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StickyIcky Fingers
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Violet]
#19534400 - 02/07/14 08:44 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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I had some side pins when the casing was dry and the humidity was too low. It's pretty dry where I live so I mist the container a little once or twice a day and that got the pins back on the casing.
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J. Jack Flash
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thanks for the responses. all i can add is i tried carefully to prepare the casing as exactly as directed, including the sealed edges. casing isn't drying out. i keep them in a shotty into which i empty a quart squirt bottle every two or three days (onto the perlite that is. i mist a couple other things in there, some ends up on these but not too much. i believe i've gotten quite good at maintaining RH and FAE in my shotty. just checked, they're moist. none of the mush i've gotten so far has seemed starved of air or dried out. just sayin,' i believe those conditions are met.
so i'm thinking of setting the cakes on shallow trays, or maybe the jar lids, which can be watered, so the pins have a place to go. Or should i leave them to sorta force future pins upward? i don't feel like that will work.
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Violet



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Hm. Don't know what to say, then. Sidepin happens I suppose.
As for a solution of where to go from there... Try stuff, such as your ideas, see what works for you.
I often pick side-pins off the cake when I'm harvesting, particularly the new tiny ones, in an easy attempt to 'bonsai' the cake towards using the top pinset. Also, bottom-watering will almost eliminate new pins below the level of the water unless the pins are already there (hence, picking them). And most importantly, after a flush or two the side-pins will have more than enough space to grow up and out, making them little different from the top pins.
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Violet]
#19539163 - 02/08/14 10:59 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Have you ever considered making a liner for your cakes?
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Violet



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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19539225 - 02/08/14 11:19 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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How do you suppose to make a plastic liner inside all of these many containers, which can be sterilized in the loaded containers, which can be shaken after inoc without being disrupted, which can be seen thru for contaminants, and which allows for bottom-watering?
Short answer: The consideration passed thru my mind for a silly split second.
Simply enough, side-pins are not a problem for me, even when they do occur. Mostly they grow just like top fruits after the first flush or so.
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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#19539288 - 02/08/14 11:34 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, I suppose that's true. Side pins never bother me either on my monos.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#19539309 - 02/08/14 11:41 AM (9 years, 11 months ago) |
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gotta agree, in that i understand the liner works by shrinking with the substrate, yeah? these things are pinning like crazy while the cakes are still plump, pressed against the jar. one jar in four has one fruit coming up from the edge. it looks great, but still. all the rest are on the sides of all four cakes. i'm gonna plunk two of them on lids and leave the others, just to be silly.
i'll get pics later, i think.
so violet, i recall you mentioned when you switched to this method, you found that the isolates you used with great success in bulk growing turned out to be less than ideal for this. i'm working on getting my first isolations now, and plan to test each in bulk and jar. please comment on your relative experiences getting killer bulk strains, vs killer jar strains. thank you in advance.
sidepins do bother me for the extra care and effort required to pick them. plus they remind me of the bound feet of medieval chinese concubines. a very ugly thing on so many levels. i hope they do start pointing upward eventually.
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i dont get it. grain? v tek? what is meta? im sure im an idiot for asking but anyone?
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: j9radiohead]
#19612106 - 02/24/14 12:46 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just wanted to say heyyyyy
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Mosey3012]
#19612292 - 02/24/14 01:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Mosey3012 said: Just wanted to say heyyyyy

Holy fuck! You have some competition violet!
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Mushroom_J
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
#19612385 - 02/24/14 01:42 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sgt. Pepper said:
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Mosey3012 said: Just wanted to say heyyyyy

Holy fuck! You have some competition violet! 
That's what I'm sayin'!
That's a lot of fruit in a tiny space!
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Mushroom_J]
#19612400 - 02/24/14 01:44 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mushroom_J said:
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Sgt. Pepper said:
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Mosey3012 said: Just wanted to say heyyyyy

Holy fuck! You have some competition violet! 
That's what I'm sayin'!
That's a lot of fruit in a tiny space!
Haha. Those little ones don't even have space to mature! Those mushrooms come in too dense! Down with A-tek! Haha. Just kidding of course.
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Mosey3012]
#19613188 - 02/24/14 05:21 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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That looks good Mosey! I'm glad to see your example of quickly-improving results with learning and repeated attempts!
I wish more people would post their successes out in the open
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Violet]
#19613628 - 02/24/14 06:59 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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ok, violet. here's the best i've gotten so far. still side pinning like crazy, but the tops finally started fruiting, too.

not as good as yours, mosey. looks great.
so violet, i was reading an ancient thread by fahtster about late casing bulk tubs. something about light not just being a trigger, but triggering specifically where there's exposure. so i wondered if covering the outsides of the cups in something opaque and exposing tops to light and air to trigger pins, then casing would be worth a shot. like maybe can coozies or something.
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bodhisatta 
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Mine are almost colonized I would say there at 75%
They're 30g dry RGS per cup hydrated according to the modified grain prep for ferts, and the ferts were used. PCed for 40M on a gas stove. I inoculated them 2/14/14 with three small wedges ~120º apart from eachother on the edge of the container. They were all shook once after the growth was about the size of a quarter. So it's been 10 days since inoculation and they're about at 75% but also to consider is that everything else I'm growing seems to be going quite slow in my house this time of year. Temps are ~62-65 most of the time, never getting above 68F unless I'm cooking a huge dinner and using the oven.
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Pastywhyte
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Quote:
J. Jack Flash said: so violet, i was reading an ancient thread by fahtster about late casing bulk tubs. something about light not just being a trigger, but triggering specifically where there's exposure. so i wondered if covering the outsides of the cups in something opaque and exposing tops to light and air to trigger pins, then casing would be worth a shot. like maybe can coozies or something.
If that was the case, people would still be taping the bottoms of their mono's IMO your casing appears dry.
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bodhisatta 
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19613665 - 02/24/14 07:07 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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yea I just looked at those pictures, I agree that casing does look pretty dry. And light doesn't directly cause side pins, they still require a environment they prefer to pin. Opaque borders won't change a thing
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: bodhisatta]
#19613735 - 02/24/14 07:28 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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hm, ok, thanks, y'all. i wonder how liners help. i mean, the side pins here were smashing their own spaces into the sides of the cakes, making their own room, a liner couldn't have made a difference. i did notice that the fungus never bothered to colonize the casing much.
and yeah, they were pretty dry when this pic was taken. i keep second guessing how damp they should be, sometimes misting when i mist the perlite, sometimes not. thanks, though, i just sprayed them. just realized i haven't been tallying the produce. oops.
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bodhisatta 
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liners help because the mycelium will "colonize" or stick to the liner limiting the space between the mycelium and the tub. Since there's no space then there's no micro climate and then no pins. A liner when done right is like a shrinking container, and it should shrink with your substrate.
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J. Jack Flash
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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: bodhisatta]
#19613775 - 02/24/14 07:35 PM (9 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah that's what i mean, the cakes were stuck to the cups. had to massage them out to pick the pins off. anyway, i've done one tiny bulk container, with a liner, and it worked great. oh well. guess it's just part of the fun.
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