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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19176734 - 11/22/13 09:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm trying the Violet Tek for my first ever grow.... what Fruiting Chamber would be recommended for someone who doesn't yet have ANY FC.  My guess is putting the containers in a mono tub with some holes and poly to allow for FAE?  I'm thinking that seems like the easiest method for a first timer?  Any advice would be appreciated.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: MMagg]
    #19176929 - 11/22/13 11:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm trying the Violet Tek for my first ever grow.... what Fruiting Chamber would be recommended for someone who doesn't yet have ANY FC.  My guess is putting the containers in a mono tub with some holes and poly to allow for FAE?  I'm thinking that seems like the easiest method for a first timer?  Any advice would be appreciated.



For most assured success I suggest first-timers try individual chambers for a few containers first, some cased and some uncased.
I'll describe this a bit more in depth below under the photo.

My second suggestion is, honestly, ultrasonic humidifiers. Combined with a small fan to stir the ultrasonic mist into the air of a well-done makeshift chamber (i.e. "greenhouse), ultrasonics both mist the casings incredibly gently and keep the humidity to perfect near-saturation.  Find a way (like with modified common timers) to run them 1 minute every 30-60 minutes

Big totes for many containers works nicely once one understands the dynamic. But until then they can cause people to have dry tops, difficulty pinning due to surface mycelium drying, only side-pins, the likes. Can turn out poorly when beginners are combined with multi-spore, no casing layers, or holes in the tote.

The goal is to supply adequate air for full-fruiting and retaining moisture, losing only what is necessary to return their environment to 100%RH.

I would love to see some beginners try starting out with some liter invitro containers for ease and success.

By "individual chambers" I meant something the likes of this:

This is the second flush of a cake I've been sortof neglecting.  I only remembered to give it water once, and I find that the yield is in grams only what I watered in milliliters.  This culture can definitely do more, but it's already impressed me.

A 2-liter soda bottle (Coca-cola in this case) was cut at its widest spot where it just barely fits snugly over the threads of the container.
It's perfect!  Keeps humidity ideally while still having enough air in the chamber to only require a few exchanges per day.

With the small lid totally unscrewed, just sitting on the top, I only exchange the air once a day (by simply removing the bottle and waving it for one second)... and sometimes I forget a day.

There are several ways one can make this manner of chamber happen easily and for free.

Combined with a casing, considering done right all-around, this is a nearly fool-proof way to grow.  Sure is well easier than PFtek and yield is far better.


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Is 20-30 grams per PF cake average?  No no, far from it, 10 on a PF cake is great.

to be perfectly fair about that statement violet cakes are 2/3's verm and half the size



That's partly true chronic, and it's related to part of my coming response to one of Pasty's questions. You'll see how this supports my statements.

However PF cakes are Not "half the size"; remember the pint containers are half-loaded, so this tek is also half-pint cakes.

1/3 of PF cakes are rice, so truly the yield of a PF cake can be considered being from JUST the brown rice flour, and not the verm.
So when you consider how much yield PF tek gets from its small amount of grain ingredient, then scale up per the greater amount of grain ingredient in these cakes instead, it shouldn't be so hard to believe that ~2.5 times the grain of a PF cake (hydration-expanded grain takes more volume than flour mixed onto wet verm) gets the same proportion in yield.

In fact, since the surface area of the grains is not increased into flour which is quickly "eaten" and there is not 3 times the amount of mycelium living on the same grain nutrition expanded over vermiculite, it's easy to see why my straight-grain container cakes get a slightly higher Biological Efficiency than PF cakes.

Thus it's quite sensible that these cakes get x3 the yield of just under x3 the grain substrate.
That's really not so spectacular, you see?!?! Nothing really THAT new about the yield ability of grain!
The only thing that's "new" is the simple arrangement of material and procedure to easily make it happen!


Until the bottom-watering of small grain substrates,  No straight-grain grow fully achieved the yield-per-grain that grains are capable of supporting since the proper proportion of water requirements were not met.
In this exact same way, the power of grains is fully realized in just the same way as it is with "bulk" cakes as well!


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19176947 - 11/22/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Derp derp derp lol, I like the pop bottle you should try some enoki like that


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19177124 - 11/23/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pasty the quotes in this post are kinda re-ordered to suit the flow of my answers

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If V tek is supposed to double my yield as compared to bulk,



Gotta nip this sort of thing in the bud!
I don't claim this, and Anne's statement up there doesn't translate to that like InTheBigguns seemed to conclude

The "double" thing is more of an epistemological statement.
Considering less than half of the Energy and Work, with the same amount of grain, No massive bulk substrates, fewer contams (I get practically NO contams), and the same yield-per-grain,  this tek can be said to produce double the yield per one's all-inclusive input.  That's certainly my experience with it.


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The statement, "Even if I was using WBS it would still cost alot more to get the same amount of sub."
What's the logic for that?
If you pay a fixed price for a certain amount of substrate, why would it cost any more put into different containers?



Are you inferring that the bulk sub is merely a means of providing water thus it should not be counted as part of the volume of sub? If I spawn 6 quarts grain to 18 quarts sub, that is going to be a lot cheaper that 24 quarts of grain would be. Obviously grain is the bigger factor of course for yield, but if the comparison between your yield claims for the tek exclude the sub that has me curious. If that truly is your statement, then it would be easier to run a conclusive side by side to compare how much difference there truly is.



I think I see what you're thinking. You're considering mixing free substrates with purchased ones reducing the cost of your substrate.

But it doesn't do that.  You pay for grains what you pay for grains, Period.  Using bulk substrate doesn't make your grains less expensive.

Since grains carry the yield, and are the costly ingredient, it is the yield-per-grain value that is important.

It's extremely easy to figure out a yield-per-grain value for any given grow. PFtek and Vtek in particular are directly yield-per-grain values (as long as you don't count verm which has no nutrition)
It's not nearly as easy to figure out what bulk is capable of because colonizing and fruiting on bulk substrate still involves grains (mostly requires grains really, thus why nearly every grow is based around grains, especially largely successful grows).
But it's fair to say bulk is capable of little to nothing on its own since attempts to colonize pure "bulks" without nutritive inoc source almost always stall/contam/don't fruit/fruit very little.



Point is, when I calculate my yield-per-grain of this grow tek and bulk sub grows I get about the same value on average.


That means bulk substrate isn't really increasing one's yields
, just making them possible in that tek's fashion.  That's not to say it doesn't have nutritional value, just that the extra expenditures of bulk teks procedures and of a much larger mycelium colony end up effectively balancing that out.

Sometimes I see higher on average more commonly with this tek when done outright.



Soon I'll have a section on Biological Efficiency posted at the end of the tek, which will discuss this a bit more thoroughly.  I already have it, I'm just waiting to add it. This topic is great leading to that.


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Just so I can compare it to my current results, in a head to head type scenario, what would be a fair comparison?
If I wanted to do V tek with lets say 4 quarts (which I believe would be 8 of the pp5 containers), then how much spawn and bulk sub would be comparable to that if I was to spawn at a ratio of 1:2?



The ideal comparison would be the Same Exact amount of the Same prepared grain for each grow.

For the "bulk" side of the test, mixing the grains with hydrated vermiculite is the bulk-style hydration method. It's essentially whole-grain PF cakes, which is sortof what bulk grows come down to already plus a bit of bulk sub pasteurizably-low nutrition to account for some loss.

With that experiment one can directly see how the colonizing expansion over watermass effects yields.

IMPORTANT NOTE:  To get it right, you really have to understand and execute the vtek water dynamic and execute the cake's full yield! If you don't, then the experiment is one-sided!

To explain... Before I fully learned this tek, well before posting,  I tried some of them with just a bit of verm mixed in to make it a solid dense cake.  I also had been attempting "birthing" the cakes out of containers and re-using containers sooner.  In order to get the vermy cakes to yield, they needed some dunking.  However they appeared to do significantly better than the non-verm cakes... because the non-verm cakes lost their water so easily and didn't have 100%RH at the substrate's surface!
However once I had ALL cakes stay in containers the whole time, and got conditions ideal... the vermy cakes yielded NO better, and were even a little bit more difficult to water.

Using increasingly large proportions of "bulk" substrate reduces the amount of grain in the substrate's volume.
A half-pint cake of BRF&verm or grain&coir simply is not capable of as much yield as a half-pint cake of straight-grain when all are sufficiently handled & watered.
PFtek is the obvious example of this, as I pointed out to chronicr

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However there are MANY FC options with this style grow, some which retain 100%RH practically guaranteed with no consideration for ambient RH



So if I wanted to re-purpose a mono to hold the containers, that would be considered "following the tek"?

Regardless, you seem very confident that my conditions should have no part to play in the success of the tek.



I'm definitely confident, given that you find which of the many ways to fruit these containers adequately ignores/overrides the difficulty of your condition.

"Invitro" containers, or coke-bottle-chambers like shown in the post above, entirely ignore ambient humidity once the humidity is risen after an air exchange.

Totes might not be quite so well-off, especially without casing,  for the reasons mentioned at the top of the post before this one.
Since bulk substrate more easily provides mass humidity without apparent/problematic surface dehydration, the same conditions will not suit.

Again as said above, my recommendation for learning second to individual containment is ultrasonic humidifiers (+fan).


Whether an experienced grower or a beginner, give a few rounds of containers the consideration of being for learnings sake.
Fruiting straight-grain is definitely different, but it would be silly to think that it's more difficult to learn the ways of one than other.


You got this.


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I don't see how you can maximize the square footage as efficiently with the round containers in the square mono. You will get more sub in a monotub with bulk than you could with pp5 containers. Its the whole "round peg in a square hole quandary"



More sub, you're correct.
However I'm sure by now you're starting to see the real relevant matter: You may fit more substrate mix in a tote that way, but the real question is, how much grain do you have in that tote?

12 containers will have right about the same amount of grain as 5 quart jars the way we load them.
That gets the same (or a bit more) grain power in a tote as would a mono block.
So the tote generally contains the same yield potential - as long as it's fully realized by the simplicity of bottom-watering instead of the many steps of bulk subs.

The additional volume taken by bulk substrate, which containers do not take due to "round peg / square hole", is watermass which is added over time via bottom-watering instead.  This not only reduces the amount of breathing mycelium in a chamber but considerably increases the ratio of air to substrate per the area a chamber takes up, without reducing the yield power in the tote and perhaps even increasing it some.
Monotubs don't have any more grain in a chamber than this would.  The watermass bulk sub in the tote doesn't really contribute to yield so it honestly isn't necessary or helpful to consider it as being "more substrate" in the chamber.


So in the end, just like yield this can be said to balance out or better, with the additional other advantages of the tek!


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19177917 - 11/23/13 07:36 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the advice.  I have a closet in an unused room that I think I could turn into a GH. I've got an oil filled electric heater and a nice 9 gallon per day humidifier.  I suppose I'd just need a daylight bulb and a timer to turn it into a GH?  Any recommendations or advice on that tek for the violet tek?

I'm prepping grain today.... I have 6 B+ Cube spore syringes.  I read your remarks on spore syringe noc to RGS.... Not sure I'm fully understanding of the best workflow to go from spore to colonization.  I assume you do a couple transfers to get down to an isolated point?  Any help on that specific part of the tek is appreciated.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: MMagg]
    #19178553 - 11/23/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Thanks for the advice.  I have a closet in an unused room that I think I could turn into a GH. I've got an oil filled electric heater and a nice 9 gallon per day humidifier.  I suppose I'd just need a daylight bulb and a timer to turn it into a GH?  Any recommendations or advice on that tek for the violet tek?



Yes, some...
First advice is: Don't start out with such a chamber!  Get a feel for the basic straight-grain/straight-cased-grain dynamic first!
More about this below, but I'll elaborate on making an ultrasonic humidifier chamber.

Personally I would suggest turning to the ultrasonic automated chamber as a later option after attempting the simplicity of contained grows in whatever fashion.


These small cakes only need, in fact they sortof require, tame limited air exchange.  This makes designing for gas exchange very simple, as based on the chamber's size and fill with substrates it's quite likely that opening the doors to the chamber for some time makes for an adequate exchange.  Briefly fanning out can only help.  Having adequate fresh air while still easily building & retaining humidity helps reduce contams.

Don't try automating air exchange at first, maybe even ever.  If you ever try it after learning the dynamic then use small fans like video card fans which don't heavily disturb and flash-dry the air.  Always use short-interval timers for brief bursts between long breaks, such as easily modifying one of these.


My suggestion for the ultrasonic humidifier is having the fan blow at an upwards angle into where the stream flows out. Place it in such a fashion that the billowing mist stirs amongst the whole chamber.  This may take some experimenting with containers loaded into the chamber.
Have them operate together on the same one of the same kind of short-interval timer (but a different one from one's air exchange if you are doing that).

It's easiest and works wonderfully when using 2 matching shelves of any size set on and wrapped in plastic, with the ultrasonic and fan billowing the air into the air between and amongst the shelves.



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Another question, would the 2 litre bottles over the plastic container system work as good as any other fruiting chamber?  If so, why wouldn't you always use it?  Perhaps because you need to create FAE manually by removing and fanning it for a second? 



From what I've been experiencing, yes the individual bottle chambers work as well as any other chamber and a bit better than some.
Yes, the main reason one might always not use it is taking all the individual lids off of single containers when the same moment would handle 8-18.
I love it more than big chambers though and use it for the here-and-there tests and the odd-man-out/straggler/between-times containers.

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How about removing the cap from the 2 liter and using poly?  wouldn't that remove the need for fanning and make it a neglect tek?



I suspect it would restrict the airflow as much as the loose lid or perhaps more, except a small puff of poly.
I can see fine-tuning this with a small puff of poly working pretty well and almost achieving total neglect.
However this chamber scenario would have such still air that CO2 would build up down in it with not as much pushed out the top as would make it ideal.  It would be totally neglect for a species such as Enoki, as chronic so happened to mention, but Cubensis needs at least some fresh air.
Depending on your chamber and how you do it, you may get some fuzzy stems but personally I don't care about that and neither will you if you keep FAE low.  It still fully fruits with quality fruits and is very low-maintenance.

Perhaps a few tiny holes near the bottom of the bottle would control a tiny amount of air exchange to not drop humidity faster than the moisture within can raise it so it stays at 100%, while allowing total neglect besides occasional watering.


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I'm prepping grain today.... I have 6 B+ Cube spore syringes.  I read your remarks on spore syringe noc to RGS.... Not sure I'm fully understanding of the best workflow to go from spore to colonization.  I assume you do a couple transfers to get down to an isolated point?  Any help on that specific part of the tek is appreciated.



Always use a still-air box, glove box, or sterile laminar airflow with these unmodified containers.

You can do a multi-spore grow with a syringe by lifting one side of a lid and squirting some spores. Don't shake after a squirt!

I don't like to fully grow-out multispore, it goes lamely for me.  Instead I use very lightly loaded containers as "grain petris" shown in the culture tech thread, and THIS is what I suggest using spore solution on, for culturing.

However a beginner that is not yet working on agar won't be doing this and yet likely will still be using spore solution... so squirting under a lifted lid will do them well enough.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19178800 - 11/23/13 12:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Brilliant advice... thanks for taking the time to help me.

I'm considering the poly in the top/ small pokes covered with filter sections in the bottom of the 2 liter as a full neglect tek.  I'll use 12 containers... 4 different versions so I can compare them with 3 containers each using 4 different methods. 

1.  your tek with no holes/poly and fanned as you suggest
2.  very loose poly in top with no holes in bottom - full neglect
3.  #2 with one small hole near container height and filter taped
4.  #3 with TWO holes covered with filter tape

I'll do another 12 containers with your exact tek and fanning for production. 

Those will be done multi spore.... at the same time, i'll start a few containers as your culture tek advises and will isolate for the NEXT time.... at which point I should have good info on which of the 4 teks gets me best results as a full neglect.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: MMagg]
    #19180013 - 11/23/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I tend to fare to the simple.  Here's betting that an otherwise "unmodified" coke bottle top with No lid could do well in the right place.
My suggestion for a 'full neglect' mod is a hole somewhere around 3/4 inch to 1 inch with medium poly stuffing, right above the edge of the container, with the bottle's lid Off entirely. In a moving air, dry, or dry moving air environment both holes might should have at least medium poly.
Control the airflow, but allow it gently and moderately.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19212547 - 12/01/13 12:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Okay so I did me some G2G with your pp5 containers last night. A mix of mostly rye with a little millet. Gotta few questions/things I want to be sure of going forward. I want to do this right :thumbup:

First, I see in your writeup that there is pretty much no need for a GE filter on the lids, and you suggest that loosening them is not necessary unless stalling occurs. That being said at what point would you consider them stalled? Two days no apparent growth or in that ballpark. Will the mycelium recover once GE is reestablished? I'm in uncharted territory here so bear with me.

Second, I never really got a straight answer before regarding a FC. The pop bottle is not really a viable option for me, I don't have a greenhouse, you seemed hesitant to recommend a repurposed mono (I agree that with my conditions that would not be ideal) so I'm thinking that for my situation, its gotta be a SGFC or nothing? I'm not a fan personally of the SGFC due to my need to moisten the perlite every 3-4 days but I will do what I have to. Will I need to mist and fan these guys as well? Sounds like a pain but maybe I can convince my wife to do it once a day for me while I'm at work, and then I can do it again when I get home.

Third, the whole bottom watering deal. Is it only to be done after the first flush? There will be enough moisture in the grains from the initial prep to carry them through the first flush? Just need to be sure, because for bulk I dunk my grains, then spawn them to field capacity sub which is a lot of water being provided. I just can't wrap my head around straight grain having enough.

Fourth, I've seen you talk about consolidation for these guys. How long of a consolidation period would be ideal? Everyone say's a week for cakes but when one digs deeper they find that is more of a recommended minimum, longer would be better. What would be an ideal consolidation for these?

Just want to make sure I got all the basis covered as I really want to make the most of what this has to offer. Even used one of my favorite cultures to boot :awesomenod:


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19226298 - 12/04/13 11:49 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I just bought 30 Ziplock twist n' lock pint plastics for $25. Was this a good deal?

Violet - In the sterilization section you mention having a electric stove. Would a gas stove have adverse effects? Such as melting?

Would love to hear from anyone with a gas stove tips, tricks etc?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: ForgottenFreshness]
    #19226390 - 12/04/13 12:12 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Nope, gas stove rules!  Offers most even heating and easy use.  You'll only melt containers if your cooker runs out of water.
That's a plenty good deal for the containers.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19248978 - 12/09/13 07:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I tried to PC some of these containers and they came out with quite a bit of condensation inside. Is there something I did wrong. I let them cool in the PC over night.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: NOS4A2]
    #19249022 - 12/09/13 07:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

No it's fine.  Mine usually get condensation. Shaking them before or after inoculating will absorb the moisture


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #19249051 - 12/09/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago)

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Nope, gas stove rules!  Offers most even heating and easy use.  You'll only melt containers if your cooker runs out of water.
That's a plenty good deal for the containers.




I also love gas stoves, but one thing to consider is that the flame and/or extreme heat from the flame will curl around the bottom and up the sides.  If this happens, the plastic won't have any protection until the interior is saturated with steam and pressure is reached.  At that time the temp can't get over 250F/121C so the plastic is protected.

However, during warmup when there is no steam in the upper chamber the flame-curl can melt the plastic.  This isn't a problem with electric stoves, but people need to be cautious of this with gas stoves and make sure the bags or other plastic containers are protected from touching the sides.
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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #19257813 - 12/10/13 09:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

this is how ya prevent the bottoms of PP5 from turning to mush.
works with gas or electric.
helps also with excess moisture, bottoms grow fast and even.
no shake.



this also works for other types of subs also.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: anne halonium]
    #19257835 - 12/10/13 09:41 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I know this is unrelated, but why do those containers fade away in your picture?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19257922 - 12/10/13 10:03 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

composite pic.
im getting sick of posting 50 pics to show something,
therefore, were condensing .

like this picture of the exotic chicon nindo mexicanas,
done v tek style. under LED , and fert WBR sub.



sick of clicking millions of pics.
we have new teks, new info, new grows,
and some classic re -do stuff, for cacti and fungi.
the whole catalog, , converted to mini tek pics.
and,
that includes all annies " v tek " stuff.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #19297876 - 12/19/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure if I've totally fabricated this or if over the course of u editing and changing out information Ive simply just mixed things around in my head... but to hit back on what Pastyhyte mentioned about consolidation that I never saw a reply to...

You say in this particular version of your tek that its recommended to allow at least a 7-9 day period after the grains reach 100% to properly consolidate. In my mind for some reason I recall reading a stretch of info you once supplied elaborating on how a longer "chew" time for the myc on straight grains does a world of wonder and that more like a ~20 day consolidation period is preferred to really see this method shine. I'm on my second round of these containers now and
continuously refer back to the tek as thoughts or questions come about but it seems like every time I come back something is missing or has changed. So what gives? Is a 7-9 day, hell lets say a full 10 day consolidation period after reaching 100% sufficient enough to get an equally as rewarding results (not taking genetics or any of that into consideration) as a say 20 day period?


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Fourth, I've seen you talk about consolidation for these guys. How long of a consolidation period would be ideal? Everyone say's a week for cakes but when one digs deeper they find that is more of a recommended minimum, longer would be better. What would be an ideal consolidation for these?




Please let me know your thoughts on this as well as it would save quite a lot of "waiting" time if the additional consolidation time isn't of very much benefit...

On that note... Do you case and normally put the containers straight into their fruiting environment or do u usually let them sit with the lid on for a little bit then put them in? Would you say that either way would result in equally as speedy fruit formation time wise?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Mosey3012]
    #19299933 - 12/19/13 08:43 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

i'mgonna give my libs a trial run with this, i think they will benefit from it. got some nice growth at the moment and gonna transfer to a couple pp5's in the morning, wish me luck:thumbup:


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #19299972 - 12/19/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

absolutey:thumbup:

libs?


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