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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Elegua]
    #25010252 - 02/21/18 10:17 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

i ment to ask this is the invitro pp5 thread but it has been closed

should 5050 blue chip leds be on 12/12 like the the standard 6500k?


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: thelanzii]
    #25010498 - 02/21/18 12:19 PM (5 years, 11 months ago)

Correct.


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Re: "Violet tek" & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: hamloaf]
    #25012862 - 02/22/18 10:09 AM (5 years, 11 months ago)

how long would pf-tek pods need to be sterilized for?  I don't have a pan adequate for steaming but i have a pc


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #25432867 - 09/03/18 12:06 PM (5 years, 4 months ago)

I was thinking violet had a no pour agar microwave tek, but cannot find it if there is one can someone link me to it.. thanks


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bakenast]
    #25812699 - 02/14/19 02:01 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

So why do you need to leave it 24-28hrs before repeating the procedure, id like to do in the morning 12 hours awy but nees the science.  Im onto this as someone said you used this for PE.  I have a slightly odd culture but wanted to try the casing method.

ATM its looking like this

A. B. C.

The jury is out but its my first time using PE

B is this one of the jars used for this
C is same culture after shake

The plate I took it from was tomentose


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bakenast]
    #25812726 - 02/14/19 02:11 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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I was thinking violet had a no pour agar microwave tek, but cannot find it if there is one can someone link me to it.. thanks



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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Edmunter]
    #25813373 - 02/14/19 07:59 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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So why do you need to leave it 24-28hrs before repeating the procedure, id like to do in the morning 12 hours awy but nees the science.  Im onto this as someone said you used this for PE.  I have a slightly odd culture but wanted to try the casing method.

ATM its looking like this

A. B. C.

The jury is out but its my first time using PE

B is this one of the jars used for this
C is same culture after shake

The plate I took it from was tomentose




Are you asking about the casing prep?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: ttching8475]
    #25813655 - 02/15/19 12:25 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, and what people think of my tub.  In the OP she mentions leaving the casing after microwaving for 24-28 hrs.  I enjoy the science and want to know why that length of time?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Edmunter]
    #25813849 - 02/15/19 05:22 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

As I recall, the theory is that the 24-28 hours gives any bacterial endospores which survived the first cook a chance to germinate and get killed off in the second pass.

I’ve tried doing both the two cook prep and just a single cook and didn’t have noticible differences so I just do one now.

The tub looks ok so far to me. How many days from spawning?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: ttching8475]
    #25814289 - 02/15/19 10:33 AM (4 years, 11 months ago)

10 days maybe


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Edmunter]
    #25815573 - 02/15/19 09:20 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

I’m not in love with the uncolonized patches right now, but it’s still early yet. I’d give it another day or two l to see how those fill in before casing those dicks.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: ttching8475]
    #25828511 - 02/21/19 06:31 PM (4 years, 11 months ago)

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Edmunter said:
Yes, and what people think of my tub.  In the OP she mentions leaving the casing after microwaving for 24-28 hrs.  I enjoy the science and want to know why that length of time?



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ttching8475 said:
As I recall, the theory is that the 24-28 hours gives any bacterial endospores which survived the first cook a chance to germinate and get killed off in the second pass.

I’ve tried doing both the two cook prep and just a single cook and didn’t have noticible differences so I just do one now.




I'll admit to knowing any science about it only peripherally. ttching was going the right way about bacteria. That second wave will reduce endospore stragglers that germinated during that time, as well as give *beneficial* bacteria - the ones that survive pasteurization - some time to expand a little bit before another treatment.

I don't think the time window really needs to be so strict, in fact I wouldn't be surprised if just a first cooking turned out to be plenty good just as often (I've done just a single cook too) so waiting 12hrs later would almost certainly be fine too.  But I was taught this technique directly from Anne Halonium and doing it the next day is what she told me she does, related to the fauna in the casing.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #25837814 - 02/25/19 08:53 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Hi Violent!

I find myself coming back to your tek often to brush up and prepare for a grow like this myself. I recently knocked up some WBS and Rye berries and have a few smaller containers going in addition to quart jars.

I don't mind the idea of bulk (especially mini bulks in strange containers :laugh:) but I am also interested in simple bottom watering in a humid chamber, like your tek lays out. Your results are awesome, and I understand that things take time to dial in....my question:

Can I accomplish ANYTHING decent with fully colonized rye berries/wbs if my tek is: be patient, bottom water, casing layer, SGFC or other humid chamber/tent?  Is grass seed essential (I understand for G2G speed and innocc points, it is) or will rye berries and wbs fruit out similarly?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bulbstoo] * 1
    #25839942 - 02/26/19 07:43 PM (4 years, 10 months ago)

Yes, most grains can be used to similar results, but you'll benefit even more from using a casing layer even invitro which is increasingly helpful/necessary for larger grains.

In fact before I started using grass seed all my original grow experiments were first on rye grain.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #26401173 - 12/26/19 04:41 AM (4 years, 1 month ago)

As a complete noob and this is only my third post I know this won't count much but let me say you have taken at least 75% of my confusion away. I truly thank you!


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Re: Fruiting grain cakes in containers [Re: Violet]
    #26854850 - 07/31/20 03:53 AM (3 years, 5 months ago)

Great teks violet! Thanks for sharing with a simple language that people like me who are starting can understand easily!


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Re: Fruiting grain cakes in containers [Re: polko]
    #26977408 - 10/09/20 06:03 PM (3 years, 3 months ago)

So, I thought I would post this here, since I'm currently running an experiment to compare the efficiency of this fruiting method vs standard grain to substrate method.

You can follow the progress in my journal entry Spawn-to-Bulk vs V-TEK Style Fruiting Experiment if you like.


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: madyogi]
    #26980812 - 10/12/20 01:44 AM (3 years, 3 months ago)

Subbed. So cool !!!


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Re: Biological efficiency & Yield [Re: Mtbromo]
    #27092136 - 12/16/20 12:57 PM (3 years, 1 month ago)

Just wanted to close the loop on my experiment.  The short answer is the V-TEK containers outperformed the grain-2-sub shoebox, but with some caveats.

Check out the results here - Spawn-to-Bulk vs V-TEK Experiment


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: tramalot]
    #27184581 - 02/03/21 01:36 PM (2 years, 11 months ago)

Just confirming that a 500ml PP5 container half full with grain and sealed tight has sufficient air for colonisation / consolidation?


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