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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: egodeathflux]
#19165256 - 11/20/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what implications are you talking about?
I'm aware that the system isn't perfect, all we can do is try to make it work for as many people as possible.
in the implication you stated, I think it's stupid that someone would keep smoking weed if they had a hungry child and the only way they could feed it is with foodstamps.
as I said, small price to pay, no?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19165303 - 11/20/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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typical republiKKKan
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: lurkmode]
#19165334 - 11/20/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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excellent contribution to the discussion.
I'm not a republican at all but I am definitely fiscally conservative
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19165447 - 11/20/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Radel was elected in 2012 to represent Florida's 19th Congressional District, which includes the Gulf Coast communities of Fort Myers and Naples. He was a radio host before becoming a congressman. He identifies himself on his Twitter profile as a "Hip Hop conservative" and "lover of #liberty," and his Twitter account has remained active in the past few weeks, including on the day of the bust. Among the bills he co-sponsored during his freshman term is legislation that would allow a judge to impose a sentence below a mandatory minimum, including for drug offenses. If Radel had been arrested in Florida with the same amount of cocaine it would be a third-degree felony punishable by five years in prison under state law.
At least this guy is not a completely hypocritical twat.
I do not generally support drug testing as it currently exists, but as long as it is legal for me to be tested by potential or current employers, I see no reason recipients of welfare should not be subject to the same testing.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Ojom]
#19165455 - 11/20/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Good find Ojom
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19165624 - 11/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: sure, but making sure the UA's are completely random so they don't know when it will be. this guarantees a better chance of catching them
You are a heartless asshole! You're not only okay with adults starving, but you're okay with their children starving just because their father's friend gave him a bong hit last week. You have no soul. And you call yourself a fiscal conservative, but they've already proven that drug tests cost the tax payer more money than it saves. You're just buying into the anti-poor (yet somehow "pro-life") conservative propaganda.
I'll bet you aren't concerned in the least about billion dollar corporate subsidies and our bloated, wasteful military budget. But you sit around and worry that some pot smoker might be able to feed his family. You are everything that is wrong with society.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19165639 - 11/20/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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if my kid was starving I wouldn't be smoking weed knowing I could be drug tested
I might disagree with you on this issue but I think it's far-reaching to call me a heartless asshole. I've said now three times that I'm not against food stamps at ALL. I think they're a great safety net for people who are down on their luck.
I also spend 16 hours a day preparing myself for a career which will involve taking a salary about 50% lower than other people with my qualifications so that I can work for the underserved. heartless, yeah that's me.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19165807 - 11/20/13 02:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay, maybe I took it too far. Sorry. But you obviously are either against food stamps, or you're not sympathetic enough to pot smokers, or both. That's bad.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19165957 - 11/20/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I love when crap like this surfaces
they don't get tested
they get healthcare
they don't get minimum wage etc.
it's like when that hippie hater goverment dude gets caught dressin as a girl and is pedo
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap] 1
#19165968 - 11/20/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you either give money to homeless people or you don't
fuck off with the food stamp hating people!
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19166049 - 11/20/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: I am not positive but I think the decision of whether or not to test food stamp recipients for drugs remains at the state level
yes it is entirely a state administered program not federal. ALso, I agree with NWLIGHT, if someone NEEDS food assistance or WIC they need to be able to be accountable. It is a privilege. Just like driving a car or getting the GI BILL. Anyone here who can't see the logic needs to pull their heads out of their asses.
that being said Marijuana should be legalized and should cost $1/gr and be available in the produce section next to the chives and be available to people on food stamps. NOT heroin, cocaine, opium, etc...
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
#19166082 - 11/20/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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the only one ignore the facts is YOU!
anyway, opiates do absolutely nothing to you, granted you shouldn't mix them with alcohaul but i know that and I've never taken not like they are going to start selling alcohol with opiates in them
why should we care anyway, people die of aspirin all the time
it's just a drug
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap] 1
#19166091 - 11/20/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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IMO food stamps are not a privalage, if you are a citizen of the country I think you are entitled to some benefits if you can't find a job that pays enough
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166116 - 11/20/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19166150 - 11/20/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: you either give money to homeless people or you don't
fuck off with the food stamp hating people!
I was referring to handing them cash vs. donating to a non-profit that helps them actually escape their situation.
I am also very pro-foodstamps, it's a great program.
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Illyabo said: IMO food stamps are not a privalage, if you are a citizen of the country I think you are entitled to some benefits if you can't find a job that pays enough
It certainly is a privilege, your existence is being enabled by the work of others. That is a privilege. You are not entitled to free food.
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Learyfan said: Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.
Many people in the world are starving and if I'm going to be paying for someone's food stamps they better be able to prove they aren't wasting time and money getting high.
Using public funds means you have to be accountable.
as I said earlier,
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Free food is a huge fucking deal, there are lots of hungry people in the world and if someone can't stop getting high to be eligible I have zero pity
nobody is stopping people from getting the food stamps but themselves because it is their choice to get intoxicated and spend money they don't have while taking mine.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
#19166196 - 11/20/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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what business is it of yours what someone does in their free time?
you think our country was built on people just paying to get by?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166217 - 11/20/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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please explain to me a situation whereby you'd want to give money to someone for food and then they spent it on drugs instead.
would you keep giving them money?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19166218 - 11/20/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.

because if people cant manage their foodstamps without trading them for drugs they need to find assistance elsewhere.
I am NOT SAYING they shouldnt get fed, i'm just saying they should seek assistance elsewhere.
There are other food programs designed to help people in those exact situations. You can get free meal at a couple churches around town and there are foodbanks that hand out food "no questions asked" to people in need. I have been there and done that so if you want to argue with me about it you will only be showing me what an idiot you are.
opiate drugs are bad when abused. Opiate drugs are an absolute godsend when used appropriately as directed by a physician.
i do not think you mean what you think you mean...
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19166227 - 11/20/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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NWlight said: please explain to me a situation whereby you'd want to give money to someone for food and then they spent it on drugs instead.
would you keep giving them money?
lol they're farm subsidies worked out by pandering to republicans
no body is getting free labor out of it, the food is thrown out because it adds to the food monopoly
to think a citizen can't have food, shelter and recreation is something north korea could have came up with
are you goin to pay when their children are taking away and they go to jail?
they give felonies to people for using drugs, don't you know?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166271 - 11/20/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am failing to see the relevance of what you're saying.
I appreciate its value, however, as an important moral stance
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