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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Hobozen]
#19209193 - 11/30/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blankk said: 100% sativa 0% indica. I was speaking from experience,.paranoia is what I get from it It does seem unusual that someone would continue to use a drug despite negative consequences. Bunch of minsinformed addicts! 
Are you using it now? You seem in a bit upset the misplaced period concerns me. Of course I could be minsinformed.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19209200 - 11/30/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Mary Jane is a beauty indeed..
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19209230 - 11/30/13 04:40 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blankk said: 100% sativa 0% indica. I was speaking from experience,.paranoia is what I get from it It does seem unusual that someone would continue to use a drug despite negative consequences. Bunch of minsinformed addicts! 
Are you using it now? You seem in a bit upset the misplaced period concerns me. Of course I could be minsinformed.
Stop fuckin with me! And yes I am stoned, for the first time in months, and you know what it's this thread that did it to me. Pardon my cell phone hands.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Hobozen]
#19209336 - 11/30/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blankk said: 100% sativa 0% indica. I was speaking from experience,.paranoia is what I get from it It does seem unusual that someone would continue to use a drug despite negative consequences. Bunch of minsinformed addicts! 
Are you using it now? You seem in a bit upset the misplaced period concerns me. Of course I could be minsinformed.
Stop fuckin with me! And yes I am stoned, for the first time in months, and you know what it's this thread that did it to me. Pardon my cell phone hands.
Now it's this thread that "made" you get stoned. Of course it's me fuckin with you, not your poor decision to break down. Next you will be blaming the weed again. It's a vicious cycle.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19209367 - 11/30/13 05:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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There are "cannabis counselors". If you get paranoid while stoned, it's some part of your life that's gone astray and not the cannabis itself. To them the weed is like a mirror.
Don't ask me what I think about that.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke] 1
#19209386 - 11/30/13 05:33 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Never thought he was saying that all use is abuse. Generally my experience is that people who use it throughout the day every day don't have a lot going on upstairs. But then they might have not anyway. 
I can't think of a single drug that can be used all throughout the day every day without negative consequences, it's peculiar that cannabis would be singled out in such regards 
I'm not singling it out. This thread is about cannabis.
Except all cannabis users do not habitually smoke all day and every day... Vilifying the plant is absurd, which is why I give MtG's post a . Cannabis didn't do any of that to him, imho, his problems were cultural in nature (involving lack of education and guidance in using the drug properly) that led to his excessive use and poor academics.
I never said all cannabis users smoke all day every day. The term stoners implies that however and that is the group he was discussing. You keep going from extreme to extreme to defend something, imo, no one is attacking. Get over this. And who is the arbitrator of what is the proper use of the drug???
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Icelander]
#19209402 - 11/30/13 05:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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I never said all cannabis users smoke all day every day. The term stoners implies that however and that is the group he was discussing. You keep going from extreme to extreme to defend something, imo, no one is attacking. Get over this. And how are you the arbitrator of what is the proper use of the drug???
Well, apparently we read his post very differently, so we'll just have to let him settle this matter.
MarkostheGnostic - are there situations where recreational use of marijuana is not detrimental to one's health/psyche, or do you believe that this is always the case? Let's have it.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19209411 - 11/30/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might have to get him up out of bed. He's old and goes to bed around 4pm.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19209453 - 11/30/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: Well, apparently we read his post very differently, so we'll just have to let him settle this matter.
This was his first post in this thread after all...
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 Pot amplifies the negatives. It made me paranoid (hash on the other hand, did not). Now, however, is neither the time to wax paranoid, nor to court dementia.
I couldn't take the rest of his arguments seriously after reading this one.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Hobozen]
#19209697 - 11/30/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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blankk said: There are "cannabis counselors". If you get paranoid while stoned, it's some part of your life that's gone astray and not the cannabis itself. To them the weed is like a mirror.
Don't ask me what I think about that.
Gawd that music sucks. No wonder you are bummed.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19209754 - 11/30/13 06:59 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You just need to smoke the right weed to be able to enjoy its heartbeat like, repetitive nature. It's not the music's fault you can't keep up with the times.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Hobozen]
#19209821 - 11/30/13 07:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's no surprise you are getting paranoid and worse from listening to that techno crap. The weed can't have any Blame for that garbage.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: LunarEclipse]
#19209887 - 11/30/13 07:37 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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What? Can't hear you
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Hobozen]
#19211497 - 12/01/13 08:21 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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The thing that unites as of us that smoke weed is that we lie to ourselves to rationalize the abuse of something that is not a medicine or some tool for spiritual awakening, it is a drug, a drug that stimulates a part of the brain that causes you to think and feel in certain pattern.
Now think pattern causes us to feel good about ourselves without actually accomplishing anything. I can just sit down and smoke all day and think: "This is awesome, I am awesome".
The funny thing is that when you realize what weed does to your self, when you see the thought pattern from the outside. Then you try to point this out to your friends that all think alike, all say the same thing, repeating it over again like robots.
You are only met with anger, scorn and social isolation.
For such a simple thing as: I don't want to smoke weed because it only leads to dependence and group-thinking.
They say we have to bring down Babylon, well the weed is Babylon. Something that makes you stop caring, stop feeling and only feel good when you actually feel bad.
This is how to brainwash yourself.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Rincewind]
#19211867 - 12/01/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Rincewind said: The thing that unites as of us that smoke weed is that we lie to ourselves to rationalize the abuse of something that is not a medicine or some tool for spiritual awakening, it is a drug, a drug that stimulates a part of the brain that causes you to think and feel in certain pattern.
Now think pattern causes us to feel good about ourselves without actually accomplishing anything. I can just sit down and smoke all day and think: "This is awesome, I am awesome".
The funny thing is that when you realize what weed does to your self, when you see the thought pattern from the outside. Then you try to point this out to your friends that all think alike, all say the same thing, repeating it over again like robots.
You are only met with anger, scorn and social isolation.
For such a simple thing as: I don't want to smoke weed because it only leads to dependence and group-thinking.
They say we have to bring down Babylon, well the weed is Babylon. Something that makes you stop caring, stop feeling and only feel good when you actually feel bad.
This is how to brainwash yourself.
"The Weed is Babylon"?
No wonder your friends get pissed. You are a buzz kill.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: Icelander]
#19211905 - 12/01/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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You might have to get him up out of bed. He's old and goes to bed around 4pm.
That would be 4:00 AM wise guy. I'm a 'night owl,' not a 'morning lark.'
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And how about a reply to the question then.
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19212056 - 12/01/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Marijuana can certainly be used recreationally without negative result, but I don't know anything about the distribution (on a bell curve) of how this manifests. Let me be clear on this - I only have personal reservations about those professionals that I depend upon, because I don't know how much THC has to be incorporated into one's neurons before judgement is effected, let alone impaired. That is a case-by-case phenomenon. I do not, btw, hang with addicts, cannabis or otherwise, and when people toke up around me, I don't have any disdain for them. I couldn't care one way or another, I simply decline any offer politely. I don't see any levity, creativity, cosmicity (I made that up), I just see sedation, mild confusion, inattentiveness, and a lack of conversational skills. Unfortunately, the people I have in mind are my age or older, not energetic 20-somethings. 30-somethings, by-and-large, are family and career obsessed, and seem very concerned about public image and behavior, and I cannot speculate on the 40 and 50-somethings. I just don't have that range of experience, being socially isolated.
When I was in grad school in the early 80s, there was a plane crash out of D.C.. Everyone was killed on board and the pilot and co-pilot's corpses apparently tested positive for THC. They had 'forgotten' to lower the elevators (flaps) on the wings, and the plane just bounced and could barely get of the ground without the lift caused by the lowered elevators, and flew right into a concrete bridge. Now this was a poignant example of incompetence, and fortunately a rare one. But when ground speed reaches a certain point, the next thing, the only thing for pilots is to get lift. HTF could both pilots fail to do this?
People on these forums talk about forgetfulness, Bob Weir on a old Dead CD jokes about his short-term memory loss (that I listened to yesterday), I remember forgetfulness and slowed reaction time, plus apathy. If something was rolling off a table, it was too much effort to react like a fighter-pilot and move quickly, so unless it was fragile, I wouldn't even bother. I'd let it fall and I'd pick it up - later. My peers are way slowed down - by age. I see forgetfulness. Yesterday I met with my college roommate who was in my neighborhood from Colombia. We hadn't seen each other in 37 years! He was one of the people I experienced telepathy from, who reacted to me with utter horror. It was a powerful moment in time. He had zero recall of that event. Perhaps I have a particularly developed memory, but I don't want to start chiseling away at it now. I don't know if cannabis-induced forgetfulness is an entering wedge into pre-senile dementia or Alzheimer's, but I do know that behind the pleasurable sensations of certain euphoriants, the real bliss is in clarity of mind. Hence my position.
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I've had truly profound "spiritual" experiences on bud. Great insight into my life and the world and astoundingly beautiful experiences deep into the woods. And it's one of the very best pain relievers on the planet imo. If used to that end I don't think it's any kind of a lesser drug. However because it can be used daily so easily it is prone to abuse imo. I just think that many come to rely on it too heavily and use it irresponsibly (such as when driving etc.) . Balance is the key for almost anything imo.
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MarkostheGnostic said: Marijuana can certainly be used recreationally without negative result, but I don't know anything about the distribution (on a bell curve) of how this manifests. Let me be clear on this - I only have personal reservations about those professionals that I depend upon, because I don't know how much THC has to be incorporated into one's neurons before judgement is effected, let alone impaired. That is a case-by-case phenomenon. I do not, btw, hang with addicts, cannabis or otherwise, and when people toke up around me, I don't have any disdain for them. I couldn't care one way or another, I simply decline any offer politely. I don't see any levity, creativity, cosmicity (I made that up), I just see sedation, mild confusion, inattentiveness, and a lack of conversational skills. Unfortunately, the people I have in mind are my age or older, not energetic 20-somethings. 30-somethings, by-and-large, are family and career obsessed, and seem very concerned about public image and behavior, and I cannot speculate on the 40 and 50-somethings. I just don't have that range of experience, being socially isolated.
I too have experienced those sedated, inattentive, and lacking in conversational skills, particularly when waiting for grass at dealers' homes, sitting around on the couch and staring down the boob tube at a late night comedy show. I got the distinct impression this cannabis induced depression was socioeconomic in nature, as there was never lack of good, free flowing conversation in a college environment.
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When I was in grad school in the early 80s, there was a plane crash out of D.C.. Everyone was killed on board and the pilot and co-pilot's corpses apparently tested positive for THC. They had 'forgotten' to lower the elevators (flaps) on the wings, and the plane just bounced and could barely get of the ground without the lift caused by the lowered elevators, and flew right into a concrete bridge. Now this was a poignant example of incompetence, and fortunately a rare one. But when ground speed reaches a certain point, the next thing, the only thing for pilots is to get lift. HTF could both pilots fail to do this?
Personally, when it comes to drug reform, I'd like to see licensure for psychedelic drugs. One would take an educational course, if they qualified, and then would be tested, much like a driver's license test (I see equal merit in doing this with alcohol). As it stands, in Washington state, the drug is legal at the age of 21, which is no way to gauge one's maturity if you ask me. 
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People on these forums talk about forgetfulness, Bob Weir on a old Dead CD jokes about his short-term memory loss (that I listened to yesterday), I remember forgetfulness and slowed reaction time, plus apathy. If something was rolling off a table, it was too much effort to react like a fighter-pilot and move quickly, so unless it was fragile, I wouldn't even bother. I'd let it fall and I'd pick it up - later. My peers are way slowed down - by age. I see forgetfulness. Yesterday I met with my college roommate who was in my neighborhood from Colombia. We hadn't seen each other in 37 years! He was one of the people I experienced telepathy from, who reacted to me with utter horror. It was a powerful moment in time. He had zero recall of that event. Perhaps I have a particularly developed memory, but I don't want to start chiseling away at it now. I don't know if cannabis-induced forgetfulness is an entering wedge into pre-senile dementia or Alzheimer's, but I do know that behind the pleasurable sensations of certain euphoriants, the real bliss is in clarity of mind. Hence my position.
I have a particularly developed memory as well.... In fact, once I recall you making a remark that if a person was stoned and watched their friend slip and fall down, their first inclination might be to laugh instead of checking to see if they were okay . I found this hilarious, as if it was discarding slapstick humor all together. I think it's quite natural for somebody to laugh in such a situation, and I'm really quite certain no 'stoner' would be laughing if an old lady fell down a flight of stairs.
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