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OfflinePsilocybeingzz
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is this true????
    #1916952 - 09/15/03 12:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

here is something that went on at another site and I want the truth from you here at the shroomery, and I am going to ask at nansnook to



him: "BRF makes shrooms just as potent as WBS..."

ME: I must in the most humble way possible say


"no fucking way dude"

but I could be wrong

and if I am I will be upset , not cause I am wrong but because I am using wbs now and I have alot of faith in it


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1916980 - 09/15/03 01:08 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)


I never tried WBS but I noticed that Tapalpas grown on BRF were more potents than Equador grown on popcorn.

I can't tell if it's caused by the strain or the substrate.

The whole potency debate is so complex anyway...

The only thing I know is that I can trip really hard with 3g of cubensis grown on BRF.

I will soon try to grow a casing of EQs with a mixed substrate of popcorn and BRF and see if it gives better potency to my EQ.

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Re: is this true???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1916981 - 09/15/03 01:09 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I am reasonably sure that the growing medium does not (cannot) affect the potency of the shrooms.  It can and does affect the quality of your colonization and subsequent fruits - but only insomuch as their health and well being.

Of course, I could be wrong as well :smile:


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Re: is this true???? [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1917002 - 09/15/03 01:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

FUCK


well my shrooms were not as potent as I wanted when I grew on BRF, and I thought that know that I am moving to WBS, they would be alot better

but !!!!!!!, SINCE I WILL BE CASING, will it have more to do with the casing or casing nutes? and I will trick myself and think

HA I was right WBS is better
hmmmmmmmmmm

well at least I know I will get more shrooms, and bigger shrooms

hey Bluemeanie I remember you saying WBS, is MUCH better(did you mean potency) I thought you said the shrooms were more potent, and judging from your other posts you know your shit, I TRUST YOU

whats the deal(I still want anyone to add anything they feel they should but I wa sure Bluemeanie was the Preacher of the WBS church, he inspired me a bit!)


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1917211 - 09/15/03 02:27 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The only way I've ever heard of a medium affecting potency is the case of precursor additives. Most notably, tryptamine HCl can be used as a substrate additive, and since it is a psilocin precursor, can result in mushrooms with about 3x the psilocin.

NOTE: Tryptamine HCL is about $100 per gram from suppliers, and the synthesis is ridiculous, so it's really not worth the trouble.

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Re: is this true???? [Re: Redoc]
    #1917354 - 09/15/03 04:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

one word...............MILLET


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1917369 - 09/15/03 04:47 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's largely about the amount of tryptophan/tryptamine in the substrate.  You can buy pharmaceutical grade tryptophan "for veterinary use" online for about $1 per gram. (do a google search)  You can use this to supplement your substrate, use a little more than you'd use if using tryptamine.

I've posted about this before.  Even if it's not as effective as tryptamine, it will increase potancy and is far less expensive and easier to obtain.  Also, I have some theories about it adding more potency in a pasteurized/bulk substrate.

To more directly answer your question; while I know brf can produce quality fruits I'd bet that WBS is better, but I guess we'll have to wait for the  results.

Good luck :smile:   


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Re: is this true???? [Re: psyphon]
    #1917379 - 09/15/03 04:55 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

well, talking plain nutrients, the plant only obtains carbo-hydrates (is this the english term?) from the substrate. Therefore it shouldnt matter.
I suppose the starin an the growth parameters (lighting, air-exchange, humidity) are more responsibal for variing potencies.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: JazzMatazz]
    #1917393 - 09/15/03 05:12 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Carbohydrates, and growing conditions are important, but so is protein and I'm pretty sure minerals are too. Also, chemical precurors definately play a big role in potency. Read this. Sure they won't grow at all without the proper conditions and nutrients, but they won't be potent without the proper precursors.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: psyphon]
    #1917398 - 09/15/03 05:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

As above...MILLET.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1981934 - 10/05/03 07:52 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

bump!

i'm surprised that there was so little discussion about this.

in my experience, BRF has produced wimpy little mushrooms with inconsistant potency... all of my WBS to poo grows have yeilded kickass mushrooms. i think that substrate does matter.

the strongest mushrooms i ever grew off BRF were still weaker than the weakest ones grown on poo.

i sure know where i stand on this..


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Re: is this true???? [Re: ]
    #1981982 - 10/05/03 08:13 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have not noticed a difference in potency between dung/straw and brf...not sure about millet haven't tried it


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Re: is this true???? [Re: ]
    #1982024 - 10/05/03 08:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have tried poo, straw, millet, brf, many over the years, the potency was all the same. Now if your mind thinks something is better, then it seems so. If I were to come on here and say that adding some lightly sprinkled salvia, etc. to the substrate, then you made it, you would swear it worked better.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Phoogle]
    #1982045 - 10/05/03 08:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

^good point...especially when your talking about pshycadelics because a lot of the trip is what U make it!


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Phoogle]
    #1982078 - 10/05/03 08:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

i think i will jump in here and add my take.

a couple of weeks ago i had great sucess with growing EQ's on brf with the standard PF tek. great colonizing, great pinning, and a nice harvest. then came the letdown, weak trip....

this was tested on 9 people: me and 8 others that i dropped an ounce on. great body buzz and then when it felt like takeoff was on the way. BOOM right back down to baseline over the next half-hour. whole deal lasted about 2 hours or so.

i am not sure why it went that way and don't have enough exp to make a conclusion. i just know that other methods are on the horizon. working with popcorn and also trying casing some brf cakes that i had going before the letdown. also working with a different strain: LY.

will see how this one goes and thats my take on the issue. although a very limited one.



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Re: is this true???? [Re: jumpship]
    #1982491 - 10/05/03 11:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Will we ever know?


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Re: is this true???? [Re: etard]
    #1982694 - 10/06/03 12:57 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I have at the moment six Rye Flour cakes that are colonizing very nicely. The mycelium is more rhyzomorphic than I ever saw on BRF. Also, a lot of people say that using ryegrain makes the mushies more potent. I know it sure made it grow like mad through those six jars.

On another note I am about to start some Quart jars of bird seed and in two of the jars I will be adding some sesame seeds. Sesame seeds are said to have .5% tryptophan in them.

Oh yea, Psyphon , I found a place to get veterinary grade tryptophan for about $.54 per gram. I'm thinking about trying some of that out as well. I have a thread about it in the Advance Cult forrum hoping to get some advanced opinions about the idea.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Ekstaza]
    #1984176 - 10/06/03 05:00 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

If certain grains really do produce more potent shrooms then I'd imagine it's down to some other chemicals they contains rather than tryptophan.. Millet and brown rice are pretty much the same where that's concerned, with rye being a slightly better source. Popcorn's the worst out of all the commonly used grains.
Quinoa's got something like 10x as much tryptophan as millet, so you'd think it would be widely used by now if it produced noticably stronger shrooms.
Hopefully the 'Multi Substrate Test' over in the Advanced forum will shed some light on how much different substrates affect potency.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: Sorted]
    #1984408 - 10/06/03 06:39 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

One thing I have found, of which there can be no doubt:-

More mushies are more potent!

There are so many things that affect the strength of a trip, stomach contents, mood, company, blood suger, available serotonin in the brain. choice of music, time of the month.. etc.. etc.

Different species willhave different potentcy but they will also have a different mix of chemicals, its like saying lemons are more potent that oranges, although I have never met a psychoactive lemon.


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Re: is this true???? [Re: psilomonkey]
    #1985446 - 10/07/03 12:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

but I think we can all agree that psychoactive lemons would kickass. One happenin' lemonade stand for sure.


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