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Icelander
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Diploid]
#19220901 - 12/03/13 07:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I take time to whine daily myself.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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Libertin
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Icelander]
#19220945 - 12/03/13 07:33 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: No one gets to the "root" of their problems... And we are all dependent imo. Some of us can use socially sanctioned dependencies and tell ourselves that we are so very different from the others and don't have any but I don't buy it. I hear a lot of that bs around here.
That's some wisdom right there.
"We are all dependent" is a beautifully succinct way to summarise what I think about the issue. I equate the 'root' of the problem to the human condition, it is inescapable. It is simply in our nature; perpetual restlessness and dissatisfaction - as deep rooted as any of our instincts. Futile grasping in the search for meaning, satisfaction and wholeness.
Some people over eat, others over exercise, or smoke weed, obsess, gamble, drink, etcetera.
We all yearn.
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Icelander
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Libertin]
#19220971 - 12/03/13 07:46 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And some people read books on spirituality and philosophy and pontificate.
In the end they are quite similar in effect.
-------------------- "Don't believe everything you think". -Anom. " All that lives was born to die"-Anom. With much wisdom comes much sorrow, The more knowledge, the more grief. Ecclesiastes circa 350 BC
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LunarEclipse
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MarkostheGnostic said: Your opinion is just that - YOUR opinion, which is completely tainted by your emotional reactivity and is nothing more than a piss-poor attempt to insult me. Try harder if that's who you are. Also, try re-reading my responses until you understand what I wrote, then you won't see the hypocrisy you want to see. Maybe you should PM me so I can explain it to you. Personal problem? Really? Play nicely. 
You make claims that hash is different from weed and that one is somehow better at least for you. Of course, both are somehow bad because that's your opinion. Other than satisfying the smell brain with the hash.
So yeah, I think that's hypocritical.
Then you make some claim that if you were to smoke weed again you might do some douchebaggy things or even become a douchebag. Your words. I don't see the connection from weed to douchebaggery. It seems like an excuse, like when people drink and say things they don't mean when they really do.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19221202 - 12/03/13 09:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You make claims that hash is different from weed and that one is somehow better at least for you.
No. You need to read more carefully. Then you might not come to ridiculous conclusions like this! That is certainly not my absurd conclusion.
Then you make some claim that if you were to smoke weed again you might do some douchebaggy things or even become a douchebag. Your words.
Never said anything of the sort. YOUR thoughts, NOT my words. I said if I drink too much wine, and behave like a jerk, my wife lets me know, politely. I'm not afraid of being a "douchbag." It is not something I've been accused of since junior high school, and my peers don't talk like they're in junior high school any more. I simply do not want to use something that made me unfocused, forgetful, fuzzy-minded, and somewhat stupid in the past, just because it feels good. If I suffer from anxiety, I'm going to attack the root-problem, not cover up the feelings with drugs. I do therapy on myself, including the use of Yogas for doing depth-psychology. If you haven't experienced negative symptoms from cannabis yet, how nice for you. If you have, but you're in denial, or if you don't care about clarity of mind, then again, we have nothing further to discuss.
Best advice: Stop responding to me on this thread. You're not getting it and I'm weary of trying to clarify a singularly unimportant point. I have nothing to discuss if it's a discussion about something I simply do not want, need, do, or care about doing. Meanwhile, you are trying to defend something that YOU choose to do, but why be defensive to me when I'm not attacking your position? I don't care if you smoke pot. I have spoken plainly. It's not that I have spoken hypocritically, you are confused.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Icelander]
#19221213 - 12/03/13 09:25 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Icelander said: And some people read books on spirituality and philosophy and pontificate.
In the end they are quite similar in effect.
We're all human, but it's the measure of cynicism, indifference, or hostility that varies in proportion to the philosophy we adopt.
-------------------- γνῶθι σαὐτόν - Gnothi Seauton - Know Thyself
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CosmicJoke
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MarkostheGnostic said: it takes some time to acclimate yourself to cannabis
This is precisely what I do not want to do. The cannabinoids are fat soluble, and I have seen microtome sections of brain cells of a regular user present as amber-colored, not clear. Perhaps this effect is akin to seeing life through "rose-colored glasses," seeing through amber-colored Purkinje and Pyramidal cells. One quickly develops tolerance to most drugs requiring increased dosages, but with sufficient levels of THC stored in brain tissue, less may actually be required simply to initiate a threshold effect. People here often say that they no longer have to imbibe as much as they used to. There's a reason for that - retention of THC in the neuronal tissue. When I began to use cannabis products in '69, I remember having to smoke 6 times before I finally 'got stoned.' The stuff was maybe 4-7% THC back then compared to 20+% as it can be today. We used to say that you had to 'acquire a head,' which was to say, build up enough THC in one's brain in order to cross a threshold for inebriation to occur.
So much of your information is anecdotal in nature that I can't help but find it discouraging. I just spent some time googling (something I have a knack for) for any information regarding discoloration of brain cells due to habitual marijuana usage and found nothing relevant. Can you point me towards anything I can also see? I too did not get high for the first handful of attempts at smoking pot, but they were also awkward, clumsy experiences for me as a non-smoker who had never so much as had a cigarette - everything from lighting a pipe to holding down a hit was a challenge, as well as having no idea what to expect. I'd be interested to see what happens to somebody whose first experience was a good ganja cookie or tincture. My bet is they do get high, but I'm not certain. Also, I never seem to turn up much information on the potency of cannabis over time, aside from propaganda sites trying to stir up fears about 21st century space weed, giving me the impression that you were all savages, smoking seed and stemmed packed Mexican brick weed.
-------------------- Everything is better than it was the last time. I'm good. If we could look into each others hearts, and understand the unique challenges each of us faces, I think we would treat each other much more gently, with more love, patience, tolerance, and care. It takes a lot of courage to go out there and radiate your essence. I know you scared, you should ask us if we scared too. If you was there, and we just knew you cared too.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19221829 - 12/03/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I think the reason most people don't get high their first time is because they aren't smoking it right. They can't inhale it deeply into their lungs and often don't smoke enough. My first time I was made sure I smoked enough and held it down to where I got the highest I've ever been.
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I just spent some time googling (something I have a knack for) for any information regarding discoloration of brain cells due to habitual marijuana usage and found nothing relevant.
I'm interested in this as well.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19222038 - 12/03/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I'll have to look myself for the photomicrographs I saw long ago of resin-permeated brain tissue. I DID have to clean seeds and stems for years, and we used to use an open 2-record album for cleaning the grass. The seeds and stems would roll-slide to the center fold. When we were just starting out, we even tried smoking crushed seeds! (Harsh! Yecch!). I also found the process of smoking a challenge, since I too never smoked a ciggy. Mexican was most common, then Jamaican. Colombian was the most potent, sometimes almost green-black in color. Thai sticks came later and were the priciest. Once in a while, the famed 'Acapulco Gold' would be around, which was gold in color, or 'Panama Red.' Once I had Indian ganja. There were a lot more names around than actual types I think.
Hashish ranged from cellophane wrapped, elephant-stamped, Indian white bone-hash (which I never tried) to pale yellow 'blond' hash that came in darker and darker 'blonds' to a light, gooey green 'kif.' Then there was the blond to tan colors that moved to brown 'Afghani' hash. I also had a 'Red Lebanese' hash on occasion. Lastly, there were 'black' hashishes, which I think were U.S. concoctions using solvents. Sometimes white stripes ran through them and they were called 'opiated hash.' Not my favorite, there may have been pine tars or turpentine in them. I once saw green and red checkerboard patterns across my parents' pool after smoking some of that.
One guy who used to make delivery with a suitcase filled with 1/2 lb. aluminum foil wrapped slabs, either had a Shepherd attack dog on a short lease, or later, an Uzi machine-pistol. This was a disturbing development of the peace-love vibe, of actually dealing with professional dealers. A number of people simply had their pet-plant in their closet with a lamp on it, and smoked the fallen leaves in college dorms. Not very strong I'm sure, but like growing your own mushrooms (although not yet in the early 70s, that didn't begin til maybe '79 or '80), you didn't have to mix with more the seriously criminal element.
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