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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19300002 - 12/19/13 08:56 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

yes libs, i had a successfull run with them once and believe the basis of this tek fits them well:thumbup:


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #19300020 - 12/19/13 08:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

really...........
ya know, they did galindoi , and various mexicanas also in v tek.

a lib v tek could be heroic cronic......


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19300042 - 12/19/13 09:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

they love rgs consolidation casing layers and don't take well to shakes so i got faith on this one:smile:


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #19300064 - 12/19/13 09:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hmmm interesting.
obviously , this would be a feature thread?

this is the kinda stuff i like to see.
peeps waste too much time arguing, and not enough experimenting.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19300078 - 12/19/13 09:10 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'll be posting it here:thumbup: provided v don't mind


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19300252 - 12/19/13 09:53 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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peeps waste too much time arguing, and not enough experimenting.



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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19300414 - 12/19/13 10:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

hi  whats up? i agree. ive been using pp5 for years for petri,s but ...are these porous? I washed the hell out of some and still smell bac. guess I need to use some vinager. glass is always clean smelling and sterile. just trying to adapt.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19300568 - 12/19/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Any fruiting chamber can work.
I even sometimes fit 2-liter soda bottles with the bottoms cut off onto the containers as individual chambers!





  Hey Violet quick question about your use of 2 Liter bottles for fruiting chambers.  Do you poke any holes in the bottles near the bottom or take the cap off?  I am wanting to experiment a bit and want to know where to start from.  Thanks.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: BigGreenMat]
    #19303555 - 12/20/13 03:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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You say in this particular version of your tek that its recommended to allow at least a 7-9 day period after the grains reach 100% to properly consolidate. In my mind for some reason I recall reading a stretch of info you once supplied elaborating on how a longer "chew" time for the myc on straight grains does a world of wonder and that more like a ~20 day consolidation period is preferred to really see this method shine. I'm on my second round of these containers now and continuously refer back to the tek as thoughts or questions come about but it seems like every time I come back something is missing or has changed. So what gives? Is a 7-9 day, hell lets say a full 10 day consolidation period after reaching 100% sufficient enough to get an equally as rewarding results (not taking genetics or any of that into consideration) as a say 20 day period?



"What gives" is that you're asking a question that cannot possibly have a certain given answer.
The amount of consolidation time that these cakes benefit from depends on several factors.  I'll elaborate some here since this is the "brevity" version of the tek, but the more detailed explanation you read is in the original presentation "seed&plastic"


Speed of culture in colonization and/or spread of inoculation points:

The faster full colonization is reached, the less 'chew time' has been had at the point of 100%.  If this is because the culture is fast, then metabolism may also be fast, and an extension of consolidation may not be necessary.
If this is because there were many inoculation sites, most of the grain has not been colonized very long and mycelium is not sunk in very well, so this may benefit from an extended consolidation time.

Speed of culture in fruiting:
If a culture does not fruit very quickly, it may be a sign that it didn't have enough time to ready before the initiation of fruiting, in which case it will sit around until ready to fruit regardless of if you keep it in consolidation or give it fruiting conditions.  This would happen either because the culture needs more time due to its behaviorism, or because it needs more time to chew on the nutritious substrate, or both.
If a culture fruits very quickly, it's a sign that consolidation isn't as necessary before fruiting time, yet still leaves open the possibility that some more consolidation could round out flush size and potency.



With all that said...  I suggest a referential consolidation period of 10-14 days.  Factors that may reduce consolidation time could be considered a subtraction of 1 day, and factors that call for more time can be considered an addition of 2 days.

And with that said too,  I'll add that there's not really anything to lose from extra consolidation (although a month from colonized may be too long)  but perhaps some things to gain (solid potency, even flushing, full yield before mycelium is expended)


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On that note... Do you case and normally put the containers straight into their fruiting environment or do u usually let them sit with the lid on for a little bit then put them in? Would you say that either way would result in equally as speedy fruit formation time wise?



Some time with lids on after casing wouldn't hurt because the mycelium will colonize the casing before fruiting regardless, but it may delay the switch from casing colonization to fruiting.  Probably not.  Either way, I have usually put mine right in the chamber after casing, though recently I've enjoyed letting them colonize the casing under loose lid.  I might suggest dong that if even well-prepared casing layers contaminate before they're colonized (probably due to excessive live ambient spore count)


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19307491 - 12/21/13 11:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I had the first flushes of a couple containers come in today :thumbup: but I am going to be leaving for a week or so tomorrow. Can I withhold the watering until I get back to delay the next flush?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: StickyIcky Fingers]
    #19308192 - 12/21/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

ya you can, but if your gone too long.......
they may lose a flush in recovery to hydration.

it is possible to suspend V tek grows for a week or 2.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: anne halonium]
    #19309908 - 12/21/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

This sounds very interesting. Especially with really prolific varieties like GT and B+. Have you tried this with APEs? I am finding that every time I run the Penis Envies they take forever to fruit. Maybe something like this v-Tek (tub Tek?, glad Tek?) might give them what they need? Or maybe they just simply take their sweet time.

Either way, they sure are potent and fun to grow. I look forward to trying this method on for size.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Blue Shaman]
    #19403519 - 01/11/14 12:06 PM (10 years, 19 days ago)

Wow extremely informative especially microwave casing layer.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: mushies19]
    #19489181 - 01/28/14 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

i have a question, and i apologize if i missed it in the post, but when do you shake? only after inoculation? or at certain percentage colonization? also, do you only bottom water the second, and subsequent flushes? can you case and bottom water, or only one or the other?


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: j9radiohead]
    #19489403 - 01/29/14 12:01 AM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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i have a question, and i apologize if i missed it in the post, but when do you shake? only after inoculation? or at certain percentage colonization? also, do you only bottom water the second, and subsequent flushes? can you case and bottom water, or only one or the other?




You missed the point. You only shake after inoculation to rub the agar around on the grains.

Part of the 'point' of this tek is that the mycelium doesn't waste energy recovering so it can devote itself to fruiting.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19490548 - 01/29/14 09:54 AM (10 years, 2 days ago)

generally speaking , i consider PP5's to be " no shake"
combo of size, and shape, and threat of bacteria when shaking,
make them work best when just left to sit.

my tests indicate, theres not much of a time advantage with shaking.
and , consolodation we believe, is the key to a healthy core.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: anne halonium]
    #19490683 - 01/29/14 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 days ago)

I have decided to pursue this tek and use it as my standard.  I have no interest in huge tubs as I just don't need large quantities of fruit.  I have some grass seeds noc'd up with a tissue sample from a nice specimen. 

I'm going to attempt to noc up pp5 containers with softened brown rice and pick pins with good traits and place them in an agar dish.  So much fun can be had with this hobby.  I truly enjoy the growing process every bit as much the consumption of the fruit.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Stargaze]
    #19495320 - 01/30/14 07:33 AM (10 years, 1 day ago)

wonderful.
although this tek holds very well to scale.
it has definite advantages to the smaller grower.

the idea behind it, is to enable yield, without major BS.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: anne halonium]
    #19533036 - 02/06/14 09:55 PM (9 years, 11 months ago)

side pins.  fuckin side pins.  what can be done about the side pins?  i have a few jars fruiting right now, nothing but side pins.  cased and put to fruit last friday, and now, only side pins.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: J. Jack Flash]
    #19534034 - 02/07/14 05:21 AM (9 years, 11 months ago)

Good casing layers, prepared as described in this tek, lain-on "sealed" against the edges of the container, and in humid conditions that makes it the ideal fruiting surface.
Even with casing layers I often get side/bottom pins when the air isn't high humidity, or it's exchanged too much.


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