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SpitballJedi
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: mandrax360]
#19126153 - 11/12/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mandrax360 said: I wish I were a grow kit salesman as I would be rich $$$$$$$$$$$$. More to the point the world works on supply and demand , one would not supply were there is no demand .
There's no doubt that there is a demand and someone will always be there to supply that demand and we all see the market for them.
The point of this thread is to try and disrupt that demand as much as possible.
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mandrax360 said: I have never had the need to buy a grow kit but I see the market for them .
I would like as many people as possible to feel the same way. If I can only save one, that will be my reward.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19127408 - 11/12/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got started because my friend found a book dedicated to growing weed hidden (mostly how to grow it up in a tree) that also showed more or less the PF tek and some strategies. It was a short chapter, at the end.
......and with it did a ton of shit before even realizing the Shroomery. Then I came here to learn more.
I went out and just did the aquarium, whatever set up that the book told me. Just did it fairly simply SORT of like a kit of sorts that I put together after some planning.
Well pretty much did everything up until needing to do dunks and learning about incubators, but all that shit didn't cost me as much as these kits, and what do you do with the jars? Make more substrate, right? So just get the pressure cooker and everything after that for the substrate is dirt cheap comparison wise.
Anyone can get ideas from these though. I guess bouncing bear used to have bee pollen which I have seen as an additive to their substrate jars. Least of all, it's cheaper by a shitload, no shipping a ton of that stuff, and who the hell bothers to just do the first round?
Everyone comes back around here, or to some books. It's not like you can just keep buying their shit. I know when I did I actually spend a fair amount getting two syringes of each type, from a company that did all sorts of mushroom types, that is kind of hard to find actually. I even ordered 2 more of a different halfway in to have another strain, and used all four syringes again and again, but it made it easy on me to get something together to get a spore print of both kind and keep the cycle going, also it was recommended for beginners especially to get two full syringes of each strain you try. I wouldn't do that now, hell I would go spore print and get some syringes at the feed store, and that would be followed by liquid culture. Thing is I learned a lot from DIY.
I saw one site, selling casing mix, two types, one with lime in it too. That's all these motherfuckers did!
I can see some of the products that are sold might help people out who aren't getting kits, maybe some special stuff, on occasion but practically everything in this hobby is makeshift labs!
Another site selling incubation chambers. These where so obviously cobbled together from stuff, that it's just as easy to use it as a planning ground and build EXACTLY the same thing. Imagine the cost involved and your time and you are instantly out a ton of money.
Even if you where throwing up some huge grow op, you would just order that shit in bulk and throw it together, you could cobble together like 20 of them an hour without even trying.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Are The Introduction To Mycology And A Must For All Noobs" Thread [Re: Cannabischarlie]
#19135268 - 11/14/13 09:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I got the ultimate kit. Completely sucks. The plastic is way to small to do anything with, and the lights and timer are completely cheap junk. Salvaged the big tote to make into a glove box. And got the jars, so that's good.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: mudbutt] 1
#19135356 - 11/14/13 09:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mudbutt said: Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own
Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.
The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.
Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving. Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.
I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: beforeIgetold] 1
#19135399 - 11/14/13 09:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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beforeIgetold said:
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mudbutt said: Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own
Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.
The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.
Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving. Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.
I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!
im cool with that, but its not that simple.
first of all, the grow kit peeps run to us for advice. by then its too late other than call 911. second, when someone does get a lucky kit going, they immediately become " experts' , and then begin to advise others.
if peeps just bought em at face value, and used em as such, fine. in reality, they encourage psycholgical disease. and it plagues us all.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19135458 - 11/14/13 09:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
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beforeIgetold said:
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mudbutt said: Grow kits are for people who aren't serious about mycology .....not willing to put the time in to make there own
Thats true or just dont want to be open about it.... Theres nothing wrong with that, just like theres nothing wrong with joining a tennis club instead of building a court yourself.
The point is.... I cant be bothered to set up all that crap myself, no matter how easy it is to turn learn. I dont want to spend my time carefully cooking and cleaning and what else.
Just accept that people are different and the way you do it doesnt make you better people nor does it make my trips any less interesting.or giving. Honestly.... The shroom doesnt care where it comes from, as long as its active.
I only read a few pages but this has got to be the most riduculus thread in here. I thought shrooms should make you more tolerant and giving. Guess thats just not the case with growers.... Shame on you!
im cool with that, but its not that simple.
first of all, the grow kit peeps run to us for advice. by then its too late other than call 911. second, when someone does get a lucky kit going, they immediately become " experts' , and then begin to advise others.
if peeps just bought em at face value, and used em as such, fine. in reality, they encourage psycholgical disease. and it plagues us all.
I gave a bunch of people shit info after I had success with some in-vitro bags. Grow kits suck all around. I wish I never started there.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#19135486 - 11/14/13 10:03 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bod, we rarely agree, but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........
for what its worth, your agar farm is looking pretty good also.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19135546 - 11/14/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: bod, we rarely agree, but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........
for what its worth, your agar farm is looking pretty good also.
One of these days I'm legit going to give Vtek a try down to the T. Either it will help dispel some of the failure myths because no one out there has really done a great job at replicating it, or it will not do as well for me.
I'm waiting till I have a good isolate culture so that my little experiment can be done with and without ferts too.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#19135695 - 11/14/13 11:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I cannot even imagine how little interest in mycology I would have if I couldn't learn and do it myself.
I began because I was interested in cultivating reishi since I find them to be so effective as a medicinal supplement. I didn't realize how much there was to learn. I am completely fascinated by the entire process. It is so much fun to do different experiments to see what techniques work best for me so I can perfect my methods.
So even though I have never experienced a grow kit, I can say that it is so easy and inexpensive to start with PF Tek that I wouldn't want to mess with something that I have no control or knowledge of how it is made.
There are many brilliant members on these forums, so I'm sure if there is a question about the process, it can be found with an easy search or ask if it hasn't been answered already.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#19135874 - 11/14/13 11:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: bod, we rarely agree, but i respect your honesty, and am glad ya grew past kits..........
for what its worth, your agar farm is looking pretty good also.
One of these days I'm legit going to give Vtek a try down to the T. Either it will help dispel some of the failure myths because no one out there has really done a great job at replicating it,
actually, its been done by numerous peeps on different forums, with several types of cubes, mexicanas, and pans.
when done right, it has many advantages.
v-tek, certainly out does kits.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19136235 - 11/14/13 01:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
v-tek, certainly out does kits.
I would hope so. 
Could we make v-tek kits?
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: anne halonium]
#19136304 - 11/14/13 02:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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People jump right to casing all the time but I think I generally recommend starting with the PFTek and maybe perlite instead of the hand spraying bubbling airstone in a cup in a fishtank method although I find that kind of easy to control and get right the first time.
Also you can case with these, I kinda liked a tek tha said to do the half a jar small aluminum tin casings, where you cut the pf tek cake in half and case. Yielded some product because I was working in an office and got used paper boxes. I cut the tops, and just threw some trash bags in there so I could fan it, and just pull the top off and put it back on.
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Grow kits will start working when they start coming with humans to do your work for you.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: bodhisatta]
#19144005 - 11/16/13 02:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: Grow kits will start working when they start coming with humans to do your work for you.
Your post might become more interesting when you come of age
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19150449 - 11/17/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Oooh...this was a great idea. Maybe we can persuade someone to make it a sticky at the top of the board. 
So anyway, before everyone gets on their high horse about people buying kits being lazy or uninterested in the process or somehow inferior to the Real Geeks on teh Shroomereh...just about everyone starts growing mushrooms because they're primarily interested in the harvest. So did you, so did everyone. Just about everyone is *still* primarily interested in the harvest. Otherwise contams wouldn't bum us out so bad.
I would venture a guess that at least half the people here bought a grow kit starting out, and most of them bought the grow kit because they didn't know any better and/or weren't confident in doing it from scratch. Unfortunately, when you google "how to grow mushrooms" or "how to grow shrooms", the Let's Grow Mushroom videos are not among the top hits. One of the top hits when you search "how to grow mushrooms" is an agar technique (I know, wtf, right?). All of this is overwhelming and when you have many shiny websites making many shiny promises with all of the shiny things, you are hypnotized by the shiny things because it all makes sense to someone who hasn't done any of this before.
When I first started, I bought a grow kit from Midwest. Oddly, the reason I bought it was because it was recommended by Ralph on his site. I had heard of people growing mushrooms on rice cakes rather than in cow shit, and went looking for mushroom spores first. After putting the kit together, inoculating the jars, eventually stumbling upon the Shroomery and the videos, and realizing I got charged an asshole tax of $99, I stopped buying from Ralph--not because there was anything wrong with his products--because he recommended this box of cheap, unnecessary, and overpriced crap to begin with.
Rather than wagging our fingers at noobs who had the audacity to get ripped off by unscrupulous grow kit peddlers, maybe we should google bomb RR's vids so they become the first hit on google. At least it'll give noobs a better shot at not getting screwed.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19150999 - 11/17/13 05:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yep, Ralph's endorsement sold me on midwest. Why would anyone endorse that kit? Idk!
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19151288 - 11/17/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Though I have never had a reason to use a grow kit, nor have the desire to ever use a grow kit, I think they could be good if priced around $25USD.
I'm sure this has probably been done before...
-Large spawn bag filled with 2 qts hydrated\sterilized rye. -Large spawn bag has a filter patch for Fae, and also an internal gelcap filled with sterile spores to drop on the hydrated\sterile rye...no opening the bag. -Wait for 100% colonized. -Fruit in the bag...might now have to cut the top of bag.
They would get at least $25USD worth of booms and give them an intro to the hobby.
I have done similar with friends and family as they want the booms but not the hassle.
Question is...can you ship sterile rye with a contained inner gelcap full of cube spores? Didn't PF get popped this way?
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: Helltick]
#19153054 - 11/18/13 07:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Helltick said: Though I have never had a reason to use a grow kit, nor have the desire to ever use a grow kit, I think they could be good if priced around Question is...can you ship sterile rye with a contained inner gelcap full of cube spores? Didn't PF get popped this way?
Yeah. That infers intent.
For $25, I could buy the stuff to have several grows.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: sytar]
#19153500 - 11/18/13 10:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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sytar said: Yep, Ralph's endorsement sold me on midwest. Why would anyone endorse that kit? Idk!
I have absolutely no proof, but I have a sneaky suspicion that Ralph is Midwest. I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin.
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Re: The Official "Grow Kits Suck" Thread [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19167946 - 11/20/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Grow kits just take advantage of people who really don't know any better, and that is why so many of us getting into the hobby get RIPPED OFF, is because we didn't know any better. I think the really bad thing is people buying a kit, getting bummed they got nothing out of it, and giving up. Before my kit failed I was already reading up on bulk spawning, planning on using the cakes (that contaminated with garbage spores from an imitation site) to crumble into some bulk. The real bad thing grow kits do is discourage people making them think they cannot do this hobby/profession/whatever, and making them give up. If there was a kit that was a 66 qt tub, a black trash bag, a razor knife, a roll of duct tape, a brick of coir, a master jar and 7 transfer jars, a large pot with pasteurizing instructions, a digital meat thermo, a small pillow, and an already made SAB, THAT would be worth the 150-200 bucks. Also in the information booklet would be a section discussing the community and places (such as this) that people could go to learn about what they are doing and how do do it right, and to be told what they are doing wrong and steered in the right direction instead of away.
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