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MarkostheGnostic said: Oh please. I stopped using cannabis around 1979 after 10 years of use. Stoners always want to justify being stoned. I don't want my pilot, surgeon, physicians, dentist, broker, accountant, or any other responsible professional whom I rely on to be a stoner. "Divinity" has not incarnated as a common planetary weed, albeit with some recognizably medicinal properties. Leave "Divinity" out of your stoned revelations. Cannabis is not a sacrament, it's a lesser opium of the people, a consolation for non-achievement, and one of the reasons downtrodden and oppressed segments of society remain downtrodden and depressed. They've become too damn apathetic to get schooled or retooled to do much of anything. Open your eyes and ears around stoners - they're not getting smarter from being stoned, more insightful, or clear-minded - just the opposite. It's a wonder the powers-that-be haven't legalized it decades ago as a strategy to keep the multitudes just where they are with no threat to instigating change in society other than demanding that Nabisco keep cranking out those addictive Oreo cookies. 
As a former heavy stoner, I agree that the majority of stoners are just cannabis addicts like addicts to any other drug. However, that does not change the fact that cannabis has psychedelic qualities similar to LSD and mushrooms, which I have seen you giving great praise to on numerous occasions. Just because you find the latter two chemicals to better agree with your constitution, does not mean that cannabis is not a more effective entheogen for some. Alan Watts believed that cannabis was the BEST psychedelic drug for spiritual insight and Timothy Leary also saw it as having great value, making it along with LSD (not mushrooms and LSD, cannabis and LSD) the two official sacraments of his psychedelic religion. I have also found cannabis to be a deeply spiritual plant and I have gained far more spiritual insights from it than both LSD and mushrooms, in part because it allows me to enter the psychedelic headspace on a frequent bases.
Now personally I do not consider cannabis a sacrament, I consider the Holy Eucharist to be a sacrament. I consider cannabis to be an entheogen, a drug which has spiritual properties. This kind of drug can in rare cases facilitate spiritual awakening. However, in most cases the user does not attribute enough significance to his or her experience to make it anything more than a novelty.
I dont like to look at cannabis as a sacrament, because I consider it rather dirty and addictive. The after effects for me are quite unpleasant, bottomless bit munchies, mental fuzziness, burnt out no energy feeling. As I said, I used to be addicted to it and would smoke more just to get rid of these unpleasant after effects. These days I no longer chain smoke marijuana, I take one or two hits and then I do not get high again until I have completely come down from the previous experience. Cannabis is most harmful when it is used chronically. If a person smokes anything more than a hit or two every 24 hours (and even this is a lot to be smoking), then they are chronically stoned, never reaching true sobriety and this can have some nasty effects on the users mental health over the years, often causing anxiety, paranoia and apathy. Cannabis is much easier to abuse than the other psychedelics but it truly must be used sparingly in order to be anything other than a vice. I still find it easy to fall into a rut of smoking every day for weeks on end even if it is only one hit a day but when I observe this addictive tendency in myself, I stop for a while whereas when I was in college, I just smoked constantly no matter what. Very stupid.
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HerbJunkette said: I don't understand why everything on Earth has to be so...mystified. Can't it just be a plant?
If you want to look at it as just a plant, no one is stopping you. However, the psychoactive effects give it a greater significance to many people. It is a sacred plant, because it can lead to degrees of awakened consciousness.
An awakened consciousness would see things for what they are.
Not necessarily, in fact this is only very rarely true. Only a Jnani, or realized soul sees things as they are. There are millions of people who have experienced some glimpse or degree of awakened consciousness but are still quite a ways from full overcoming their egoic delusions and reaching full awakening. These spiritually aware people are certainly awake in a certain sense of the word, but they do not see things as they are, they still see them through some measure of egoic delusion. I myself am one of these people. The sun has begun to rise in my soul and it has been crushing illusion left and right, but it has not yet reached its destination as the ruler of my house. There is still ignorance, ego , self will and evil desire afflicting my soul.
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deCypher said: Now, however, I smoke more than a few puffs and I feel paranoid, anxious and overly self-conscious with a side of social anxiety to boot. I hear this is a pretty common happening too--something about years of use lowering the activation threshold of the amygdala when activated by THC. All I know is I miss being able to enjoy that sweet, sweet herb. 
know exactly what you mean. been there. there's a way to somewhat reverse it. tested and verified it.
first off you need to quit smoking weed for at least a year. after that, you can start enjoying your herb again BUT- make sure to smoke SMALL amounts and NOT TOO OFTEN (everyday) FOR TOO LONG (a year or so). Or you'll be back where you started I'm on my second 1 year break now because I blew it again But I'm so happy i found a way to enjoy herb again 
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I totally agree with this, although, why so intense? Cannabis and any drug can be part of a spiritual experience if your relationship with the drug is beyond that of abusing it everyday and trying to justify it with the idea of being some urban shaman. A very small percent of people CAN actually use drugs as a spiritual enhancement tool... myself excluded, still training to not to abuse them don't get me wrong though, I agree with your post... its just seemed a little one sided to me 
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Oh, but just wait till "Dr. Marcos" whips out his psycho doc hat and starts diagnosing people for this and that certifiable condition.
Hey Doc, aren't you supposed to be retired from the diagnosing business anyway? I mean you growing lilies or orchids never could remember. Musta been all that herb I been abusing.
Anyhoo, this thread worst of all has degraded into yet another of many let's blame herb for paranoia, anxiety, and depression. Some y'all need to man up and learn to finish, and to handle your bong hits. I mean that's the extent of my diagnosis on the subject.
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Apologies. Everyone knows that herb is God's own gift to Mankind; the most perfect drug ever conceived and bestowed upon us by the beneficent angels of sheer smoky benevolence. It has absolutely no negative effects whatsoever--anyone claiming ANY bad consequences from their cannabis use is obviously an anti-marijuana shill/government plant sent here by the Illuminati to denigrate this botanical blessing. Any study that shows any possibility of a correlation between marijuana use and increased risk of psychosis, schizophrenia, depersonalization, derealization, apathy, amotivation, paranoia, anxiety, etcetera etc. is obviously just lying out their teeth or hopelessly delusional.
Duh.
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Anyhoo, this thread worst of all has degraded into yet another of many let's blame herb for paranoia, anxiety, and depression. Some y'all need to man up and learn to finish, and to handle your bong hits.
Didn't you struggle with shrooms?
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As a true hippy drug expert/addict I can say from vast experience I can wreck any drug and turn it against me. 
Seriously though, our individual chemistry at any specific point in time can have a profound effect on how any particular drug can effect us. That to me is totally obvious after a life time of use and observation of others. It's quite likely that my excessive use of Kratom will ruin it for me sometime down the road. But as a true enlightened one I'm living (it up) in the moment.
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LunarEclipse said: Anyhoo, this thread worst of all has degraded into yet another of many let's blame herb for paranoia, anxiety, and depression. Some y'all need to man up and learn to finish, and to handle your bong hits. I mean that's the extent of my diagnosis on the subject.
Please PLEASE don't be one of those people 
some people have this experience and you'd be a total deuce to deny its legitimacy.
the whole weed is harmless act is the biggest bullshit next to weed kills and is the primary reason for people getting themselves into trouble through excessive weed smoking (since it's 'harmless').
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Apologies. Everyone knows that herb is God's own gift to Mankind; the most perfect drug ever conceived and bestowed upon us by the beneficent angels of sheer smoky benevolence. It has absolutely no negative effects whatsoever--anyone claiming ANY bad consequences from their cannabis use is obviously an anti-marijuana shill/government plant sent here by the Illuminati to denigrate this botanical blessing. Any study that shows any possibility of a correlation between marijuana use and increased risk of psychosis, schizophrenia, depersonalization, derealization, apathy, amotivation, paranoia, anxiety, etcetera etc. is obviously just lying out their teeth or hopelessly delusional.
Duh. 
I have personally experienced weed induced anxiety disorder and derealization. not to mention that I couldn't bring myself to be productive when i was blazed off my aas. some can, some can't. not that weed was the sole factor for the anxiety and derealization, but it did set everything i had built up in myself off in a cascade of panic.... man that was the shittiest year of my life. all is good now. and i still love my herb. but some people are gonna have a bad time if they abuse it.
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As if Markos's abuse of cannabis in the 70s is evidence for all cannabis use being abuse. I wouldn't want my pilot to be a drunk either, but I'd hardly begrudge them for drinking a glass of wine at dinner if they were done working that day. I wouldn't want one who 'wake and baked' before the job, or stayed up all night drinking and partying before flying like in the film Flight All of this is 100% relative to your usage patterns, which are simply indeterminable because you happen to use the the drug. If you drink wine every night,does that make you a 'wino'? No, it depends on how much and when, relative to your other social and occupational duties. News flash, wine is not a 'sacrament' either, no drug usage is intrinsically a sign of higher consciousness, that's all 100% relative to the individual.
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Agreed, I handle both my alcohol and cannabis use fine. Before and at work I'm sober and have no problem functioning at 100% - just like most other cannabis or alcohol users I've met.
If someone has a problem functioning due to off the clock marijuana use, they're the exception and frankly I look at it as a weakness.
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As if Markos's abuse of cannabis in the 70s is evidence for all cannabis use being abuse. I wouldn't want my pilot to be a drunk either, but I'd hardly begrudge them for drinking a glass of wine at dinner if they were done working that day. I wouldn't want one who 'wake and baked' before the job, or stayed up all night drinking and partying before flying like in the film Flight All of this is 100% relative to your usage patterns, which are simply indeterminable because you happen to use the the drug. If you drink wine every night,does that make you a 'wino'? No, it depends on how much and when, relative to your other social and occupational duties. News flash, wine is not a 'sacrament' either, no drug usage is intrinsically a sign of higher consciousness, that's all 100% relative to the individual.

Never thought he was saying that all use is abuse. Generally my experience is that people who use it throughout the day every day don't have a lot going on upstairs. But then they might have not anyway.
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When you've been around as long as Icelander and I have, it is sometimes a matter of over-saturation, of having heard the same defense-mechanism of rationalization from all sorts of people. Among late adolescent (mid to late 20s) cannabis users who are still enamored of cannabis and still experience some degree of novelty, there is that wearisome drivel about how wonderful weed is. Weed is wonderful only to the extent that without it you are miserable. It's one of those simple dichotomies in life that applies to everything. The more pleasurable, the more you miss it. I went oil-free vegan for 16 months and didn't taste chocolate, which I like in very small but satisfying amounts. But I did not go on about chocolatyl being literally the "food of the gods," or any such thing. I missed it, but I wasn't unhappy without it, nor did I feel the need to sing its praises. Of course, the amount of chocolate (1, 1.5" square) is not enough to raise my Dopamine levels. I do not sit down with a 5 lb. box of chocolates like a lonely and obese woman I once knew (who committed suicide a few years ago).
If cannabis makes you 'feel' so good, and without it you are less than optimal, something is not right. It does not relieve depression, and in fact, too much can result in depression, so it's not an anti-depressant. For a lot of folk, it relieves anxiety and induces relaxation, but if a person does not know how to relax on their own, I see a problem. Too often, cannabis use is resorted to for the relief of boredom, an existential malaise that I rarely if ever experience. Pick up a book instead. No? Too much effort? Apathetic Syndrome is not a mere fabrication. Cannabis can and does result in addiction for many (there is a Marijuana Anonymous), and it can and does precipitate paranoid ideation, panic attacks, and yes, even psychotic episodes among those predisposed. But in average people, the substance is probably a lesser of so many other potential evils. The spiritual claim, gleaned from reading about Hindu sadhus perhaps, who then sing to God because their hearts have been gladdened, doesn't much translate into America from what I have seen, and I've seen stoned middle schoolers throw down in a hallway just from hostile looks and attendant paranoia.
I interviewed veteran heroin users, some of whom were practiced bullshitters, and I've heard them go on about nirvanic bliss and such. Maybe the more intellectually inclined junkie read DeQuincy, Coleridge, or Baudelaire and how famous their works are, AS IF opiates are behind their talent. Freud and Ulysses S. Grant were addicted to cigars, which gave them cancer, which required surgery and they discovered the analgesic power of cocaine, to which they became equally addicted. Freud did sing the praises of tobacco as well as of cocaine, but it was the tobacco's result that killed him. Freud refused to analyze his own tobacco use (20 cigars per day), but his attitude was to look down on those who refused to smoke (I just read The Sphinx on the Table which detailed some of this about Freud). Freud used rationalization on his drug use constantly.
So, why sound "intense?" Because the bullshit is old more than I am old. Because it's the same old same old, and I aspire to Awakening even if everyone around me spins their wheels in the same neuronal ruts, claiming all the time the greatness of their habit. But habits for me, if uncontrolled for the sake of expediency like a morning routine before work, are just deadly. Cannabis was exciting and novel for me at a particular time and place. I took my first hits of hashish on New Year's Eve 1968-69. But despite its liberating effects, it had a negative effect on my high school academic performance. That was the first 'monolith' that began a huge domino effect on my life. I was done with "childish things" by 1979 when I began graduate school and couldn't afford any further fuck-ups in life (which came of course, without cannabis). Perhaps I also do not like to see that dynamic re-enacted by all those who are presently where I was decades ago. Cannabis didn't do one really good thing for me in the long run, and I haven't seen any parallels to a Francis Crick who envisioned the DNA helix while on acid with cannabis. It is just another "opiate of the people."
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I know very few "stoners", people who smoke chronically all day and can't function properly. If you're really so submerged in that kind of company then perhaps you should mind the company you keep.
So far I've seen no statistics or peer-reviewed studies from you on the subject, so I can only speculate on your own speculation which form from personal experience. Very short sighted way to form an opinion on anything.
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Never thought he was saying that all use is abuse. Generally my experience is that people who use it throughout the day every day don't have a lot going on upstairs. But then they might have not anyway. 
I can't think of a single drug that can be used all throughout the day every day without negative consequences, it's peculiar that cannabis would be singled out in such regards
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Re: Marijuana is a gift from divinity [Re: CosmicJoke]
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great thread.
Everything markos has said is true based on my observations and experience.
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Never thought he was saying that all use is abuse. Generally my experience is that people who use it throughout the day every day don't have a lot going on upstairs. But then they might have not anyway. 
I can't think of a single drug that can be used all throughout the day every day without negative consequences, it's peculiar that cannabis would be singled out in such regards 
I'm not singling it out. This thread is about cannabis.
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This debate is a little too generalized when looking at cannabis users who have access to the medical grade stuff. For me, weed isnt weed. Theres the indicas which make me tired, sluggish and paranoid/psychotic. Theres the Sativas low in cbd content which provide a very stimulating, paranoid, psychedelic like high. And theres the sativas high in CBD which give.a.stimulating yet relaxing, creative high. There are no burnouts with tthe pure sativas IME.
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Never thought he was saying that all use is abuse. Generally my experience is that people who use it throughout the day every day don't have a lot going on upstairs. But then they might have not anyway. 
I can't think of a single drug that can be used all throughout the day every day without negative consequences, it's peculiar that cannabis would be singled out in such regards 
I'm not singling it out. This thread is about cannabis.
Except all cannabis users do not habitually smoke all day and every day... Vilifying the plant is absurd, which is why I give MtG's post a . Cannabis didn't do any of that to him, imho, his problems were cultural in nature (involving lack of education and guidance in using the drug properly) that led to his excessive use and poor academics.
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So what's an example of "pure" sativas?
Just seems so odd for you to even keep using anything that would "make" them paranoid. "Very stimulating, paranoid, psychedelic high."
Yet undeciphered wants to keep coming back to the weed too. I mean, folks, make up your minds.
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100% sativa 0% indica. I was speaking from experience,.paranoia is what I get from it It does seem unusual that someone would continue to use a drug despite negative consequences. Bunch of minsinformed addicts!
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