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TheMustardTiger
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First flush, no trip.
#19164938 - 11/20/13 12:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Harvested a little over 2 grams, dried, of Colorado cubes on brf cakes a few days ago, dried them using a dehydrator at 95F degrees. Hooked my buddy up with the finished product and he claims he felt absolutely no effect from them. What could cause this? Genetics?
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yep genetics, full stomach , too much dosing, or he's lying looking for a freebie lol
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19164967 - 11/20/13 12:11 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I don't sell them so he wasn't lying to get them for free. He fasted for around 8 hours and hadn't eaten cubes in over a year. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a super mild trip, but nothing at all? Something isn't right.
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i know bud i was only joking! 2 g's ain't a whole lot and cubes are a crapshoot when using spores
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19164982 - 11/20/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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try the next flush, MS potency fluctuate 2g should be enough, i had cubes and tripping from 0.4
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Aero]
#19164993 - 11/20/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Either he took them on a full stomach or genetics. I'm guessing genetics are probably the cause as said before. I've read about this all the time, then when the grower uses a different strain, they get sent into outer space.
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i prefer 3-5 grams so this issue never comes for me
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Sounds like all this waiting and tending to was for nothing. Dang genetics.
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MustardTiger66 said: Sounds like all this waiting and tending to was for nothing. Dang genetics.
dont worry, the next one will be better
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Aero]
#19165091 - 11/20/13 12:35 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've wondered this before. Did they bruise blue? Because if the genetics gave them no potency, then shouldn't be bruising blue. Blue is associated with psilocybin, and if they didn't trip, then that means they didn't contain psilocybin. The person who took them, might be on meds or have a tolerance to psychs from taking them to close together.
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My friend takes no medications, has not consumed psilocybin in over a year, and is a regular marijuana smoker. The fruits only bruised blue at the base where it meets the cake which is where I detached them. Cakes are also bruising blue with very little disturbance.
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Try a 3.5 g serving, that's what I used to do when I tripped... Only the strongest one half of that would be a super strong trip.
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rickjamez20 said: I've wondered this before. Did they bruise blue? Because if the genetics gave them no potency, then shouldn't be bruising blue. Blue is associated with psilocybin, and if they didn't trip, then that means they didn't contain psilocybin. The person who took them, might be on meds or have a tolerance to psychs from taking them to close together.
ive read countless acounts of the blue bruising related to potency being malarky.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: DeadPhan]
#19165166 - 11/20/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: I've wondered this before. Did they bruise blue? Because if the genetics gave them no potency, then shouldn't be bruising blue. Blue is associated with psilocybin, and if they didn't trip, then that means they didn't contain psilocybin. The person who took them, might be on meds or have a tolerance to psychs from taking them to close together.
ive read countless acounts of the blue bruising related to potency being malarky.
its never been proved
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: DeadPhan]
#19165173 - 11/20/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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rickjamez20 said: I've wondered this before. Did they bruise blue? Because if the genetics gave them no potency, then shouldn't be bruising blue. Blue is associated with psilocybin, and if they didn't trip, then that means they didn't contain psilocybin. The person who took them, might be on meds or have a tolerance to psychs from taking them to close together.
ive read countless acounts of the blue bruising related to potency being malarky.
It is. They don't know why they bruise blue yet, there's 100s of compounds in mushrooms that haven't been isolated to verify the bluing component of cubes. It has nothing to do with potency but all mushrooms that bruise blue and have a dark purple spore print 99.9% going to be psychoactive. This is probably where the misinfo came from. There's plenty of light bruisers that will make you trip hard and plenty of heavy bruisers that are bunk potency. It depends on genetics. When using spores to start you'll have 1000s of strains in your PF cake and numerous strains will get together to make a MS fruit which may or may not be potent. Take clones and isolate strains from your fruits on agar then grow them out and keep the strains that were potent. You can find a potent strain in B+, GT, AA+ etc... all of the varieties will be able to produce potent strains if you select for potent strains on agar in 10000s of spores a few of them are going to be real winners find them and keep em around.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19165188 - 11/20/13 12:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Definitely going for agar/grains the next go around.
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MustardTiger66 said: Definitely going for agar/grains the next go around.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19165623 - 11/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i know bud i was only joking! 2 g's ain't a whole lot and cubes are a crapshoot when using spores
when i get complaints i tell them to man up and not be a pussy and take 5 grams minimum with a few beers!
i would say the dose was to low
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: twistedty]
#19165640 - 11/20/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i know bud i was only joking! 2 g's ain't a whole lot and cubes are a crapshoot when using spores
when i get complaints i tell them to man up and not be a pussy and take 5 grams minimum with a few beers!
i would say the dose was to low
i wanna party with you
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19165666 - 11/20/13 02:17 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
2.5g-3.5g
but only take 3.5g in careful setting, turn off phone,lock doors, be undisturbed
3.5g which is 1/8th , is the default trip dose for most people
sometimes 2nd flush is stronger, I heard... not sure
always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
with MS syringes, genetics can be random sometimes... sometimes a batch doesnt work next flush might be insanely potent though :-)
wait and see.. but would do 2.5-3.5g next time personally, with sitter
(but I cant recommend doses to you, I am not your father;)
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: lessismore]
#19165680 - 11/20/13 02:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mio said: 2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
2.5g-3.5g
but only take 3.5g in careful setting, turn off phone,lock doors, be undisturbed
3.5g which is 1/8th , is the default trip dose for most people
sometimes 2nd flush is stronger, I heard... not sure
always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
with MS syringes, genetics can be random sometimes... sometimes a batch doesnt work next flush might be insanely potent though :-)
wait and see.. but would do 2.5-3.5g next time personally, with sitter
(but I cant recommend doses to you, I am not your father;)
a sitter? im a grown ass man! my sitter is usually tripping as hard as i am and if i had a sitter he/she would leave in an hour due to my rantings and odd behavior
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: twistedty]
#19165691 - 11/20/13 02:20 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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well if you don't wanna party then i'll be your sitter
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: twistedty]
#19165692 - 11/20/13 02:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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3.5 often can make people think theyre dying , thats why I recommended it
has happened to me, and I have done LSD 150 times in high doses but the mushrooms still owned me :-)
but it depends on consumption method too.. it was 3.5g chocolates... eating them raw the doses are a bit different sometimes
would still be careful though... turning phone off and hiding it is always a very good idea
set,setting,dose , then there is nothing to fear , but it also means knowing ones dose, the dose where the mind can still function to some degree start low
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: lessismore]
#19165952 - 11/20/13 03:21 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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5 grams and it's not even a party anymore. lol
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MUSH HEAD420 said: 5 grams and it's not even a party anymore. lol
hell ya it is!
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I've had 3.5g many times of varying potency and even the craziest one I would still walk around and buy lunch. Shit I bought a get rad album on more than an eighth one dude knew i was fuckedbut oh well
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166019 - 11/20/13 03:34 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah 3.5 is my usuall dose for social scenes. If its just me 5 takes me where I want to go
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MustardTiger66 said: Harvested a little over 2 grams, dried, of Colorado cubes on brf cakes a few days ago, dried them using a dehydrator at 95F degrees. Hooked my buddy up with the finished product and he claims he felt absolutely no effect from them. What could cause this? Genetics?
i had the same problem with the first flush on my cakes, my friends and i each ate around 2.5 and had a very mild trip. but on the next flush we each ate around 3.5 and trip balls. from my experience the second flush is more potent. but when using a ms you can never really tell what your going to get, you could have two different shrooms on the same cake with completely different potency levels. best bet would be to use an isolate.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: karp]
#19166093 - 11/20/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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It's pretty sad that no one is offering any constructive analysis and instead has resorted to making this into a flexing contest. Thanks for everyone who tried to shed some light on this.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Rubestoad]
#19166100 - 11/20/13 03:49 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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To offset the crap shoot of dosing while taking into account varying genetics when using MS inoculation.
You can take your dried mushrooms and grind them into a fine powder, thus taking your great genetics and poor genetics and creating a balanced potency for a given grow.
IE. grind up twenty plus grams dry and store in a airtight container to ladle out in the dosages you deem appropriate, mix the powder with melted chocolate, or in a glass with orange juice or my personal favorite, Ginseng Tea with Lemon and Honey.
You will be able to judge exactly how potent two grams is or is not, and at least all two gram dosages will be nearly exactly identical.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: karp]
#19166169 - 11/20/13 04:02 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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2.5 is more than most who eat mine will usually take. Much more than that and they start to feel like it's too much.
OP's weak flush is likely related to genetics, but I bet it's not genes alone. MS is wildcard but even MS is unlikely to be bunk given certain facets of procedure.
For instance, my question for you MustardTiger: Did you 'consolidate' your cakes ample time after colonized? 7 days is considered a suggestive minimum for PF cake consolidation, and in general for freshly-colonized grain food. Consolidation helps assure proper strength. Rushed fruits are more likely to be pale in potency.
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MustardTiger66 said: It's pretty sad that no one is offering any constructive analysis and instead has resorted to making this into a flexing contest. Thanks for everyone who tried to shed some light on this.
2 grams aint shit :/
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Violet]
#19166190 - 11/20/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Now that you mention it, it is possible I didn't let them consolidate long enough; I'm sure it a factor in all of this. But even so, to experience absolutely no effects with over 2 grams?
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Rubestoad]
#19166269 - 11/20/13 04:26 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Rubestoad said: Yeah 3.5 is my usuall dose for social scenes. If its just me 5 takes me where I want to go
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http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
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That's good info. I wasn't trying to be awesome I apologize for any offense you took.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19166447 - 11/20/13 05:10 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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cronicr said: i prefer 3-5 grams so this issue never comes for me
I prefer cyanesence... 3-5g (dry) of them would send you flying.
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My last grow i ate 1/4oz dry & had a mild trip. The other guy that ate a.quarter blacked out & woke up in jail. Have some yourself & see if maybe it was just your friend.
On another note, im not an expert by far, but my opinion is the healthier your mushrooms are & the more time, energy, & care you invest in growing them the better they will be. You grow so you obviously already know this but your mushrooms will give you signs, you just have to know what they mean. Ex. Low or high humidity will cause the myc & mushrooms to act a certain way, as will low or high fae, too much c02, etc. If your fruiting chamber is too big or small for the amount of mushrooms your growing they could be affected as well.
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cronicr said: i prefer 3-5 grams so this issue never comes for me
I prefer cyanesence... 3-5g (dry) of them would send you flying.
it did! i never knew the diff the first time with cyans and popped 5 g's, lovely fucking time!
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr] 1
#19166510 - 11/20/13 05:27 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Aero]
#19166562 - 11/20/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Aero said:
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
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MustardTiger66 said:
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Aero said:
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MustardTiger66 said: http://www.shroomery.org/9061/What-size-dose-should-I-take
Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
It's because this type of question gets posted all the time all the while there's 100s of threads out there that already addressed the possible reasons and info.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
#19166582 - 11/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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theres no right answer here, all we can do is make suggestions
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: cronicr]
#19166583 - 11/20/13 05:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mio said: 2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
Seriously? 2g dry cubensis is far from nothing. Most, if not all people, without tolerance, will trip nicely off that much if genetics aren't crap.
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2.5g-3.5g
2 grams is nothing and doesn't make you trip but, 2.5 will? :shrugs:
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always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
Not true.
OP, I would take 2 grams yourself before coming to the conclusion your shrooms are impotent.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19166595 - 11/20/13 05:42 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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Pastywhyte said: I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
Makes sense. This was my first grow so I'm sure luck, and few mistakes on my end caused this catastrophe. Switching to agar and grains next go around. I need to get a hold of a good print first; this experience with internet-bought spore syringes has made me weary. Thanks for the input, bud.
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try pans, always consistent even with ms
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: shroomdust]
#19166605 - 11/20/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 4 months ago) |
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mio said: 2g is nothing, doesnt even make me trip
Seriously? 2g dry cubensis is far from nothing. Most, if not all people, without tolerance, will trip nicely off that much if genetics aren't crap.
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2 grams is nothing and doesn't make you trip but, 2.5 will? :shrugs:
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always dose on empty stomach... else the shrooms dont work...
Not true.
OP, I would take 2 grams yourself before coming to the conclusion your shrooms are impotent.
Definitely doing so when the next flush rolls in.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
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bodhisatta said: I've had 3.5g many times of varying potency and even the craziest one I would still walk around and buy lunch. Shit I bought a get rad album on more than an eighth one dude knew i was fuckedbut oh well
Potency varies a lot with MS
but if you get a good potency MS/clone and mushroom chocolates even 3.5g can be intense :-)
powder in chocolates seems to intensify the experience a bit vs eating them regular in large pieces
more surface area, 3g can make me one with everything often
but its been a few months sine Ive last tripped.. chocolates just seems to intensify a bit/and more pleasant trip too (no nausea)
to the ones saying full stomach tripping is good: I once took 3.5g chocolates on full stomach then I decided they didnt work so I ate 1.5g chocolates more after 2 hours where nothing had happened my mind is new since ;-) heh suddenly they all hit at once it seemed
fast/eat very lightly/healthy, turn off+hide phone, be alone - my #1 rule in tripping
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Its all genetics IMO. My first grow I ate 4 grams and got nothing. A week later I tried 4 more grams from the same cake and got destroyed. Spore syringes will work just fine on agar, you just need to isolate good genetics and grow those
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
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seems likely....
Ive tried that as well, where 5-6g did nothing on straw (due to bacteria in grow and the shrooms trying to outgrow it.. or weak genetis)
and much variation with MS, first batch nothing on 3.5-4g, next batch very intense on 3.5-4g
but BRF is usually very potent compared to straw in my limited experience somehow all straw attempts have been pretty weak potency
(even with a clone that was strong on BRF it seems)
have tried ordinary BRF cakes maybe 15 times, and the 10 of those times with MS they were very potent, the other times they didnt even make me trip with 4g ...but sometimes/often next flush is much stronger iirc
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
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Please review this and stop telling how awesome you are because you eat 5 grams.
i have no idea what kind of mushies these guys grow..
many of my friends tried 1-1.5, they were never disappointed..
THANK YOU. It seems that no one wanted to address my problem, but instead felt the need to hijack the thread to let everyone know that they need more mushrooms to gain any effects.
It's because this type of question gets posted all the time all the while there's 100s of threads out there that already addressed the possible reasons and info.
I searched the forums and didn't find anything useful so I made a thread in the hopes I would get some help. Even if this particular problem is ubiquitous, I don't see how flexing your dick around on a thread helps at all. I wasn't looking for a clear-cut answer, just some direction. What I wasn't looking for, was a surplus of bros telling me to man up and take more. My friend and I are no strangers to eating these mushrooms; However, we are very new to cultivation. Throughout our travels, 2 grams has ALWAYS been plenty, hence my confusion as to why more than that did nothing this time around. I've ruled out tolerance issues here. I'm leaning more towards a cultivation error, bad spores, etc..
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bad spores lol.
I gave you all the info there is to know a few pages back
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Rule of thumb. Eat them till you're full or at least 3.5 if they're not ones you grew from a potent isolate and even if they are deal with it and eat them.
This is like pot. Should one bowl do it for everyone? If you couldn't find a heap 1000s of threads deep about this stuff you should check your search engine tek.
No ones trying to be a dick but we have fun with these threads.
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wouldn't be a cult error, contams are a cult error, thats just shitty luck don't sweat it we answer q's that get asked everyday no matter what, you may take some flak for it but the point is you learn shit when you ask q's, good luck on your next journey
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: bodhisatta]
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I gave you all the info there is to know a few pages back
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Rule of thumb. Eat them till you're full or at least 3.5 if they're not ones you grew from a potent isolate and even if they are deal with it and eat them.
This is like pot. Should one bowl do it for everyone? If you couldn't find a heap 1000s of threads deep about this stuff you should check your search engine tek.
No ones trying to be a dick but we have fun with these threads.
While I don't understand cloning yet, I do appreciate this information; it does she'd some light on this problem I'm having. Many thanks.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Violet]
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OP's weak flush is likely related to genetics, but I bet it's not genes alone. MS is wildcard but even MS is unlikely to be bunk given certain facets of procedure.
For instance, my question for you MustardTiger: Did you 'consolidate' your cakes ample time after colonized? 7 days is considered a suggestive minimum for PF cake consolidation, and in general for freshly-colonized grain food. Consolidation helps assure proper strength. Rushed fruits are more likely to be pale in potency.
I've experienced higher potency with increased colonization/consolidation times, too--and this was on grain. It was actually not really intentional, but I ended up leaving a few jars of grain that I planned on spawning to bulk fully colonized for 3 weeks. PrimalSoup was doing a project on this, which I didn't know about until after the jars were spawned. I thought, "Huh…we'll just have to see how this turns out…" Mr. Buffalo (unaware of all of this and really not giving two shits about how this is all done) commented that this harvest was much stronger than previous harvests. Conventional wisdom is that consolidation is only done for cakes to make them more cakey, and you should spawn to bulk at 100% for grain. So maybe there's something to this "consolidation to add potency" business. What have you got to lose by waiting a few weeks?
I'm curious how this has worked out for others.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: lessismore]
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mio said: powder in chocolates seems to intensify the experience a bit vs eating them regular in large pieces
more surface area, 3g can make me one with everything often
but its been a few months sine Ive last tripped.. chocolates just seems to intensify a bit/and more pleasant trip too (no nausea)
to the ones saying full stomach tripping is good: I once took 3.5g chocolates on full stomach then I decided they didnt work so I ate 1.5g chocolates more after 2 hours where nothing had happened my mind is new since ;-) heh suddenly they all hit at once it seemed
fast/eat very lightly/healthy, turn off+hide phone, be alone - my #1 rule in tripping
chocolates is even more love than an ordinary trip , try it.. worth the time, best way of eating them IMO
I'm totally making this. What's your recipe?
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Pastywhyte said: I have found a great deal of variation with ms. There have been some ms grows where I ate 5 grams and got nothing. But my last ms grow I had 2.5 grams and ended up falling on the floor. I like to slant good potent genetics and that is usually the main factor determining if I keep a clone or isolate, more so than colonization speed, yield or fruit size. I like to get without having to stuff myself.
Makes sense. This was my first grow so I'm sure luck, and few mistakes on my end caused this catastrophe. Switching to agar and grains next go around. I need to get a hold of a good print first; this experience with internet-bought spore syringes has made me weary. Thanks for the input, bud.
Don't dismiss the power of cakes. I've heard people say they consistently get better potency with cakes. Maybe it's the consolidation thing.
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I haven't grown off cakes in 2 years. But personally I feel that potency is genetic anyway and has little to do with the substrate used.
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I've had good luck with .....
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Just genetics amigo! Sometimes you bust and sometimes you flush, but never be afraid to try again.
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I thought it was only verboten to plug non-Shroomery vendors.
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We don't discuss sponsors in cultivation, these spores are for microscopy use only! Don't want them to get in trouble now do we As for non sponsors your free to mention them just don't try to post links to them or boost their products. Feel free to bash crappy vendors like spores101 or mushbox by name as they suck donkey balls and no one should purchase their crap unless they like contams and oysters labeled as cubes.
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OP's weak flush is likely related to genetics, but I bet it's not genes alone. MS is wildcard but even MS is unlikely to be bunk given certain facets of procedure.
For instance, my question for you MustardTiger: Did you 'consolidate' your cakes ample time after colonized? 7 days is considered a suggestive minimum for PF cake consolidation, and in general for freshly-colonized grain food. Consolidation helps assure proper strength. Rushed fruits are more likely to be pale in potency.
I've experienced higher potency with increased colonization/consolidation times, too--and this was on grain. It was actually not really intentional, but I ended up leaving a few jars of grain that I planned on spawning to bulk fully colonized for 3 weeks. PrimalSoup was doing a project on this, which I didn't know about until after the jars were spawned. I thought, "Huh…we'll just have to see how this turns out…" Mr. Buffalo (unaware of all of this and really not giving two shits about how this is all done) commented that this harvest was much stronger than previous harvests. Conventional wisdom is that consolidation is only done for cakes to make them more cakey, and you should spawn to bulk at 100% for grain. So maybe there's something to this "consolidation to add potency" business. What have you got to lose by waiting a few weeks?
I'm curious how this has worked out for others.
Actually it's almost quite a common knowledge, around here at least, that consolidation can help ensure potency potential is realized. So there's definitely something to the consolidation-for-potency business, just like there's something to isolate-for-potency biz! With combining the many factors of potency including isolation, consolidation, quality grain growing, no destroyed colonies, less substrate mycelium, and more, potency can easily go from hither-tither predictable unpredictability to best-of-the-best.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Violet]
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Lol, SpitballJedi just got finished telling me that the idea of longer consolidation times affecting potency was bullshit.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Violet]
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pasty, spores101 is the worst EVER. ever. ever. i dont know how many more times i could write this.
ever. ever. ever? ever...
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Well then he has a lot of experienced growers and old hands speaking out against his case of it being BS. Hard to prove, sure. Hard to believe if you do it yourself, you bet it isn't. It's one of the major known reasons to 'consolidate' PF cakes, and a common explanation for 'bunk' fruits.
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ever. ever. ever? ever...
I think we should have a spores101 sucks balls thread to go with the growkits suck thread
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pasty, hell yeah. have you ever read the thread on another website from the ex-co-owner of spores 101? ill PM it to you.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
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first time I tripped out my own harvest I took 9.5gs with a maoi, 12 hours gone into hyperspace I though I died and was reborn a couple times among other things lol, scary and glorious, moral of the story dont be shy to take 3.5, or 4gs that seems to be the sweet spot for most males
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me too!
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Shit if you don't mind can you PM me the link too? I would love to see this bad lol
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mio said: powder in chocolates seems to intensify the experience a bit vs eating them regular in large pieces
more surface area, 3g can make me one with everything often
but its been a few months sine Ive last tripped.. chocolates just seems to intensify a bit/and more pleasant trip too (no nausea)
to the ones saying full stomach tripping is good: I once took 3.5g chocolates on full stomach then I decided they didnt work so I ate 1.5g chocolates more after 2 hours where nothing had happened my mind is new since ;-) heh suddenly they all hit at once it seemed
fast/eat very lightly/healthy, turn off+hide phone, be alone - my #1 rule in tripping
chocolates is even more love than an ordinary trip , try it.. worth the time, best way of eating them IMO
I'm totally making this. What's your recipe?
Mushroom chocolate recipe: coffee grinder, $15 , grind shrooms to dust dark chocolate plate, $2, enough for 10 trips at least or so icecube tray (1g each cube , add 1g powder into each, chocolate rest, stir with fork) melt chocolate , can be done in microwave or in cup on stove... (or double boiler/chocolate melter) freeze them in alufoil, lasts a year easily
no taste, no nausea, better than capsules IMO best way of eating them IMO (tried OJ,capsules,fresh,dried,red wine,with water,lemontek etc.) tastes like ordinary chocolates, or even better than those
I normally never eat chocolates, but mushroom chocolates are good :P
the bodyload/nausea part is much reduced, so good trip almost everytime much love in each trip and stronger trips than eating them raw IMO, little bit stronger (my dose is 3-4g with chocolates vs 4-5g normal or so)
remember to fast/eat very little before eating them or they dont work as good... or could work too strong after many hours suddenly
psytrance(youtube) and a walk in nature is essential for any trip too :-)
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how many of you experience problems using MS? first time growing and I was quite unaware of what is being talked about with the potency varying... do less people use MS than I thought?
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These Colorado spores were from 101... Shame on me..
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Pastywhyte]
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Enjoy your B+
You mean oyster cubes........
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: PussyFart]
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You mean oyster cubes........
Them too my first grow with a spores101 syringe got me some crazy oysters. I was just referencing the link from poopy not realizing that not everyone has read it At least those cakes grew some cubes, I got oysters and nothing but with my attempt.
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You mean oyster cubes........
Them too my first grow with a spores101 syringe got me some crazy oysters. I was just referencing the link from poopy not realizing that not everyone has read it At least those cakes grew some cubes, I got oysters and nothing but with my attempt.
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Re: First flush, no trip. [Re: Aero]
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My buddy said he had 4 dudes trip hard off an eighth the other day , I was proud Luckily I have always had good potency with MS
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westthebest said: how many of you experience problems using MS? first time growing and I was quite unaware of what is being talked about with the potency varying... do less people use MS than I thought?
I'll stick up for MS, because I like getting surprises every now and then.
"MS is a crapshoot," yeah, yeah, yeah...we know the oft repeated dogma...
I think it's less of a big deal than people make it out to be, but it's true: it's luck of the draw. Anyway, obviously if spore vendors and print-trading are as popular as they are, people are (mostly) using MS.
Isolates are nice to get off of a good surprise from a MS crap shoot.
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Sometime you get bad ones , Im sure Ive got some but my friends didnt know enough to tell me
I do think that if you buy from vendors they are getting the spores from somewhere and they are likely coming from a good source which if im correct means that the spores that come off them are better its still a crap shoot but you have better chances
I just came up with that , please tell me if im wrong
It makes sense to me but I am no biologist or mycologist
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