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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23840012 - 11/16/16 08:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't like verm only casing. Wouldn't recommend it unless you already like them. I grew far away from verm before I started growing in ways like this, so I don't exactly have any experience-based details with this grow method


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24231966 - 04/10/17 08:54 AM (6 years, 9 months ago)

Marking this for later use.

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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24786305 - 11/16/17 04:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Violet, at last I am doing my first grow with your method. Did some writeup in my journal in case you want to see.

Thanks a lot, it is the most succesful and easiest grow i have ever done, yet still waiting for the fruits to rise.. 
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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
    #24787051 - 11/16/17 12:27 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hi mentat,
Thanks for the overdue bump.  Nice read!  Situations like yours, lack of availability of materials etc., are in fact one of the prime reasons I was motivated to share this method online.

The person who inspired my version of this methodology developed it growing high up in a populated 'hotel' apartment building, also outside the U.S. like you.
Her limitations were availability, weight, fragility, portability, discretion.  Equipment consisting entirely of AA910s, can-style tank propane burners, ziplocs and other useful plastics and totes to put them in, small powerful single material substrates and small chip LEDs, she focused first on having cultures that could adapt to yielding so highly off of pure grains with the water being fed gradually to the sub instead of colonized in it.  She became able to drain top yields off of grain with way fewer steps and materials and with material/energy use and waste small enough to not draw any attention, even when she boomed her grows up to large scale.

I just guess not everybody sees the forest thru the trees.  Too preoccupied convincing themselves my methods can't and don't deserve to compete with the ones they adopted, since they fully adopted so many extra steps, materials, etc., and have a thorough mental and philosophical investment in them.


The one concession I can make with this v-tek is that it pays off way way more for people willing to get into the isolation of ideal cultures, although even growing multi-spore this method, in particular the Pods version, is leaps and bounds *easier* than just about any full grow-out method known on the forum, so the payoff doesn't only appear in yield.

And personally I don't see adopting methodologies of superfluous labor and expense as a worthwhile price to pay to avoid culturing, especially since methods that ask for that much of a time/money/labor/learning investment also encourage people to culture anyway...


So, on that note, what kind of culture are you using?

Also, millet is a solid substrate for this tek! One of our three favorites/recommended. Glad you were able to find it instead of ordering unknown and costly ryegrass, or using even larger cereal grains.  Remember with some extra patience brown rice is also a great option.

Hope to see some photos of the grow when it takes off!


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24787111 - 11/16/17 01:17 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

thanks :smile:

i bought a strain called 'dutch king' 3 years ago and had 4 consecutive generations spore prints. I still am not sure if I do obtain MS or monoculture after 4-5 transfers. But the spawns develop healthy and quick. I also cleaned out some ecuador spores but at some point disinfectant spray messed up the ink on the petri lids so I lost the track. so noob! :facepalm3:


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24788652 - 11/17/17 06:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

i have a question..
peat is super expensive over here (could go up to 10 dollars per half a liter).
would you suggest I go with half on half coco coir-verm casing with gypsum and calcium carbonate? if so do you think I should pasteruize it..?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
    #24789066 - 11/17/17 09:45 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Wow...at that price you should be selling peat:crazy:


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #24789748 - 11/17/17 03:10 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Holy crap!

Yeah use whatever reasonable casing is available. Coir works and I like it alright. Verm I hate passionately but it works and if it's available to you then cool. Don't pay outrageous prices like that for peat.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24793157 - 11/19/17 07:59 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

violet i am preparing to try the grain petri tek for stronger genetics.

have a couple of questions as usual.. :smile:

one thing that confuses me with agar isolation is that, when spores or the wedge takes off, it grows weak in the beginning and then stronger growth seems to come over the former growth. after 4-5 days, I see on my plates some ropy growth but not on the edges, somewhere in the mid circle. What I have read so far tells me to choose from the edge always, but if the rizomorphic growth is in the middle, is that ok to take the sample from there as well?

second question is about the grain petri. after inoculation and expansion, how do you pin it. it was not specified how exactly you have done it so maybe you could elaborate a little on that.

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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: mentat]
    #24799663 - 11/22/17 10:09 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Hi again mentat,
Sorry for the delay, but I'm also a bit disappointed that apparently nobody else will answer normal myco questions when they're in my threads.

I know the grain petri part is gonna be a bit more specific to me but that's also disappointing, as it still seems that effectively nobody around what is supposed to be the most knowledgeable, experienced, open-minded, helpful, curious and experimental forum is able or willing to answer for these simple methods as well.


What you're first describing happening on agar can be thought of for brevity as the mycelium developing fully.  This happens as it grows out into its first medias, as well as when different dikaryotes are able to begin pulling away from each other, as per isolation.  Mycelium gets is pace up not only in its initial post-germ spread, but also after each new inoculation as it establishes a hold on new media to power faster growth out into more of it, and it is more common for it to change appearance some as it does it than for it not to.  Even something like a flash of fresh air, like opening my containers, can cause a 'ring' change in growth appearance or stoke sectors to show a different side.

Take growth from the leading edge.  The 'rhizomorphic' mycelium you describe in the middle is unlikely to actually be ropey culture growth but something a consolidating culture is doing.  You're wanting to see that linear rhizo growth in new growth.  Which may not always happen on agar... you'll see how media factors like nutrient, nutrient density of different nutrients, and firmness of media have a hand in how the growth looks and that it's not always about the culture alone.


As for the grain petris, pinning conditions are initiated with gas exchange, by cracking the lid slightly loose once mycelium has reached the whole of the outer edges of the substrate.  It's the same procedure for pinning Pods containers, except you won't crack them nearly as loosely as is possible with deeper larger amounts of substrate, especially when cased, in a pod container. These things could dry out easily and you want to avoid that, and you also are looking for cultures that will pin strongly even in high CO2 conditions. We don't want our best cultures to be divas about air if we can avoid it which we kinda can.

Take extra note of the time I say to initiate pinning conditions, because that can also play a hand in stopping the culture from running up the plastic where it will be much more likely to form its pins instead, giving you a bit less of keen perspective on the culture's willingness to fruit directly from recently colonized nutritious subsrate.  Mycelium's main pinning condition is a location where it doesn't have to digest strong food mere nanometers away.
It may still run up the plastic anyway.  But that's alright. Such differences being able to appear is a part of why I use this method.


Remember you're not so much getting better genetics out of your spores this way, so much as using an organized method of observing cultural traits and quickly tossing the lesser performers before you even have to fruit them, reducing the culture load to the more desirable traits - knowing more about what you're dealing with and without hundreds of plates of agar running blind cultures.


Grain petri tek is not for the impatient hungry grower, it's for the patient cuture hound.  I don't care if I put a full grow out off for 3 or 4 whole months if it means I don't inoc a single container with anything less than a great culture.  Frankly hunting for cultures alone grows me well more than I could possibly bring mysef to eat.  Culture hunting has become like the entirety of my growing, personally.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24803794 - 11/24/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 2 months ago)

So overall, what's the conjecture on using this tek or a very similar one for edibles?

Specifically, oysters, kings and poplars.

Poplars morphologically are like cubes without the psilopsybin.

I know every edible grower has had their old grain jars start pinning on them, but has anyone been able to get decent yields with straight, cased, bottom-watered grains with ANY edibles?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: gourmet]
    #24804141 - 11/24/17 01:25 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

All the slander, drama/blaming, and ostracizing on this forum has been effective in stifling the forum's knowledge of, therefore use, therefore experience with, therefore knowledge about, this tek.
I'm disappointed to say, don't expect to hear very much from anyone but me.

I haven't tried it much with edibles but mostly for the reason I already know it wouldn't be so great - these containers aren't holding a lot of bulk substrate.
It's designed mostly with cubensis in mind thanks to its abilities draining yield off of whole grains.

Many gourmet species cannot grow exclusively from whole grains at all, and when they do they're limited by water. Of course this tek was designed to be watered but it just doesn't pay off nearly as much for edibles, mostly because they're edibles you know?

The next reason is fruit appearance. Mushrooms like Lion's Mane, Oyster, etc either look way way better growing from the side of their substrates or essentially require it.

Mushrooms like Enoki could probably do well in the Pods version.

All in all, I wouldn't say these methods are well suited for gourmets, though anything you can put the right sub in, sterilize, and inoculate, can grow mushrooms.

BTW it would probably moreso resemble Muda's bottle tek which is based on this tek but larger amounts of sub since bulk is included.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet] * 1
    #24804168 - 11/24/17 01:37 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

U ok violet? I know you had a rough go in the past but I'm sure that's behind u's all and people are only leaving you to answer out of respect or at least that's my thinking..I avoid other people's tek I'd they are still active especially when the questions are directly asked to the the op.
My advise...dust that camera off and show these guys what's up:wink:
I would agree to the reasons you stated above and also add cost into the factor...when growing edibles it is a game of pennies so low spawn ratios to get the most bang for your buck but I would indeed encourage to try it out.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #24804230 - 11/24/17 06:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

I bet Kings would do well for edibles using this method. Temperature comes in to play tho

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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: bodhisatta]
    #24804371 - 11/24/17 07:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Kings were the one I was thinking I would do it with. But I'd still recommend full quart sawdust ziploc bottles.  Really enjoyed doing kings that way but it wasn't worth the temp control pains.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: cronicr]
    #24804503 - 11/24/17 08:28 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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cronicr said: dust that camera off and show these guys what's up;)




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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24804514 - 11/24/17 08:33 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

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Kings were the one I was thinking I would do it with. But I'd still recommend full quart sawdust ziploc bottles.  Really enjoyed doing kings that way but it wasn't worth the temp control pains.



I think Shiitake and reishi would do well, also using this Tek with a few modifications to the substrate recipe.  Mainly replacing the dung, and or coir with sawdust.  1:1:1:1 sawdust/vermiculite/water/bran.


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: hamloaf]
    #24804537 - 11/24/17 08:46 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Reishi definitely does nicely, especially for those cool around-the-house bonsai like displays.
If you keep stock of both Ziploc sizes, you can let antlers grow tall inside quart ziplocs with cracked lids, then transfer the cake to pint containers and water them once the antlers are the height you'd like them to switch to conks at.
cronicr I think that would especially fall into your interests.

Shiitake I do not suspect would do great since they want to grow lumps all around the substrate and don't top-fruit especially well. Definitely one of the surface-area species.

But like I've said you can grow all manners of mushrooms this way, just to varying quality or quantity.

Really that might be a nice aside to using this tek, single-step growing gourmet cakes before deciding to get into throw-away bags etc. and large fruiting chambers.

This tek / pods / culture tek are great for beginners or hobbyists or cubensis nerds while still having incredible expansive ability.  It wouldn't have such expansive power for gourmets but for the hobbyist it could still be a valuable experiment or first taste in edibles (pun intended).


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: Violet]
    #24804542 - 11/24/17 08:49 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)

Have you ever worked with any pans in the pods?


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Re: V-Tek & Easy Casing layers • Growing from watered whole grains in screw-lid plastics [Re: TheMadHatter420]
    #24804547 - 11/24/17 08:51 PM (6 years, 2 months ago)







No idea if I did this correctly it has been forever since I read the specifics of your original write up


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