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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bongoman]
#27184742 - 02/03/21 03:37 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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bongoman said: Just confirming that a 500ml PP5 container half full with grain and sealed tight has sufficient air for colonisation / consolidation?
I don't seal mine tight, though Stamets would say mycelium doesn't care much about oxygen during spawn runs, so it would probably work that way, though perhaps slower.
I usually open them 1/4-inch, which is not a quarter turn, it's just enough not to be sealed tight. This has worked great for me with PP5 containers of various sizes, as well as quart mason jars. I don't fruit directly from grains in quart mason jars, but I've had good luck fruiting from the PP5 containers (wider mouths), both the pint size and the quart size, though pints are sufficient.
I have a Treasure Coast strain fruiting from three different 500ml PP5 ZipLock containers, using 1 cup (250ml) of whole brown rice as the grain, and straight coir as a casing. They tend to flush every 10 days and have flushed twice with about 30g wet from each flush.
Based on past experience, they will flush probably 3-4 more times...
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: madyogi]
#27184883 - 02/03/21 05:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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madyogi said: I usually open them 1/4-inch, which is not a quarter turn, it's just enough not to be sealed tight. This has worked great for me with PP5 containers of various sizes, as well as quart mason jars. I don't fruit directly from grains in quart mason jars, but I've had good luck fruiting from the PP5 containers (wider mouths), both the pint size and the quart size, though pints are sufficient.
Thanks, that's very helpful.
How are you finding coir as a casing layer? Thoughts on using vermiculite to case?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bongoman]
#27185875 - 02/04/21 09:16 AM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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bongoman said:
Thanks, that's very helpful.
How are you finding coir as a casing layer? Thoughts on using vermiculite to case?
The coir works well with this system and is much easier to deal with than sterilizing peat or jiffy mix. I just do a basic bucket tek and the coir lasts a while without going bad.
I actually have two jars cased with vermiculite that I just put in the martha a couple days ago. It's the first time I've tried straight verm as a casing with these, so I'll let you know how it goes.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: madyogi]
#27203596 - 02/13/21 12:32 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I wanted to come back around to this, because the jars cased with straight verm out of the bag have now fruited once. Here's one:
 
Keep in mind these jars aren't straight grain. I split a quart of grain between two quart jars and colonized CVG in these kind of like any casing. The pinsets on top were amazing, and the verm obviously worked as a casing. That said, it was a bigger PITA to harvest and clean these guys than the casings I've done with straight coir.
Either way, it "works" fine. I ended up with a little over 300g wet from the first flush off two quart jars, just fruiting off the top.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: madyogi]
#27203610 - 02/13/21 12:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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I could tell you had bulk in there just based off the verm on the caps lol
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
#27204000 - 02/13/21 04:14 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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cronicr said: I could tell you had bulk in there just based off the verm on the caps lol
Yeah, verm's a bitch to clean off. I prefer to case with straight coir whether spawning to bulk or fruiting off grains at this point. I'm trying all kinds of methods now, though, just to see what works best.
This V-TEK thing has way fewer steps so it gets to fruiting faster for me, but I'm still dialing everything in, so efficiency in terms of yield per square inch or yield per $ spent on spawn is still an open question.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: madyogi] 1
#27204045 - 02/13/21 04:38 PM (2 years, 11 months ago) |
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Those zip-lock PP5s are fairly expensive and require washing if you want to reuse them. If you want efficiency then get yourself 32oz biodegradeable takeout containers. Same thing, different material and you can buy them FUCKING cheap. I think I think I'm paying 3-4.5 cents per units.
Again on the efficiency front. I take a 3/4 full glass jar of colonized WBS spawn and split it three ways. I do four in other containers and could probably get away with a lot less without impacting yields. However split three ways that means one run of my Presto will give me an output of 30 bottles.
Harvesting with flexible containers is easier as well, in my opinion. Just whomp the thing out and cut the fruits off.


Side pins can be a slut sometimes so now I don't even bother fruiting with the bottle. They colonize and pop out they come.

 More than enough humidiity without perlite in a monotub. When they're ripe, pull em out, cut em up and put them back. If any goes shitty before it's 3rd flush just replace it.
As for lowering spawn ratios and all that jazz. This is some Melmac MS in some little containers. 185ml of spawn per, so four little tubs per 3/4 full quart jar of spawn. Or 40 of these little tubs per PC run.
 The missing one from that tub.
 Again it's MS but I've got some clone cultures coming up to run the same way to give you an idea that you can yield like a motherfucker off of relatively tiny amounts of spawn.
Anyways that's the way I've been doing stuff lately. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: starbones]
#27249983 - 03/12/21 02:36 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Do these seem to be colonising Ok?
These are 6 days old now. Lids are tight. Should I crack them?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bongoman]
#27251706 - 03/13/21 06:38 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Those look good! Let them continue. Chances are you do not need to crack the lids, let’s see.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#27256018 - 03/16/21 06:35 PM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just a related question — after PC'ing brown rice in PP5's — do you give it a good shake after removing from PC? I find it pretty clumpy after PC'ing but aren't sure if shaking at this stage risks air coming through the threads and contaminating things.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bongoman]
#27256535 - 03/17/21 12:28 AM (2 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah brown rice can get pretty sticky after two cooks. That’s the main reason I like my hydrating cook to be slow and steady. At sub-boiling temperature, water will still saturate the grains and hydrate all the starches, but “pop” the starches less and destroy the fragile hull less, leaving a more intact grain. I also strain them very thoroughly, perhaps even forgetting about them until the next morning, depending on when that is. Don’t pressure cook rice that is already hot, and once you get familiar with using brown rice as a substrate you’ll recognize when your grains are too wet to stay relatively individual after sterilization.
If you try to shake them right out of the cooker, steam will billow out. It’s pretty damn hot on the hand holding it. I suggest waiting until the grains are cool enough to shake without trying to billow out fresh steam and possibly sucking in contaminated air to replace it.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#27276221 - 03/30/21 07:28 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Another quick question:
With cased PP5's, I find that harvesting and perhaps removing the odd side-pin disrupts the casing layer. I might remove the cake and lose some loose casing material in doing so.
Would you just patch up the casing layer at this point with fresh casing material?
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bongoman]
#27276433 - 03/30/21 10:47 PM (2 years, 9 months ago) |
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Nope, I wouldn’t. I expect the increasingly consumed and watered cake with its leftover casing layers to continue to find a way to pin without any new casing. Always works fine!
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#27427920 - 08/14/21 12:43 PM (2 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hey, Vi, new shroomery user, really interested in your tek. Really limited on space to grow with, but as a man of culture, I want to do some hardcore culture-hunting. Had a few questions, including one someone asked but no one seemed to answer.
I already have few jars of oats and rye I'm experimenting with, as well as a couple uncle bens brown rice bags colonizing right now, and I was wondering if once they're fully colonized, I could transfer them into a smaller plastic container and let them consolidate. I know this introduces a breakup that strict adherence to your tek avoids, but I'm working with what I have already. The bens bags are 250g/8.8oz so that seems like the right amount of grain? They're all running an isolation of some leggy PESH I grabbed directly off of one of my first bens bags and put to agar. Dunno how the fruits will come out.
Most of my experiments with smaller containers have resulted in side pin city and thin, skinny fruits. But that was also using mss, coir sub and high spawn ratios with popcorn. I'm mostly using PP5 32oz soup containers, but also experimenting with pastey's dialed-in venting tek at the same time. Lots of variables, I know.
So far my best small tub was a 50/50 brown rice/coir cake that I let fully colonize the top before fruiting. Fewer side pins, better looking fruits (but still kinda thin).
So I'm thinking I take one of my brown rice bags, break it up into a soup tub (maybe save an ounce for g2g), seal it up and forget about it for a week, then case it with CV, give it another few days to colonize the casing, introduce FC, and start bottom-watering when I see pins. (Yes, I've read of your disdain for verm, but again, working with what I already have mixed up on hand).
Other than starting from the ziplock containers, do I basically have the gist of your tek?
Thanks much, stay safe.
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Re: Bottom-watering [Re: Violet] 1
#27619046 - 01/14/22 07:03 PM (2 years, 14 days ago) |
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I wanted to share a bottom watering idea that I actually discovered by accident but worked very well with 1pt PF cakes (most cakes produced 5-7 flushes and one cake even produced a whopping 9 or 10 flushes...no lie!). I am curious if anybody else has tried this.
I used a clear storage tub (for lighting purposes) with the PF style spray shield and a drain hole in one corner for easy draining of excess water by tilting slightly and a hole on one top corner near the low end of the spray shield to insert the spray bottle nozzle.
The FC
 
I was having trouble with the cakes sliding around during harvesting, draining etc on the smooth plastic. Note the center of the tub is raised with a channel around the edges. I don't believe this idea would work if it was completely flat but comments ideas or experiences are welcome. I bought some of that silicone kitchen drawer liner that looks like a grid to use as a non slip mat.
FC Bottom and "Water Channel"
 
This can be covered with tape between mistings. The bottom hole also helps CO2 to "fall" out the bottom a little and eliminates the need for siphoning the excess water out. The grommet in the pictures was from when a humidifier was connected through a set of water bottles in series to trap the larger water droplets from the humidifier so as not to soak the cakes.
Humidify and Drain Holes
 
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Apologies for the long description of something most have read from PF's Tek but I thought an explanation for all the different parts was in order.
After the FC had been in operation for some time I noticed water collected in between these grids and did't drain away when I tilted the FC. As the cakes went through their flushes I noticed myc growing out around the base of the cakes and into the little "silicone water chambers" to the point that if the cake was lifted the mat was attached. It looked like the cakes had "rooted" (for lack of a better term) into the mat and were drawing water directly off the bottom. I got many additional fruits that grew out of the cake around the bottom. It also had an additional benefit of not placing the cakes directly in water but letting the myc seek the water out which it did quickly and vigorously. A 1/4" ring of rope-like myc surrounded each cake at it's base.
Non-Slip Silicone "Water-Collecting" & "Rooting" Mat
 
The only down side to this design is that something has to be placed under the drain to catch water that drains from the hole and it should be packed lightly with poly to keep gnats and such from entering while allowing CO2 at the bottom to pass through. More CO2 was removed with the humidifier due to the positive pressure provided by it. As mentioned before the cakes produced between 5-10 flushes each before failing with no contams.
They cakes are all nicely buried in soil in my old garden under grass clippings, leaves etc. Hopefully after this winter they will yield some pleasant surprises from time to time.
If anybody has ever stumbled upon or tried using the silicone mat I would like to hear your thoughts. Experimentation is a very necessary step to advancing in this hobby and as long as I lurked before becoming a member here I thought I would share a past experience in hopes it is helpful to somebody.4
Cheers and happy growing.
EDIT: Just realized this thread was not about originally about bottom watering so mods please move it to an appropriate thread if you feel it is necessary.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
#27666455 - 02/20/22 12:53 PM (1 year, 11 months ago) |
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 Works like a charm
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: SpectreOfCommunism]
#28128101 - 01/06/23 07:53 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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What is the expected yield (fresh mass over spawn mass) for a flush in using in-vitro method?
I am trying to establish a baseline
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Mercent]
#28128165 - 01/06/23 08:20 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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 Since this tek got revived
I was taught this tek by the same person that taught violet
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: OlSk00lFarmer]
#28128410 - 01/06/23 10:03 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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I love this method and Violet, and I now have a collection of PP5 containers because of this thread. Highly recommended newbies study this thread and a few related threads.
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: 1WithU] 1
#28128415 - 01/06/23 10:05 PM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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i recommend they dont.
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