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DISREGARD THIS STUPID USER Another OvenTEK Thread
    #19169273 - 11/21/13 10:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well well, it has been a. While since I have actually posted on Shroomery, though I am always reading. Good to be back :smile:

Anyway, yes, this is another OvenTEK thread. I don't care about all those that claim this is a bullshit technique, I have been using it to GREAT success.

Recently I used it for grain to grain transfers. Turned the oven on broil with a shelf as low as it can go inside the oven. I had a large jar mostly taken over by the good mycelium and another half pint half packed with mycelium. I proceeded to transfer these to 12 pint jars, going one by one, transferring on the low shelf inside the oven itself, not pulling out the shelf for better access but doing it fully inside. My fingers got toasty needless to say.

Afterwards they we're put in my incubator. Within one day I notice spreading. Within three the good mycelium really took hold. Now, a week and a half later, all those 12 jars are nearly fully colonized and none have a single contaminant.

This isn't he first time I have used the OvenTEK. I also use it to inoculate via syringes.

Just a heads up, it all works for me :smile:


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: cycy]
    #19169367 - 11/21/13 10:44 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

That's all fine, but if you really want to test it, do 12 open air g2g transfers so you have a control. An experiment can't be verified without a standard to compare to.


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: cycy]
    #19169372 - 11/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:smbfacepalm:

build a fucking SAB. It's a 10 or less dollar tote with arm holes in it. Works better, no burnt fingers. This is just a overall bad idea.

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Anyway, yes, this is another OvenTEK thread. I don't care about all those that claim this is a bullshit technique, I have been using it to GREAT success.



Some people cheat with great success. who cares what you get away with. It's bad advice and bad procedure regardless.

I sincerely hope no one tries this.


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19169405 - 11/21/13 10:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Very very true. 10$ isn't much. Why the hell not build a SAB? Oh ya! Cuz i can do it for free in my oven. Easy peasy. Now lets see how many more people get offended by someone using the OvenTEK that works!


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: cycy]
    #19169490 - 11/21/13 11:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cycy said:
Now lets see how many more people get offended by someone using the OvenTEK that works!




nobody is offended, it's just that you have not proved that it works.

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Sgt. Pepper said:
That's all fine, but if you really want to test it, do 12 open air g2g transfers so you have a control. An experiment can't be verified without a standard to compare to.




this.
the one time i tested out open air g2g i also had 100% success


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: awakendone]
    #19169525 - 11/21/13 11:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am only referring to the offended that seem to get so worked up over little stuff like this.

I have also tried open air inoculation AND open air g2g with varying success. And There is no doubt a box is an optimum way of getting things done, but I have also gotten contaminants in those as well (though this could have been my fault completely, not entirely cleansing the inside well enough).

Not saying the oven is fail safe, but no technique is a wrong technique in my eye. Just different versions of the same thing, with a higher success rate than others. Just simply giving out a piece of information that has been working for me and I will be the first on here to tell all you when I fail miserably :smile: which will prolly happen

Goddess bless

PS I love this site and all the people that help others :smile: though it is also the downfall of hunting.


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: awakendone]
    #19169531 - 11/21/13 11:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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cycy said:
Very very true. 10$ isn't much. Why the hell not build a SAB? Oh ya! Cuz i can do it for free in my oven. Easy peasy. Now lets see how many more people get offended by someone using the OvenTEK that works!





what works for you might not work for others, this is bad advice all around and outdated.


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: twistedty]
    #19169558 - 11/21/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Ya you're prolly right


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: cycy]
    #19169572 - 11/21/13 11:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya you're prolly right




dont mean to bust your balls, i do things that arent condoned also and it works for me fine, but im not gonna spread the word about it you know?


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: twistedty]
    #19170258 - 11/21/13 02:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

People do open air inoculations and have success.  Probability is fickle like that.  You could inoculate outside in blowing wind theoretically and have a jar or 2 come out okay.  However, mycology is about maximizing your chances of success based on controlling as many variables as possible and minimizing the impacts of others. 

It is science that as air heats, it expands upwards.  It is then replaced by cooler air that gets heated and repeats the same process.  Therefore, you are INCREASING the amount of contams that your jars are exposed to by increasing the air flow. 

Think about how water boils.  At the water gets hot, it comes to the top and bubbles.  Some of the thermal energy is released in steam, the water is cooled and returns to the bottom and the process repeats.  If the junk science that the oventek is based on were true, and constant expansion of heat kept contams away, then the water when it boiled would turn completely to steam immediately and the entire pot would be dry in seconds.  The fact that there's two seperate pressures and therefore, temperatures at work in boiling (Ambient air vs boiling water) means there will be a constant vacuum created in the boiling of water by physical law of pressures needing to reach a state of homeostasis. 

The same works with an oven.  The fact that the ambient air in the house is denser due to a cooler temp will fill the vacuum created by the expansion of air into the denser space and the need of pressures to stabalize.  Therefore, you increase the amount of air, and therefore contams your project is exposed to. 

The fact that its hot air is of no consequence either.  First, if the air was hot enough to sanitize or sterilize, it would be to hot to work in.  Second, at temps short of fire, microbials have to be exposed to high temps for prolonged periods to achieve sterilization or sanitation.  Such as autoclaving at petri dish at 240F for 15 minutes.  Momentary exposure to anything short of fire will do nothing.

The oventek started on junk science.  Leave it in the junkyard.


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: 2bittoker]
    #19170275 - 11/21/13 02:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The fact is, unless you are working in a sterile air flow(Laminar Flow Hood), still air(SAB) is the next best thing.

Not open air, not in an oven, not on a counter using a bunsen burner.....still air.

There are millions of contams blowing around in an oven at any particular time....why on earth would anyone want to work in that?


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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: PussyFart]
    #19170306 - 11/21/13 02:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not offended I just don't want people to develop bad habits because some hack came here and try to pass of this bullshit as a valid way to do things. We have things like trusted cultivator tags but there's not enough of them to flood out all this BS so inevitably some noob is going to try this and you probably just wasted all their time. Thanks a lot that's quite a dick move if I do say so.



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Re: Another OvenTEK Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
    #19170472 - 11/21/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

oven tek is only possible in arctic or cold areas.
those in the tropics, much prefer the freezer tek.


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