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The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross
#19169000 - 11/21/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross (subtitled "A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity Within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East") is a 1970 book about the linguistics of early Christianity and fertility cults in the Ancient Near East. It was written by John Marco Allegro (1923–1988)."
"The book relates the development of language to the development of myths, religions, and cultic practices in world cultures. Allegro believed he could prove, through etymology, that the roots of Christianity, as of many other religions, lay in fertility cults, and that cult practices, such as ingesting visionary plants (or "psychedelics") to perceive the mind of God, persisted into the early Christian era, and to some unspecified extent into the 13th century with reoccurrences in the 18th century and mid-20th century, as he interprets the Plaincourault chapel's fresco to be an accurate depiction of the ritual ingestion of Amanita muscaria as the Eucharist. Allegro argued that Jesus never existed and was a mythological creation of early Christians under the influence of psychoactive mushroom extracts such as psilocybin.[1]
His claims have often been subject to ridicule and scorn due to Allegro's unconventional theory. As Time magazine put it in an article headed "Jesus as mushroom",
Recent studies of Allegro's work have given new supporting linguistic evidence and led to calls for his theories to be re-evaluated by the mainstream.[8][9] In November 2009 The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross was reprinted in a 40th anniversary edition with 30-page addendum by Prof. Carl A. P. Ruck of Boston University.[10] A far more articulate exposition of Allegro's insights into early Christianity and his discoveries studying the Dead Sea Scrolls was published in his 1979 book The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Christian Myth.
The work of Allegro also gained recognition and consideration by such late proponents of experiential psychedelia through pharmacological interaction as Terrence McKenna, who cited Allegro's claims of certain psychoactive fungi analogizing the Eucharist, spoken in a live lecture in the 1990s. "
So a well qualified, highly serious religious and linguistic scholar concludes that christianity is a mutation of what was originally a cult based on the ingestion and veneration of psychedelic mushrooms, specifically the red and white Amanita Muscaria.

What makes this theory particularly interesting is that the holiday of Christmas, originally to celebrate the birth of Christ, has since become about a figure named Santa Clause, red and white stocking hung by the fire, christmas trees and reindeer.
The interesting thing is that this new christmas is all about Amanita Muscaria as well. First of all, the Amanita is red and white, the same colors the Santa Clause wears. Amanita Mushrooms grow only at the base of christmas trees (just as we put red colored christmas presents under the christmas tree). In the traditional culture, they would collect these mushrooms and hang them in front of the fire to dry (just like we hang red and white stockings in front of the fire on christmas). Furthermore reindeer love to drink the urine of Amanita Shamans in order to get high on the drug. So the red and white santa, the presents under the tree, the red and white stockings hanging in front of the fire, Santas reindeer... all of it relates to Amanita Muscaria.
So not only original christianity, but also the secular santa clause christmas, may actually have their roots in Amanita Muscaria shamanism.
Listen to this great explanation of it all by Joe Rogan:
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Edited by Moonshoe (11/21/13 10:45 AM)
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19169052 - 11/21/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm convinced that Christianity did not spring out of whole cloth with the christians. They likely took a martyr and attached ancient myths to his life. Not that unusual . And if it originally sprang up around the mushrooms then that wouldn't surprise me either. I would be interesting though,
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Icelander]
#19169110 - 11/21/13 09:18 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19169612 - 11/21/13 11:42 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gnostic Media is happy to present this exclusive video of John Marco Allegro in an interview with Van Kooten & De Bie. Recorded for and broadcast on Dutch TV in December 1976, this is the only available video of Allegro -- the Dead Sea Scrolls scholar and author of 13 books, including The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19175206 - 11/22/13 03:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, actually, from what I've come across, Santa (known as St. Nicholas at the time) used to be depicted green...
Red and white came as a result of Coca-Cola's marketing during the great depression and he has been known to be red and white ever since.
So, yeah.
That still doesn't take ceremonial ingestion of psychedelic mushrooms out of the picture. But if it were true, as much could only be said about early christian cults. The roman made it into something else entirely when they decided it was alright to be christian (for "some reason").
Concerning jesus- i think wether he existed or not and what he truly was historically is irrelevant now. It's an idea that the people worship. To them, he is, was and will be as real as you and I are.
Whatever christianity was or was meant to be, it has, in their own terms, grown twisted. Mentally scarring people with guilt, coercing them into believing with threats of eternal damnation and taking a position as moral authority.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19176906 - 11/22/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself, or he was at least an amanita muscaria 'shaman/healer'. Amanita muscaria is the Holy Grail. A full grown amanita is the exact shape of the Holy Grail; it's a cup/chalice. It takes you into a gold dimension which is why the Holy Grail is portrayed as gold. Btw, I'm not even a Christian.

My experiences with amanita muscaria and Christian symbolism: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/13282458#13282458 The same trip report on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=87567
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Space Elf]
#19176980 - 11/22/13 11:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Awesome thanks for contributing the pictures!
Joe Rogan stated that the thing about Coca Cola being responsible for the Red and White colors is untrue, but I don't know if he is right or not.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Space Elf]
#19177005 - 11/22/13 11:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself
You do realize that certainty is not evidence, don't you?
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself
You do realize that certainty is not evidence, don't you?
Evidence leads to certainty, but certainty is not evidence?
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself
You do realize that certainty is not evidence, don't you?
Yeah, that's why everyone should take a breakthrough dose of amanita muscaria and make up their own minds. That's what ultimately convinced me. Subjective experiences must be experienced subjectively by the skeptics to see where I'm coming from. If they choose not to, I don't care. The people who would benefit most from this information are the people who have the willingness to take some amanitas and see for themselves. I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything, based on my subjective experiences. I would just like more people to experience them first-hand.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Space Elf]
#19177163 - 11/23/13 12:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would be interested to try amanitas... Very interested. I'm going to become a devout amanita Christian .
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19177207 - 11/23/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hehe, you should! If you ever find some wild-growing amanita muscaria, send me a PM, and I'll tell you my secret on how to prepare a potent concoction of pure muscimol tea! It's guaranteed to push you over to the other side!
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Space Elf]
#19177400 - 11/23/13 01:38 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, that's why everyone should take a breakthrough dose of amanita muscaria and make up their own minds. That's what ultimately convinced me. Subjective experiences must be experienced subjectively by the skeptics to see where I'm coming from. If they choose not to, I don't care.
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when i trip i feel like i have all this universal information channeling through me and that i know the answers to all... then again maybe i was just trippin balls
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: flipsidetrue]
#19177836 - 11/23/13 06:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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this is disgusting what you mean here with the thread
it is incredible how people are living now by inventing how to abuse anything for the life of their gods, or a freak jesus over truth
santa claus may have a relation with Christianity but not drugs
santa is satan being jesus means to bring to the monster god new fresh blood, children as slaves to give god themselves by their own freedom
it is too much when what force negative on all is seeking to get how freedom out of negative must give something positive to, so it can keep forcing negative more still on all
drugs of nature is to another slavery, programmed earth from billions years, but nature has no relation with god nor his religions and never about jesus nor Christianity nor Satanism which is all to god stories, in abusing animals life
it is too disgusting how such horrifying means of cross and Christianity, is willing to appear now as the coolest thing can be
through the most retarded mind convinced that he can be over all people intelligence, the fancy that all Christians or religious seek to prove as if he can give them that drug
religious people and especially Christianity are through alcohol only
like water becoming his blood when added to some wine this is the maximum you can get in seeing jesus through drugs
anyway, machiavelli's and the insistence to fool everyone need maximum sobriety to be done you cant pretend being over another as an object, if you are not one freedom really, so still the one you are in truth, so nothing but your mind and when you can be over many other freedoms as different objects..it says how evil has nothing to do with drugs
also why people who take drugs are not necessarily as evil as nature who enjoy but from powerful intelligent entities to turn freedom rights as inferior things to die
but what is the most disgusting is the belief that by saying this, Christianity would gain some people or that by forcing anything to say it proves the powers of jesus over the world
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19177878 - 11/23/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself
You do realize that certainty is not evidence, don't you?
Evidence leads to certainty, but certainty is not evidence?
the issue is what freedom cannot be created while it is the truth so first
so what is certain cannot be an objective evidence
which is an open gate to abuse, when certainty are the most still and known
evidence is to object fact which can even realize its fact by being free relatively too
so the issue is what objects are evidence that evolve while freedom which are more then evidence certainties of always and eternal present powers in force, cannot be touched but through abusing that fact, making the worse to freedom facts rights as if it is nothing
if I want to improvise a logical end or explanation as usual, I would say
how that fact shows that superiority truth over an object is freedom truth, so freedom cannot be better then what it is ever, that is why it cant be created nor cant be an evidence to compare
so the end would be about proving lies that lead to liars, which is meant to be confirmed in certain way known already, that is why the sense is getting back to truth freedom that destroy all liars powers on existence, and how any true free will or mean is in truth same value which is certain value for sure its fact, and its fact realizations which should be ensured being its things alone, selves rights when objectively being from what they did to be through clearly independently right
what is already known, is what another freedom to oneself freedom is like totally else so what they fact object would mean that a freedom can hit or treat another freedom as a thing
but what is known, is what it is impossible, when it is true freedoms so what even though freedom cant be realized, but true freedoms are limited by freedom truth known, the positive sense and also the identity sense turned to life through others presence
so freedom like those dirty means of god men, to possess others minds and force their bodies reactions, is not true freedom at all, so evil because freedom pretenses through powers over everything existence
when that would be seen by going back to freedom truth dimension, then separation between living and evil is gonna be clear, then for sure all that dirty order will disappear
freedom is first and everyone knows that, it cant be treated that way, freedom is first because all what matter alone, how freedom is not respected at all, tortures on conscious beings in the name of god, those pleasures to abuse what another is not you so you can keep inventing anything to do on him n with, it cant be eternal for sure there would be a radical end
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19178019 - 11/23/13 08:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Moonshoe said:
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There's no doubt in my mind that either Jesus was the amanita muscaria mushroom itself
You do realize that certainty is not evidence, don't you?
Evidence leads to certainty, but certainty is not evidence?
Leads "towards" certainty. Absolute certainty should never be reached. Of that I am certain.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Icelander]
#19178097 - 11/23/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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certainty is the truth so it is what exist, absolute certainty would mean else freedom superiority, that is why I think there can be absolute certainty for sure when there is another freedom when we are basically not truth existence, that is why freedoms can mean to exist relatively, can be relatively weak to existence fact when it is positive and the more it knows being positive
but freedom is different and could be superior to truth freedom existence as objective positive source
by realizing yourself objectively, so if you can be real in any situation or anywhere, then you know absolute certainty of yourself but also a lot of else in general terms, since you can be real with else so from what you get of relation to conceive freely right
I think this is the mean of existence truth, is to reach absolute certainty so you can be your own unik freedom out of absolute certainties ways, the realities of what is hundred percent sure existing and right
I think it shows how far we are forced to lies, like we believe that superiority must be hidden or superiority must generates ignorance... on the contrary freedom exist because it is beyond all superiority possible and because superiority is true so would give all knowledge right
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: absols]
#19181450 - 11/24/13 04:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't want to bust the bubble OP but this theory has little historical credibility. The Santa bit perhaps, I really wouldn't know, but not Christianity. The links this guy take is like taking 10 different jigsaw puzzles, mixing up the pieces from each then forcing them together.
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Re: The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross [Re: Moonshoe]
#19182762 - 11/24/13 01:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I must admit having been taken in by Gordon Wasson's defamation of John Allegro, but with additional information I am certainly willing to consider his point of view again. I an familiar with Andrija Puharich's book too and didn't realize that he didn't verify some of his pharmacological data.
http://www.johnallegro.org/the-defamation-of-allegro-by-jan-irvin-excerpted-from-astrotheology-shamanism/
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