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frostbrewed
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Trich kicked me right in the balls
#19168499 - 11/21/13 02:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got a fill kit from a sponsor, knocked up rye bags, colonized beautifully it about 16 days. Spawned to the (sterilized) manure based sub and again it colonized beautifully to about 95%. I was planning on fruiting this weekend. I checked on it this morning and found a bumpy white, spot a little smaller than a soup can. I figured it was trich. I took a glass about twice the size of the spot, cleaned it with lysol and pushed it completely through the sub around the spot. I checked it again tonight and sure enough, it was greenish, blue in color. I cut out a section of the sub about twice as big as the glass and **carefully** removed everything. I cased everything and filled the hole with casing and put into fruiting conditions. I went overboard on cleanliness and took every precaution possible throughout this entire grow. I'm thinking it was the sterilized sub that got me. Should have pasteurized my own instead. Do you think I will get any fruit from this run? Or am I doomed?
This was my first grow and I thought I was golden, this thing kind of broad sided me when I found it and I'm probably more disappointed than I should be. I don't have much money in it at all but a lot of time and patience went into this, as you all know.
On a brighter note, I have some wbs bags coming along nicely and a few that I started on Monday.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: frostbrewed]
#19168558 - 11/21/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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frostbrewed said: Spawned to the (sterilized) manure based sub and again it colonized beautifully to about 95%.
Why was it sterilized and not pasteurized?
Spawning to sterilized substrate material in open air is just asking for trouble.....
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frostbrewed said:
I went overboard on cleanliness and took every precaution possible throughout this entire grow. I'm thinking it was the sterilized sub that got me. Should have pasteurized my own instead.
I agree....
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frostbrewed said: Do you think I will get any fruit from this run? Or am I doomed?
Only time will tell....
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: PussyFart]
#19168846 - 11/21/13 07:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If it is trich, it'll just come right back since its mycelial network isnt just in that single spot. It has mycelial networking throughout a big portion of your tub, and there is no getting rid of trich from a mono once its there, just fruit the tub in the kitchen if its ur only tub and got some hope in it fruiting.
What you dont want, is the trich to come back and keep sporulating in your grow area so if you are trippin out on trich but dont wanna toss ur only tub, i would just keep it fruiting but in a dirty area of the house such as the kitchen or garage or something where you wouldn't ever be doing any sterile work in anyways. I always get trich outbreaks in my kitchen anyways, but make sure to get rid of as soon as i see it.
Pasteurize the substrate at 140-160F for an hour its not that hard to do. Get a meat thermometer to monitor the internal temp of substrate not the water.
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Kalypto
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: OregonMushys]
#19168988 - 11/21/13 08:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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OregonMushys said: If it is trich, it'll just come right back since its mycelial network isnt just in that single spot. It has mycelial networking throughout a big portion of your tub, and there is no getting rid of trich from a mono once its there, just fruit the tub in the kitchen if its ur only tub and got some hope in it fruiting.
What you dont want, is the trich to come back and keep sporulating in your grow area so if you are trippin out on trich but dont wanna toss ur only tub, i would just keep it fruiting but in a dirty area of the house such as the kitchen or garage or something where you wouldn't ever be doing any sterile work in anyways. I always get trich outbreaks in my kitchen anyways, but make sure to get rid of as soon as i see it.
Pasteurize the substrate at 140-160F for an hour its not that hard to do. Get a meat thermometer to monitor the internal temp of substrate not the water.
I disagree
I have cut out chunks of trich in a subtrate and finished a two flushed before It went bad again
I have also cut out trich only to have come back a day later close to the hole
All im saying is trich network can be in a single spot IMO
Now I will say that most of the time I think its not
Edited by Kalypto (11/21/13 08:34 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169115 - 11/21/13 09:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yep, the trusty trich surgeon to the rescue.
thats moronic. be clean and learn how to grow right, and ya wont have to carve trich.
great way to spread trich spores.
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Kalypto
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: anne halonium]
#19169119 - 11/21/13 09:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: yep, the trusty trich surgeon to the rescue.
thats moronic. be clean and learn how to grow right, and ya wont have to carve trich.
great way to spread trich spores.
Wow so rude
Not all of us are just growers
Some of us are mycologists and like to use the scientific method to learn and test ideas
Edited by Kalypto (11/21/13 09:26 AM)
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anne halonium
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169123 - 11/21/13 09:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yep all mycologists hack trichy crap tubs routinely.
hacking trich and hiding behind science? lol, you dont know anything about trich beyond its green!
ill doubt ya could find it on wikipedia
im wondering , why a trich hacker like yourself hasnt been banned.
your essentially telling people to spread trich as a grow technique.
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Edited by anne halonium (11/21/13 09:36 AM)
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Kalypto
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: anne halonium]
#19169140 - 11/21/13 09:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No im not , I have clearly stated in multiple posts to always keep bad tubs separate.
I am merely stating something I believe I even said that it was my opinion since I do not have enough proof yet
You are being rude and creating and environment that is not conducive to the threads growth Pretty sure thats against forum rules
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anne halonium
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169153 - 11/21/13 09:39 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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someone has to be rude, when a hack suggests knifing trich as a grow technique.
rude is expecting peeps to take your advice from a diseased grow seriously.
you trifle any serious grower. and your telling peeps to spread pathogens.
for future reference, one prevents trich thru proper teks and clean environment.
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Edited by anne halonium (11/21/13 09:40 AM)
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169239 - 11/21/13 10:11 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Basic rule of thumb is to toss out trich before it starts sporulating in your area/home. Always be on the lookout in your kitchen for foods that are starting to smell earthy or dirt-like. Foods which are commonly taken over by green molds such as trich include oranges, bread, bagels, etc. Constant wiping down surfaces and cleaning, combined with not ever letting it sporulate in the first place, using proper sterile technique when you inoc, and properly pasteurizing the substrate, lets you evade trich pretty easily.
Trich will take over a bag of oranges sittin on your kitchen counter so quick you wont even see it coming. ALWAYS check the bread and the oranges and toss out any potential trich before it sporulates yet once again. Always keep oranges in wide open air with plenty of fresh air, or in the fridge so they keep longer without getting trich.
I personally think that they bleach bread a white color so buyers wont notice the bread going moldy until it turns green, since the color of trich is the same as white bread until it sporulates.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169299 - 11/21/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kalypto said:
I have cut out chunks of trich in a subtrate and finished a two flushed before It went bad again
I have also cut out trich only to have come back a day later close to the hole
All im saying is trich network can be in a single spot IMO
Now I will say that most of the time I think its not
Just assume it's not in a single spot and never ever try to cut it out of the substrate. It's not worth it. If you "need" your mushrooms "that bad" it's because your selling which is also a shit idea and you're in it for money so you'll probably see more problems than any real grower.
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anne halonium
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: bodhisatta]
#19169539 - 11/21/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im starting to like you bod.
you note a good point , some of the least capable growers, commonly hot box bad crops for a quick buck.
the fast buck trich hacks, soil us all.
those that encourage unclean methods , should be noted, and dismissed.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: bodhisatta]
#19169561 - 11/21/13 11:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I don't understand this pride of not growing to sell.
Why the fuck are you taking all this risk? Unless you're just really fighting the good fight and giving the shit away, WHY????
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Kalypto
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Juicin]
#19169565 - 11/21/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Personal use have fun with friends , not much risk in that , they would have to catch you doing something else for you to get caught basically
And some people do sell legally , I plan to start selling mushrooms at the local food market when I can
Edited by Kalypto (11/21/13 11:33 AM)
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: bodhisatta]
#19169567 - 11/21/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks guys...... I thought to myself, I'll just get this convenient fill kit that has everything I need, bagged up and ready to go. I guess the sub is sterilized so it will have a shelf life. I have learned by my mistake and will always pasteurize my own from now on. *update* I checked this morning and found a white spot on top of the casing. I'm not sure if it's good or bad but I quarantined the tub to the other end of the house. I will check it tonight, if it's trich, I'm gonna toss it and read through some good sub prep teks.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Juicin]
#19169575 - 11/21/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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they invest a whopping 10$ , and they want a return.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: frostbrewed]
#19169578 - 11/21/13 11:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Its hard to say white spots can be mycellium coming up through the casing forming hypial knots
I have not used casings nor do i know what it looks like with a picture so I cant say for sure .
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Juicin
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169609 - 11/21/13 11:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea I was referring to the psychedelics
If I had the cash an edible op would be awesome, I have grown to enjoy the hobby. And it would be awesome to go buck wild out in the open.
The risk is just too high for me for personal use. I trip rarely tho so if it was a monthly thing for me and my boys I guess I would consider it.
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Juicin
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: anne halonium]
#19169627 - 11/21/13 11:45 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well I agree getting to the point where you are betting it all on your first mono isn't exactly commendable.
But there is a lot of shit talk towards people who sell non edibles, like that massive grow by GeneralMills, as the example that sticks in my mind. What's wrong with wanting providing a service that the community wants that harms no one?
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Juicin]
#19169634 - 11/21/13 11:47 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Juicin said: Yea I was referring to the psychedelics
If I had the cash an edible op would be awesome, I have grown to enjoy the hobby. And it would be awesome to go buck wild out in the open.
The risk is just too high for me for personal use. I trip rarely tho so if it was a monthly thing for me and my boys I guess I would consider it.
I know
One more thought as to why selling is taboo is that, and this is probably the big thing , but if people were open about using this as a site to get information for drug dealers it would degrade the site , give it a bad name , and would likely be a more referenced site by the police . Since this is not the case , we maintain a pretty awesome scientific community who are focused on cultivation , as opposed to people only worried about making money .
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169641 - 11/21/13 11:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fair enough, I can see how there is a difference between your thoughts on posting it and doing it.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: Kalypto]
#19169654 - 11/21/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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im a big believer in capitalism.
but i think hack growers, with contamed products, should be hung out to dry painfully.
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: anne halonium]
#19170278 - 11/21/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Terrorism Bomb School Sandyhook Guns Fullyautomatic Rawmilk 911
OK NSA now that I have your attention if one of the smart fellows could have a read.
This whole site should be a testament to the legalization and decriminalization of hallucinogenics especially mushrooms. If we want America to stay ontop in the world for the years to come allow budding minds to get into science and technology by using a vehicle that has such awesome side effects as mushrooms do. Obviously nothing that's undermining society is coming from this place or you would have tried to shut it down eariler. Give up on the need to make money off of your citizens and let them grow. Let them learn how to be good at science not because of a boring school teacher but because of things like at home mycology. Maybe then we can be a nation of scientists and doers rather than government subsidy receivers.
Oh and while you're still here could you help me find that one porno with the chick in the pencil skirt and glasses that eventually lets her boss assfuck her? I know you have all those computers and shit it shouldn't be to hard. Thanks.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (11/21/13 02:11 PM)
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PussyFart
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Re: Trich kicked me right in the balls [Re: bodhisatta]
#19170294 - 11/21/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Terrorism Bomb School Sandyhook Guns Fullyautomatic Rawmilk 911
LOL....Allah Ahkbar BOOM!
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THIS HOBBY IS NOT FOR THE IMPATIENT! PLEASE BE PATIENT, DON'T BE A PATIENT! A Tale of 10 Isolates, GT Cluster Clone Monotubs, RR's Let's Grow Mushrooms DVD, SGFC(Shotgun Fruiting Chamber), Monotub Tek, Damion5050's Coir Tek, TL's Tek List, Frank's Tek List, EvilMushroom666's Pasteurization Tek, How It Should & Shouldn't Look - NEW CULTIVATORS GUIDE *** *** AFGHAN KUSH GROW LOG *** ***
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