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Pastywhyte
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr] 1
#19166510 - 11/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
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TheMustardTiger


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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Aero]
#19166562 - 11/20/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
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MustardTiger66 said:
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Aero said:
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
It's because this type of question gets posted all the time all the while there's 100s of threads out there that already addressed the possible reasons and info.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166582 - 11/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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 theres no right answer here, all we can do is make suggestions
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19166583 - 11/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: 2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
Seriously? 2g dry cubensis is far from nothing. Most, if not all people, without tolerance, will trip nicely off that much if genetics aren't crap.
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2.5g-3.5g
2 grams is nothing and doesn't make you trip but, 2.5 will? :shrugs:
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always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
Not true.
OP, I would take 2 grams yourself before coming to the conclusion your shrooms are impotent.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19166595 - 11/20/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
Makes sense. This was my first grow so I'm sure luck, and few mistakes on my end caused this catastrophe. Switching to agar and grains next go around. I need to get a hold of a good print first; this experience with internet-bought spore syringes has made me weary. Thanks for the input, bud.
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try pans, always consistent even with ms
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: shroomdust]
#19166605 - 11/20/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: 2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
Seriously? 2g dry cubensis is far from nothing. Most, if not all people, without tolerance, will trip nicely off that much if genetics aren't crap.
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2.5g-3.5g
2 grams is nothing and doesn't make you trip but, 2.5 will? :shrugs:
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always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
Not true.
OP, I would take 2 grams yourself before coming to the conclusion your shrooms are impotent.
Definitely doing so when the next flush rolls in.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166610 - 11/20/13 05:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I've had 3.5g many times of varying potency and even the craziest one I would still walk around and buy lunch. Shit I bought a get rad album on more than an eighth one dude knew i was fuckedbut oh well
Potency varies a lot with MS
but if you get a good potency MS/clone and mushroom chocolates even 3.5g can be intense :-)
powder in chocolates seems to intensify the experience a bit vs eating them regular in large pieces
more surface area, 3g can make me one with everything often
but its been a few months sine Ive last tripped.. chocolates just seems to intensify a bit/and more pleasant trip too (no nausea)
to the ones saying full stomach tripping is good: I once took 3.5g chocolates on full stomach then I decided they didnt work so I ate 1.5g chocolates more after 2 hours where nothing had happened my mind is new since ;-) heh suddenly they all hit at once it seemed
fast/eat very lightly/healthy, turn off+hide phone, be alone - my #1 rule in tripping
chocolates is even more love than an ordinary trip , try it.. worth the time, best way of eating them IMO
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Its all genetics IMO. My first grow I ate 4 grams and got nothing. A week later I tried 4 more grams from the same cake and got destroyed. Spore syringes will work just fine on agar, you just need to isolate good genetics and grow those
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19166639 - 11/20/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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seems likely....
Ive tried that as well, where 5-6g did nothing on straw (due to bacteria in grow and the shrooms trying to outgrow it.. or weak genetis)
and much variation with MS, first batch nothing on 3.5-4g, next batch very intense on 3.5-4g
but BRF is usually very potent compared to straw in my limited experience somehow all straw attempts have been pretty weak potency
(even with a clone that was strong on BRF it seems)
have tried ordinary BRF cakes maybe 15 times, and the 10 of those times with MS they were very potent, the other times they didnt even make me trip with 4g ...but sometimes/often next flush is much stronger iirc
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166655 - 11/20/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said:
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MustardTiger66 said:
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Aero said:
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
It's because this type of question gets posted all the time all the while there's 100s of threads out there that already addressed the possible reasons and info.
I searched the forums and didn't find anything useful so I made a thread in the hopes I would get some help. Even if this particular problem is ubiquitous, I don't see how flexing your dick around on a thread helps at all. I wasn't looking for a clear-cut answer, just some direction. What I wasn't looking for, was a surplus of bros telling me to man up and take more. My friend and I are no strangers to eating these mushrooms; However, we are very new to cultivation. Throughout our travels, 2 grams has ALWAYS been plenty, hence my confusion as to why more than that did nothing this time around. I've ruled out tolerance issues here. I'm leaning more towards a cultivation error, bad spores, etc..
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bad spores lol.
I gave you all the info there is to know a few pages back
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bodhisatta said: It depends on genetics. When using spores to start you'll have 1000s of strains in your PF cake and numerous strains will get together to make a MS fruit which may or may not be potent. Take clones and isolate strains from your fruits on agar then grow them out and keep the strains that were potent. You can find a potent strain in B+, GT, AA+ etc... all of the varieties will be able to produce potent strains if you select for potent strains on agar in 10000s of spores a few of them are going to be real winners find them and keep em around.
Rule of thumb. Eat them till you're full or at least 3.5 if they're not ones you grew from a potent isolate and even if they are deal with it and eat them.
This is like pot. Should one bowl do it for everyone? If you couldn't find a heap 1000s of threads deep about this stuff you should check your search engine tek.
No ones trying to be a dick but we have fun with these threads.
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wouldn't be a cult error, contams are a cult error, thats just shitty luck don't sweat it we answer q's that get asked everyday no matter what, you may take some flak for it but the point is you learn shit when you ask q's, good luck on your next journey
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166702 - 11/20/13 06:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: bad spores lol.
I gave you all the info there is to know a few pages back
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bodhisatta said: It depends on genetics. When using spores to start you'll have 1000s of strains in your PF cake and numerous strains will get together to make a MS fruit which may or may not be potent. Take clones and isolate strains from your fruits on agar then grow them out and keep the strains that were potent. You can find a potent strain in B+, GT, AA+ etc... all of the varieties will be able to produce potent strains if you select for potent strains on agar in 10000s of spores a few of them are going to be real winners find them and keep em around.[/
Rule of thumb. Eat them till you're full or at least 3.5 if they're not ones you grew from a potent isolate and even if they are deal with it and eat them.
This is like pot. Should one bowl do it for everyone? If you couldn't find a heap 1000s of threads deep about this stuff you should check your search engine tek.
No ones trying to be a dick but we have fun with these threads.
While I don't understand cloning yet, I do appreciate this information; it does she'd some light on this problem I'm having. Many thanks.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Violet]
#19166923 - 11/20/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Violet said: 2.5 is more than most who eat mine will usually take. Much more than that and they start to feel like it's too much.
OP's weak flush is likely related to genetics, but I bet it's not genes alone. MS is wildcard but even MS is unlikely to be bunk given certain facets of procedure.
For instance, my question for you MustardTiger: Did you 'consolidate' your cakes ample time after colonized? 7 days is considered a suggestive minimum for PF cake consolidation, and in general for freshly-colonized grain food. Consolidation helps assure proper strength. Rushed fruits are more likely to be pale in potency.
I've experienced higher potency with increased colonization/consolidation times, too--and this was on grain. It was actually not really intentional, but I ended up leaving a few jars of grain that I planned on spawning to bulk fully colonized for 3 weeks. PrimalSoup was doing a project on this, which I didn't know about until after the jars were spawned. I thought, "Huh…we'll just have to see how this turns out…" Mr. Buffalo (unaware of all of this and really not giving two shits about how this is all done) commented that this harvest was much stronger than previous harvests. Conventional wisdom is that consolidation is only done for cakes to make them more cakey, and you should spawn to bulk at 100% for grain. So maybe there's something to this "consolidation to add potency" business. What have you got to lose by waiting a few weeks?
I'm curious how this has worked out for others.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: lessismore]
#19166942 - 11/20/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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mio said: powder in chocolates seems to intensify the experience a bit vs eating them regular in large pieces
more surface area, 3g can make me one with everything often
but its been a few months sine Ive last tripped.. chocolates just seems to intensify a bit/and more pleasant trip too (no nausea)
to the ones saying full stomach tripping is good: I once took 3.5g chocolates on full stomach then I decided they didnt work so I ate 1.5g chocolates more after 2 hours where nothing had happened my mind is new since ;-) heh suddenly they all hit at once it seemed
fast/eat very lightly/healthy, turn off+hide phone, be alone - my #1 rule in tripping
chocolates is even more love than an ordinary trip , try it.. worth the time, best way of eating them IMO
I'm totally making this. What's your recipe?
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MustardTiger66 said:
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Pastywhyte said: I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
Makes sense. This was my first grow so I'm sure luck, and few mistakes on my end caused this catastrophe. Switching to agar and grains next go around. I need to get a hold of a good print first; this experience with internet-bought spore syringes has made me weary. Thanks for the input, bud.
Don't dismiss the power of cakes. I've heard people say they consistently get better potency with cakes. Maybe it's the consolidation thing.
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Edited by BittrBuffalo (11/20/13 10:26 PM)
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Pastywhyte
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I haven't grown off cakes in 2 years. But personally I feel that potency is genetic anyway and has little to do with the substrate used.
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I've had good luck with .....
Dude, pretty sure you don't mention suppliers.
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