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Mans search for meaning. * 3
    #19169063 - 11/21/13 09:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence.  Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns. 

Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?


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"Don't believe everything you think". -Anom.

" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169102 - 11/21/13 09:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

this is why we have logic and rational thought processes to be able to speculate and provide plenty of logical evidence behind the speculation.



also one perception of what could be considered evidence may not be accounted for in another's or the same physical evidence may have many different perceptions and opinions as to what it is actually evidence of.


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: hTx]
    #19169133 - 11/21/13 09:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

unknowns must exist to keep things interesting to give up on an idea because it had to many unknowns should never happen or else how would the unknown become known?  and knowns lead to further unknowns and the unraveling of what was previously considered as known to be false.

its the mystery which drives the question and the question is always advantegous to the answer.

know what I mean?


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: hTx]
    #19169185 - 11/21/13 09:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't think of it as a game,
it is more the process of being lost and getting back home.

if meaning is resonance, such that one gets a sense of accord or harmony between what is expected (known already) and what is experienced or discovered, then one feels at home with the new experience, one feels that it is meaningful - it can be incorporated or has already been embraced.
i.e. there is resonance, matching, accord, and a kind of joy of familiarity.

It is great when new stuff has meaning, or connects resonantly with what you already know.

when there is no resonance one feels lost or at a loss as if looking for a way home. it is a very vulnerable exposure.

as we project our ideas onto a question, attempting to fit our home-world-view onto it, it becomes threatening to others who are not at home with those ideas.

the forum then becomes a territorial negotiation field with various attempts to evict invaders or polluters, or to repackage fixtures (ideas) so they go better with the decor.

when the meaning is sufficiently hammered it fits anywhere but may not be the same as it once was.

I see it more a matter of territoriality, management, hospitality and discovery than a game.


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169205 - 11/21/13 09:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

We seem to enjoy our endlessly looping competitions. Some will retire, others will take their place.

All our animal inheritance is dressed up in the current intellectual motions. Dominance by arguement, outbursts, and evidence. Whatever metric wins the day.

A body of verifiable knowledge has grown, it's establishment inspired by the desire to understand. Who knows how far back we can push the veil of the unknowable? I suspect that as long as the cloud of mystery is there we'll fire our speculations off into it.

If meaning happens to be revealed along the way, maybe we'll stop, unless we're meant not to.

Did you see the recent professional sports game? That was quite an exciting battle.

When we don't understand ourselves completely we can't comprehend the other either. Our competitions push the limits of insight into the other within some scope.


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169215 - 11/21/13 10:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't know nothin'. :cookiemonster:


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169268 - 11/21/13 10:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence.  Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns. 

Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?




Maybe when we experience that abiding in the unknown is extremely blissfull, peaceful & full of a kind of non-dual knowingness, we won't want to play mental games anymore


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Rahz]
    #19169277 - 11/21/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: hTx] * 1
    #19169366 - 11/21/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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also one perception of what could be considered evidence may not be accounted for in another's or the same physical evidence may have many different perceptions and opinions as to what it is actually evidence of.




Yeah I agree with your whole post.  But usually, maybe due to age,  I know when a question I'm asking is going to be able to be answered.  I may use logic of sorts in my reasoning behind my best guess but in the end some part of me at least is going to be very invested in that guess. Although with age, and thanks to posting here in depth, I usually realize I'm just entertaining myself rather than coming to any final conclusion on just about every subject here.

In "fact":lol:  my overall conclusions now are tempered by my realization that I really don't know anything for sure.


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169370 - 11/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but do you find meaning in it?
is it meaningful to you?


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Chronic7]
    #19169371 - 11/21/13 10:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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The Chronic said:
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Icelander said:
Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence.  Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns. 

Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?




Maybe when we experience that abiding in the unknown is extremely blissfull, peaceful & full of a kind of non-dual knowingness, we won't want to play mental games anymore




Sure sounds nice but not really when I think on it.  One would become really bored with continued bliss possibly.  Maybe we really crave drama.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: hTx]
    #19169380 - 11/21/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

hTx said:
unknowns must exist to keep things interesting to give up on an idea because it had to many unknowns should never happen or else how would the unknown become known?  and knowns lead to further unknowns and the unraveling of what was previously considered as known to be false.

its the mystery which drives the question and the question is always advantegous to the answer.

know what I mean?



:thumbup:

Sometimes though I wish I could put my mind on break time and just completely not give a shit about anything.


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

With much wisdom comes much sorrow,
The more knowledge, the more grief.
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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Rahz]
    #19169381 - 11/21/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I don't know nothin'. :cookiemonster:



:thumbup:  So why are you posting?


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169384 - 11/21/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

In the end; the existance is a compilation of the random and unimaginable... to make any sence of it at all.... now that is insanity...


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169388 - 11/21/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah the great relief of bliss wouldn't be as sweet without suffering a bit of dramatics first


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icyus]
    #19169391 - 11/21/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you sure? :nicesmile:


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169409 - 11/21/13 10:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence.  Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns. 

Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?




probably not until we die. :yawn:


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: Icelander]
    #19169514 - 11/21/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
Seems to me that a majority of discussions here center around things for which no sure conclusions can be drawn due to lack of physical evidence.  Yet the opinions can get fierce and battle lines drawn and no one willing to conceed that it answers are unknowns. 

Does anyone here think there will actually come a time when we don't play this game?




we have two different things, the fact and the mean

the fact, is what freedom is not what you think

conversations are freedom objectively, that is why it is like nothing

freedom is totally else to reality, so it is impossible for discussions to be positive

I am sure you had noticed that from yourself before, how the more you agree with another the more you don't want to discuss with him, you run out of points..

but the fact, is what freedom cannot be real

this is why existence matters a lot, it is about something else, true individualities..where realities are the priorities of conscious moves and free supports

what is funny, is what everyone shout on forums how everything is nothing, to feel free in that space, and dream about being able to not care about anything in real life

realities so end of means are about true superiority, this is why when freedom speculate on issues, it cant but mean to get the last mean, to conclude

true superiority is of course truth value, which is always objective positive end of rights

the idea, if all is clear, since true as nothing missing, so all is real present, then positive truth would show being about else rights, like something positive that you cannot know or you cannot been doing, would be clearly present positive reason

else is a fundamental factor of truth value, in all ways and means

else is not meant as a lover possibility nor a living potential ... at all

else is only the total different absolutely, again which proves the truth being infinitely true, because such fact exist, else exist the most

else is never being opposite, this is the way of evil and powers which is the same

else is total different while totally the same in free conception ways.. this what proves the truth being positive existence

existence is not for personal paths and dreams.. existence is an objective value of things first then of issues realities that do exist
existence is for truth value which is infinite superiority so objective rights life forever in positive constant terms

like else is reality to freedom always, while in truth they are the same

only else is the same, because only truth exist

two individualities of same kind cant be one ever

someone can only with else be one

through the way of superiority, so absolute positive ends comparaisons being of one superior sense the same

surely from what else is always free, so the confusion is only at a high level of freedom which exist then more truly

truth is freedom, since any clarity like all is there so what is left is that realization so not nothing but positive value of clarity so freedom

any is free for sure and freedom is first because truth value is always, only its actualization makes it more real, but truth is infinite

so freedom is not itself a value, which is proven in our existence

that is why free existence is about rights only

and actually to me, rights are all to freedom rights when truth value is all rights existence

to answer your question, I would say how for me it should not matter to not fight when what matter is the truth

it is easy to stay polite and please another and make up what could look as right points..but when they are not true, how wrong will it be to take them seriously.. for existence rights sake

it is true that we all ignore what is going to happen after we die.. but I don't know why do you care so much about everything ? me I care about truth value which led me to rights sense .. as truth is not a space nor one nor ever anything and of course never nothing ... it is a certain value that any present even for a very limited thing, can find an interest in knowing truth value

but I don't get why do you care what will happen to humanity ? or the universe ? that interest in everything is crazy, like too obviously showing how everyone is evil, because of powers of course ruling everyone..that even the limited conscious being in mortal condition is constantly asking about powerful entities life to give meaning to himself being.. while if someone is dealing with reality honestly according to his present concerns.. everyone and even everything force points him as a garbage body that worse wills should abuse openly, like no one else would regret it, because he is truly himself reality...

it shows how inferior realms are the only existence

to me it is impossible when I know what existence is only truth value ends positively

so such existence seeking to reach complexity to mean everything before being ..while spiting on simplicity and clarity.. is hundredpercent opposed to truth value willingly..


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: absols]
    #19169563 - 11/21/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Rahz said:
I don't know nothin'. :cookiemonster:



:thumbup:  So why are you posting?




Just being friendly.


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Re: Mans search for meaning. [Re: absols]
    #19169636 - 11/21/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

everything can be viewed from many different angles


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