook gun crimes for murders, then you say that they are deaths, either I'm misreading something in here or you need to make up your mind.
Second, that was three shooting and yes they would make the news. And school shootings are uncommon here too, but a. we're a more populous country, b. we play it up really big in the news, and c. we play it up really big in the news.
In 2012 there were over 30,000 deaths in the US related to firearms, 11,078 were homicides, the other 19,000 or so were concluded to be suicide. Hope that clears it up for you.
If not check this page out Gun Deaths in USA
The suicides don't really count because people kill themselves in all kinds of different ways, and without guns they would just use a different method. Toting that as a reason that guns are bad is like saying ropes are bad because people hang themselves with them.
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A gun might be a thing, just as a piece of food is a thing, but these things have intended uses and so carry intent and meaning. Rocking up with a gun, as opposed to a piece of fruit or cake, for instance, carries a pretty different meaning and intent.
Why not both? Carrying a gun doesn't mean you're out to hurt someone. I bet Sponge carries his gun in public in general instead of just bringing it to this dude's house. I see nothin wrong with someone carrying a gun on them for protection, if he was flauntin it for the dude to see that would be wrong, but just having in case he needs it doesn't say anything about LS's intentions.
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It's fucking weird to carry a gun around with you. It isn't necessary and if you think it is , there is something seriously wrong with the way you think.
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Did I say necessary? And whether it would be a good idea to have one depends on where you live anyway. You probably haven't been in any situations where you live that would make having a weapon around pretty useful. I don't carry one with me cuz the area I live in now is way safer than where I lived before Although anything could happen anywhere.
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frylock91 said: Did I say necessary? And whether it would be a good idea to have one depends on where you live anyway. You probably haven't been in any situations where you live that would make having a weapon around pretty useful. I don't carry one with me cuz the area I live in now is way safer than where I lived before Although anything could happen anywhere.
I agree, but I would rather wear a bullet proof vest.
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Re: i met some weirdo off the intenet today [Re: NotTheDevil]
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I didn't say the suicides should count... Those were the numbers provided. I'd be interested to know if there is any correlation to increase suicide rate due to availability of firearms. quick easy way out requires much less thought than hanging and other methods than would require much more effort and pain.
Could weed out the people seriously suicidal vs people who just had a bad day.
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you don't just have a bad day and shoot yourself in the face unless you deserve it
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