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blueconfusion
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19148787 - 11/17/13 08:52 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheCyndicate said:
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JMcDoogle said: Hes mine, my own...
MY PRECIOUS.

Cyn

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TheCyndicate
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: blueconfusion]
#19148818 - 11/17/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey frank look at what my pops gave me from FP

 He did 4 successful grows then decided to call it quits .
Cyn
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KnownPown
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: TheCyndicate]
#19149254 - 11/17/13 11:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Glad to see you back Frank, you've inspired me aswell. Good timing too, now I might get some good ideas on what to do with these 14 quart jars I have ready ;D
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: KnownPown]
#19152679 - 11/18/13 01:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You guys are so silly 
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TheCyndicate said: Hey frank look at what my pops gave me from FP

 He did 4 successful grows then decided to call it quits .
Cyn
Did he now? Nice score Cyn! 
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KnownPown said: Glad to see you back Frank, you've inspired me aswell. Good timing too, now I might get some good ideas on what to do with these 14 quart jars I have ready ;D
Hell yeah, it's good to be back 
Those 14 jars could make you a lot of food...
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Irfan
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19152722 - 11/18/13 02:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would be very interested to see a short tek on how you tie off your bags.
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TheCyndicate
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19153072 - 11/18/13 07:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: You guys are so silly 
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TheCyndicate said: Hey frank look at what my pops gave me from FP

 He did 4 successful grows then decided to call it quits .
Cyn
Did he now? Nice score Cyn! 
Yea man he just came down on weekend to visit. And BOOM surprise brand new flow hood!!! He could not find a market for his ......um ...um blue oysters . So I benefit.
Cyn
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Stromrider
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: TheCyndicate]
#19153085 - 11/18/13 07:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn dude that's sweet! Wish my dad would give me a flow hood
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Novanity1
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19162546 - 11/19/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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aomoriakuma
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: Novanity1]
#19163024 - 11/20/13 12:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Cant believe i overlooked this thread. definitely keeping up with this one
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The Alaskan Dude
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: aomoriakuma]
#19163565 - 11/20/13 04:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would be very interested to see a short tek on how you tie off your bags.
I am doing a 10 monotub grow soon. I have used jars up to this point but hear bags are the way to go for mass sterilization and storage. I would also like to know how you prepare your bags, Frank. Looks like you use zip ties? Look forward to following the results of your grow dude.
I've been gone for a little while myself but like that creepy guy sitting on the rocking chair in the corner of the room I'm back!
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: The Alaskan Dude]
#19163700 - 11/20/13 06:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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In on this as well. I am also interested in how you do your bag prep, as I have only worked with glass so far, but would love to give bags a try for some larger bulk projects. Did I overlook that in your Get Shit Done thread?
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Zombi3
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: thelorax121]
#19163731 - 11/20/13 06:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Also interested in your bag tek, but mostly here to see how this turns out! Good Luck
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: The Alaskan Dude]
#19164767 - 11/20/13 11:40 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would be very interested to see a short tek on how you tie off your bags.
I am doing a 10 monotub grow soon. I have used jars up to this point but hear bags are the way to go for mass sterilization and storage. I would also like to know how you prepare your bags, Frank. Looks like you use zip ties? Look forward to following the results of your grow dude.
I second this motion! It would be nice know all the knitty gritty on how you use bags in your WBS tek. As much as I love my jars, bags seem to take the cake in convenience when you have a grow that would require dozens of jars. I also hate the process of breaking up the grains because my arm gets tired when I have a shitload of jars to break up.
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: Novanity1]
#19164912 - 11/20/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: Zombi3]
#19165368 - 11/20/13 01:25 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thanks guys 
I do not have any more jars going into bags for at least two weeks (another 13 masters on the way) but when they are ready I will get some pictures and make a proper thread.
I will warn you that how I knock these up might make you nervous:
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This is my sterile technique in detail. It is the most important part of my work (and should be yours too!) so read carefully.
For these bags, I inoculate with the lid off of my SAB.
These bags are tall so this posed a problem for me and my still-air box. I had about 80% success working with these in my SAB alone with no tent. The bags would need to be unfolded and held at weird angles and it was really a mess. I would often lose bags when I bumped the lid of the SAB while pouring my master jar in, or worse the grains would spill out on to the floor of the SAB.
So I bought myself a 3' x 3' x 6' grow tent to provide a "still air room" to work inside of. My house is old and shitty, so I put this up in the room with the least amount of drafts and windows. I make sure to turn off my central air and close any doors or windows in the room.
I do not work inside with the tent sealed. Instead, my chair is positioned halfway in the tent and the door flap rests on the back of the chair.
Obviously, extensive precautions need to be taken here. I shower, wear gloves, sleeves, a cap and a mask. I move as little as possible, using only my wrists whenever possible while working in the SAB. Your sterile procedures need to be on point.
If you're still with me, here is the text-only version of Frank's bag tek
1) I use large filter patch bags with a .2 micron filter.
2) I prepare approximately 7-8 cups of dry WBS per large filter bag. This comes out to roughly five quarts of hydrated WBS.
3) Once the grains are done steaming in the strainer, I open up my filter bag. You'll need to learn how to fold the bottom of the bag so it comes out fairly flat without a lot of gaps or folds. Once you get that right, load the bag with the WBS.
4) Following RR's procedures I insert a tyvek sleeve into the bag so it is touching or close to the bird seed, with the other end of the sleeve sticking out the top at least a couple inches. I fold this accordion-style (3 folds) and place the bag in my PC, on top of the canning rack.
5) When running multiple bags, you need to prevent the bags themselves from touching the sides of the PC and the other bags. I place rings from jar lids around the bags themselves, 2 on each long side of the bag and more if need be. If stacking the bags, I place a canning rack between them.
6) I put a heavy plate on top of the bags in the PC to keep them from expanding. You want to remember to separate the plate from the bags with either jar rings or another canning rack.
7) I load my AA921s with 4 of these bags each, and PC them for 2 hours @ 15PSI.
8) I let these cool for 12-24 hours. Then I move them up to my tent and go to work breaking up the master jars.
9) While following proper sterile procedures, I take the lid off my SAB and place one bag inside. I wipe down one master jar with an iso-soaked paper towel, then loosen the lid a little and wipe the rim carefully. Then I place it in the SABand leave the lid covered with the iso-soaked paper towel. I wipe down my gloves and the outside of the bag as well.
10) Here's another part that is tricky to explain: you need to pull the tyvek sleeve gently but firmly, while unfolding the bag at the same time. When done right, you will unfold the bag, pull the tyvek sleeve out the top, and work the edges so the bag is completely unfolded and open.
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It's very obvious when you see it but since I have no pics at the moment, I apologize for not being able to describe it better. Suffice to say, it is very important that you are as careful as possible once you begin opening the bag.
11) I pick up the master jar and remove the lid, carefully placing it on the floor of the SAB. I use that hand to pinch one side of the bag (holding it open) and pour in my colonized grain spawn with the other hand.
12) I put the master jar down carefully and using both hands, I fold the top of the bag down three times, about 1-2" per fold. This seals the top pretty well, so I fold it three times inward from each edge, then apply my zip-tie very tightly.
All done.
Sorry for the wall of text, I will be sure to get some pics and make a thread in a couple weeks.
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: FrankHorrigan]
#19165408 - 11/20/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Still here hours of entertainment here
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: fatflash]
#19165441 - 11/20/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am very excited to follow this thread, I can't believe I missed it!
Come January I will be doing 4-6 larger monotubs. I just finished a 103qt monotub with good results. My back will hate me after I'm done with it.
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twistedty
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19165540 - 11/20/13 01:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said:
 
Being as the need or desire for a casing layer has been debated many times over the years, I'm curious to see if you find it worth the extra effort.
We know it's not needed for cubes, but that doesn't mean it's not desirable.

and with your grows i think it will be hard to tell the benefits since you always seem to get full canopies, nonetheless i always follow your grow logs with awe
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: twistedty]
#19166258 - 11/20/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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 frank's gonna try 2 grow mushroom better?
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FrankHorrigan
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Re: Frank's 2014 project: 20 tubs (not PE) cased with 50/50+ [Re: PirateSwazey]
#19168041 - 11/20/13 11:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twistedty said: and with your grows i think it will be hard to tell the benefits since you always seem to get full canopies, nonetheless i always follow your grow logs with awe

Thanks TT, I'm glad to see you still around 
I think that casing layers may provide some advantage. We will see in about 3-4 weeks.
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PirateSwazey said: frank's gonna try 2 grow mushroom better?
I am always trying to grow mushrooms better
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