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Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients * 2
    #19163954 - 11/20/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/trey-radel-drug-testing_n_4305348.html


WASHINGTON -- In September, Rep. Trey Radel voted for Republican legislation that would allow states to make food stamp recipients pee in cups to prove they're not on drugs. In October, police busted the Florida Republican on a charge of cocaine possession.

“It’s really interesting it came on the heels of Republicans voting on everyone who had access to food stamps get drug tested," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told BuzzFeed Tuesday. "It’s like, what?”

The House over the summer approved an amendment by Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.) that would let states drug test people on food stamps. The amendment passed by voice vote, meaning members' individual yeas and nays were not recorded. Radel later voted in favor of a broader food stamps bill that included Hudson's measure.

In support of his drug testing legislation, Hudson cited the many state legislatures around the country that had considered similar requirements for other means-tested programs in recent years.

"This is a clear and obvious problem in our communities as nearly 30 states have introduced legislation to drug test for welfare programs," Hudson said. "We have a moral obligation to equip the states with the tools they need to discourage the use of illegal drugs."

Most of the state legislation was authored by Republicans. Oftentimes, state Democrats responded by suggesting lawmakers should be subject to tests as well. If the government's going to make sure recipients of taxpayer-funded benefits are clean, the argument went, then why not also make sure the recipients of taxpayer salaries are clean, too?

In June, Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) made that very suggestion when he questioned why recipients of crop insurance and other government benefits weren't also targeted for drug tests like people on food stamps.




"Why don't we drug test all the members of Congress here," McGovern said shortly before the drug-testing measure passed. "Force everybody to go urinate in a cup or see whether or not anybody is on drugs? Maybe that will explain why some of these amendments are coming up or why some of the votes are turning out the way they are."

The fate of the food stamp drug testing provision is in the hands of a House-Senate conference committee hashing out differences between food stamp and farm legislation that passed the two chambers. It's got a chance. Last year, Congress passed a law to let states drug-test some unemployment insurance recipients.

Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: overstand] * 1
    #19163981 - 11/20/13 08:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice,"


bull fucking shit.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: wortiesbo]
    #19163996 - 11/20/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice,"


bull fucking shit.




you either do not understand the relationship between blow and booze or you think this dude is a phony, I think both :tongue:


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: tealeaf] * 1
    #19164274 - 11/20/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Remind me again how our government officials are supposed to be "different" than officials in Mexico or South Africa??


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
    #19164361 - 11/20/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....


not sure i think people who are so poor that they are taking my tax dollars need to be getting high


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
    #19164383 - 11/20/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....


not sure i think people who are so poor that they are taking my tax dollars need to be getting high





it's a valid point as well, HOWEVER, Representative is a politician and therefore his income is ALSO paid for with your TAX DOLLARS.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19164390 - 11/20/13 10:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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NWlight said:
The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....





His entire salary is paid for by tax dollars!  And you don't think he gets health insurance, etc. paid for by tax dollars also? 

But anyway, I just love this story.  Stuff like this warms my heart and makes me want to go on living. 















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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
    #19164396 - 11/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ahh yes, the other side of that coin.  However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time.  He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it.  in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.

there is an important distinction there for me.


however,


At the very least he should be kicked out of office if he has ever voted down a drug reform bill


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
    #19164463 - 11/20/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

again, a valid point.  Shouldn’t the Rep. Radel be required to share his stash with taxpayers ?? 

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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
    #19164474 - 11/20/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I'd do some lines with a representative :smirk:

hell I did pay for part of it


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19164504 - 11/20/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Ahh yes, the other side of that coin.  However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time.  He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it.  in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.

there is an important distinction there for me.




That's a stupid distinction.  So it's okay if he spends your tax dollars on cocaine if he doesn't need the money, but it's not okay if someone else spends your tax dollars on cocaine if they need the money.  First off, Radel DOES need that money.  That's his salary.  That's how he puts food on the table.  Same with someone on welfare.  That is their (temporary) salary and is how they put food on the table. 

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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19164514 - 11/20/13 10:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
    #19164558 - 11/20/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Learyfan said:
Quote:

NWlight said:
Ahh yes, the other side of that coin.  However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time.  He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it.  in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.

there is an important distinction there for me.




That's a stupid distinction.  So it's okay if he spends your tax dollars on cocaine if he doesn't need the money, but it's not okay if someone else spends your tax dollars on cocaine if they need the money.  First off, Radel DOES need that money.  That's his salary.  That's how he puts food on the table.  Same with someone on welfare.  That is their (temporary) salary and is how they put food on the table. 

:drgonz:[/url]



I have no objection to food stamps, I know several people who get them and deserve them.

The clear distinction to me is that the representative is actually earning my tax dollars (you can debate that point too depending on what policies this rep has voted for and against, that's not the purpose of my argument) while the person on food stamps is not doing anything to earn my tax dollars.


therefore, what the rep does with his own money is none of my business


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 2
    #19164658 - 11/20/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So we should take away the 4th Amendment rights of somebody getting food stamps? Let's take away their right to vote too while we're at it.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #19164681 - 11/20/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

when you rely on public resources you give up certain rights, yes.


For example, to drive you need a license and you need to be insured.

to receive MY hard earned money you should have to prove you aren't spending it on drugs.


if you are, then you clearly don't need it.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 3
    #19164689 - 11/20/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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when you rely on public resources you give up certain rights, yes.




Since when?


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #19164697 - 11/20/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

since always.  you don't have a RIGHT to foodstamps either, it's a privilege.


those who get special privileges have to make sacrifices to get them.


I used the word "right" erroneously.  I don't want to derail the argument into semantics.  I meant exactly what I said just now in THIS post.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
    #19164705 - 11/20/13 11:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let's all round them up and put them in work camps. :rolleyes:


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
    #19164714 - 11/20/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

nice straw man.


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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] * 1
    #19164718 - 11/20/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

How about you leave the poor alone and mind your own business.  Give them their money like a human being and let them do with it what they want.  When I give a bum a dollar, I'm giving it to him out of love and because I'm a human being.  If he chooses to use that money on drugs, that's his decision.  But I did my part. 

So I want you to find a soul and to stop letting the media pit you against your brother while the corporations take the real tax money. 
















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