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InvisibleNWlight
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Just thinking about working out will make you stronger
    #19166010 - 11/20/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yup cause of neural plasticity.

your muscles won't get any bigger but you will be able to exert more force.

lift those imaginary weights, guys

Yue, G.  & Cole, K. J.  1992  Joural of Neurophysiology, 67, 1114-1123


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19166014 - 11/20/13 03:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I just put on 20 lbs of muscle thanks to this thread


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: B_BOY]
    #19166077 - 11/20/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

good to know. i've been thinking a lot about working out lately. my muscles just keep getting bigger :whatyougonnado:


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: zZZz]
    #19166134 - 11/20/13 03:56 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Positive thinking has done wonders for how I am viewed by others!


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Gilgamesh18]
    #19166208 - 11/20/13 04:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

that's outdated

someone with proper knowledge and the same strength/weight would wreck you OP if they just did explosive reps


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap]
    #19166223 - 11/20/13 04:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Illyabo said:
that's outdated

someone with proper knowledge and the same strength/weight would wreck you OP if they just did explosive reps



I think you missed the point entirely.  of course voluntary contractions would elicit more hypertrophy than imagined contractions, I never said it wouldn't.


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight]
    #19166232 - 11/20/13 04:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

no i didn't the study is based off of outdated methods

if you played sports you'd get assraped by genetics


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap]
    #19166239 - 11/20/13 04:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

yea which is what they didn't take into account back then


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap]
    #19166240 - 11/20/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

there have been a bunch of studies on that. unless i'm wrong, i'm pretty sure you actually do build muscle mass.

its not "just thinking about it" in the conventional sense though.


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight]
    #19166241 - 11/20/13 04:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I had a friend that was cut and never worked out.  He  tightened his muscles a lot.  Like standing inline he'd be doing an ab work out that sort of thing.  Just clenching groups of muscles.


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap]
    #19166248 - 11/20/13 04:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
no i didn't the study is based off of outdated methods

if you played sports you'd get assraped by genetics



Quote:

Illyabo said:
yea which is what they didn't take into account back then





All I'm saying is that neural plasticity can increase strength without any contractions, especially in untrained individuals.

I'm not saying that actually working out isn't better.

do you english?


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: teamkiller]
    #19166257 - 11/20/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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teamkiller said:
there have been a bunch of studies on that. unless i'm wrong, i'm pretty sure you actually do build muscle mass.

its not "just thinking about it" in the conventional sense though.



There is no increase in muscle mass, as demonstrated by supramaximal stimulation of the ulnar nerve yielding no change in force, before and after a few weeks of "imagined" contractions.

Ashe, J. & Ugurbil, K (1994) Functional imaging of the motor system. Current opinion in Neurobiology, 4, 832-839


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight]
    #19166260 - 11/20/13 04:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

it's a dumb study

of course they could get those findings if person A had some knowledge of breathing correctly with mucles that react quicker and person B didn't

what the fuck do you want me to say?

watch old boy or something

the guy has iron fist


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap] * 3
    #19166276 - 11/20/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At least I know you're trolling now, I thought you were legitimately retarded for a minute


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight]
    #19166292 - 11/20/13 04:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

well the study and your op is worded crappy

if you said "You will be able to catch footballs better by thinking about catching footballs" then that would be fine

saying you're stronger because you think about reacting quicker seems far fetched

it's more like saying "if you aren't a total lazy ass and THINK about working out you will put up more."


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap]
    #19166302 - 11/20/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Again, I think you're missing the point entirely.

if a non-trained individual thinks about clenching their fist but doesnt actually do it for an hour a day for a few weeks, they will actually be able to clench their fist harder than if they hadn't done the mental exercises. 

this is due to your nervous system adapting


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: NWlight]
    #19166369 - 11/20/13 04:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Kinda hard to imagine that "intensely thinking" about moving/exercising wouldn't result in some amount of voluntary movement though.  I wonder how they controlled for that.

I'd also be interested in the instructional set given to participants, that could easily affect expectancy.


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...most subjects find the experience valuable, some find it frightening, and many say that is it uniquely lovely.

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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #19166424 - 11/20/13 05:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Illyabo said:
that's outdated

someone with proper knowledge and the same strength/weight would wreck you OP if they just did explosive reps




Bro, do you even lift?  :burke:


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: Schmendrick]
    #19167325 - 11/20/13 08:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It's visualization, not thinking.

I visualize fighting and shadow box by myself all the time... Come at me bro.


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Re: Just thinking about working out will make you stronger [Re: KrishnaDreamer]
    #19167332 - 11/20/13 08:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

the word they used in the study was "imagining" :shrug:


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