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Enough is ENOUGH
    #19169040 - 11/21/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You go Harry, NUKE'M!


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54] * 3
    #19169045 - 11/21/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You go Harry, NUKE'M!





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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19169047 - 11/21/13 08:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19169057 - 11/21/13 08:59 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You go Harry, NUKE'M!




If he had the votes he'd have already done so.

Plus, it'd bite him on the ass after the 2014 elections.

The polls alone should be enough to make him think twice.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19169473 - 11/21/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So, I clearly "misunderestimated" Feckless Harry's stupidity and shortsightedness.

Looks like he read the polls and realized this may be his last chance to pack the courts.

The wailing will be sweet come the 2014 elections.


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You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for that my dear friend is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. ~ Adrian Rogers


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #19169857 - 11/21/13 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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You go Harry, NUKE'M!




If he had the votes he'd have already done so.

Plus, it'd bite him on the ass after the 2014 elections.

The polls alone should be enough to make him think twice.




Apparently he HAD the votes and there's no need to think about it.

Pubs have broken the word on the filibuster to many times and have nuked the works for the past 5 years, enough is Enough.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #19170576 - 11/21/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Favorite footwear preferred by Democrats >>  flip-flops

Just a few years ago Ole Harry said the filibuster is an integral part of our system. But Demokkkrats do whatever they think might help them at the time. All these left wingers were in support of keeping the filibuster while they were the minority. My how they change.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: B_BOY]
    #19170683 - 11/21/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

And then the republicants doubled the number of filibuster



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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54] * 2
    #19170708 - 11/21/13 03:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Come on now Kevin.. Do you ever think for yourself? Or do you seriously just repeat what the left says without even thinking? Hypocrisy has made the lefts poll numbers drop like a rock lately. But I am sure you would say that isn't true either huh? I do get a kick out of the phrases and info you post, as most of it is word for word what some lefty on tv said that day.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: B_BOY]
    #19171589 - 11/21/13 06:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Polls only mean something to the media. There is NO poll this far out from any election that means squat. Americans have short memories.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54] * 1
    #19171692 - 11/21/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Polls only mean something to the media. There is NO poll this far out from any election that means squat. Americans have short memories.




Yeah, dude I don't know about this. You know how Bush poisoned his party in the subsequent elections. This is worse, much worse. Obama managed to tank in approval rating despite being mostly defended by the mainstream media. All the scandals, the blatant lies- hey if you like your insurance, you can keep it. Uh, I mean, if you like your insurance and the policy didn't change- then you can keep it. Um, I mean, if WE like your insurance, you can keep it.

Yeah, no, this is a last gasp and desperate attempt to remain relevant. Harry Reid is many things, but he isn't stupid.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: B_BOY]
    #19171802 - 11/21/13 06:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Come on now Kevin..




He's a Kevin too?


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19172022 - 11/21/13 07:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Here's something for you

There are:

390 seating Fed Judges appointed by republicants presidents

390 seating Fed Judges appointed by dem presidents

93 vacant Fed Judge positions and they are going to be filled with Obama's picks just because Mitch wanted to play games with the latest three judge nominees.

Republicants want to play games and hold up nominees for a year or more and then have them unanimously confirmed. The Bullshit stopped today.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19172419 - 11/21/13 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Unanimously?  Do you know anything about the US government?


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19172429 - 11/21/13 08:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

A couple things which is more then most.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19172524 - 11/21/13 08:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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A couple things which is more then most.



This is true.  Sad, but true nonetheless.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19175452 - 11/22/13 04:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Richard Gary Taranto nominated Nov'11 to the Fed Circuit Court of  Appeals. Republican'ts declare he needs a SUPERMAJORITY  to be confirmed. On 15 MARCH 2013 he is confirmed 91-0

Judge Robert Bacharach nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit, who previously served as a U.S. magistrate judge on the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma, waited 263 days for a Senate floor vote. Finally the Senate confirmed Bacharach’s nomination by a vote of 93-0.


REPUBLICAN'T OBSTRUCTIONISM.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19175547 - 11/22/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19175971 - 11/22/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Richard Gary Taranto nominated Nov'11 to the Fed Circuit Court of  Appeals. Republican'ts declare he needs a SUPERMAJORITY  to be confirmed. On 15 MARCH 2013 he is confirmed 91-0

Judge Robert Bacharach nominated to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit, who previously served as a U.S. magistrate judge on the U.S. District Court for the Western District of Oklahoma, waited 263 days for a Senate floor vote. Finally the Senate confirmed Bacharach’s nomination by a vote of 93-0.


REPUBLICAN'T OBSTRUCTIONISM.




Yeah, so?  It looks like the Republicans didn't obstruct shit.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: zappaisgod]
    #19176230 - 11/22/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, so?  It looks like the Republicans didn't obstruct shit.




THEY WHAT THE F#CK DO YOU CALL IT?



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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19176256 - 11/22/13 07:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

What does that have to do with establishing this contention.

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Republicants want to play games and hold up nominees for a year or more and then have them unanimously confirmed.




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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: setb]
    #19176271 - 11/22/13 07:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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And I say again

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And then the republicants doubled the number of filibuster






The republican'ts have clearly demonstrated that they do not want anything to do with the Black man in the White House and will go to any lengths to stop anything he wants.

NUKE'M HARRY AND NUKE'M HARD!


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: zappaisgod] * 1
    #19176294 - 11/22/13 07:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I just don't think this guy understands that the senate was designed to produce gridlock. The senate acts as a check to the power of the executive.

Well, not anymore I guess. I suppose the OP is ok with this because it is "his" party that is making this unprecedented power grab. Little does the op realize that the leadership of "his" party doesn't give a flying bleep about people like him. Such is the folly of the two party system, it has degenerated into something like a good damn sports rivalry. George Washington was right. We are screwed.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: setb] * 2
    #19176302 - 11/22/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh boy, graphs without any kind of backing and accusations of racism *yawn*.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: setb] * 2
    #19176497 - 11/22/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Obama was rated the most liberal Senator.  Republicans were elected to stop him.  Opposing Obama is their electoral duty to their constituents and his race is a smoke screen for assholes who cannot come to grips with the liberal cunt's grotesque incompetence.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: sweeper54]
    #19176669 - 11/22/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, so?  It looks like the Republicans didn't obstruct shit.




THEY WHAT THE F#CK DO YOU CALL IT?







I call it tryting to Vet out asshats that are getting appointed to judgeships not because they are necessarily good and fair judges but because they are political hacks who tow the party line.  Both sides do it.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19176848 - 11/22/13 10:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The real problem is the lifetime tenure for district court judges.  I understand the logic for the SCOTUS, but I definitely don't for trial judges.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: Enlil]
    #19176911 - 11/22/13 11:13 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The real problem is the lifetime tenure for district court judges.  I understand the logic for the SCOTUS, but I definitely don't for trial judges.



  Whats the difference between a 'trial judge' as opposed to another kind of judge? :confused:


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    #19176924 - 11/22/13 11:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

District judges are trial judges.  In the federal system, a district court is a trial level court...basically, the nuts and bolts court where shit gets done.  Lawsuits are filed there.  Trials happen there.  Criminal cases are brought there, etc.  Above the district courts are the Circuit Courts of Appeal.  There are 13 circuit courts and they hear appeals from the district courts in that circuit's geographic region.  Circuit courts are appellate courts.  They don't hold trials.  They only hear appeals.  Above the circuit courts is the SCOTUS...you already know about that court.  It also doesn't hold trials (except in exceptional cases)...it is an appellate court as well.

The reason the SCOTUS has lifetime tenure is so that the judges don't have to worry about the popularity of their decisions when rendering opinions about our Constitution(which is specifically designed NOT to be easily changed)

Trial courts, on the other hand, don't make binding precedent, so there's no need for them to have that amount of judicial independence. They SHOULD be more accountable to the people.


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: Enlil]
    #19177181 - 11/23/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

i thought a decision by any court could become a precendent? 


Also, so if a case is heard in an appelate court, and they say 'well, this guy was convicted wrongly because they used tainted evidence' or something like that, what happens then?  Say if they overturn the conviction, does the lower court try him again?


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Re: Enough is ENOUGH [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19177243 - 11/23/13 12:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Possibly.  The appellate court could just dismiss the case outright, or they could alter the judgment, depending on the circumstances.

And no, a trial court's decision isn't precedential over any other court.  The only precedential effect is has is under the "law of the case doctrine" wherein a court's decision is binding on that same court for future decisions in that same case.

Even a circuit court of appeals decision is only binding on courts in that circuit.  It isn't even binding on state courts unless it is based on federal law or the constitution.


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