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OfflinePsilocybeingzz
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WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!)
    #1916436 - 09/14/03 09:37 PM (14 years, 9 days ago)

Well in 1999 the WTO didnt get what it wanted and in 2003 they LOSE AGIAN , now if thw worlds people can fight off the FTAA, and bitch slap Nafta and Apec


I am really happy about this , this is the kind of news I LIKE to see!!!!!


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1916831 - 09/15/03 12:15 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

/e goes off to look up 'news' reports of the WTO meetings...

I wish I could have gone to Cancun to, uh... protest. yah - protest!


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1917137 - 09/15/03 02:03 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

Uh... Apec? I can't really think what you mean by this other than "OPEC". NAFTA and OPEC are not related whatsoever. Could you elaborate on this claim?


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: lysergic]
    #1917143 - 09/15/03 02:04 AM (14 years, 9 days ago)

APEC!
asia pacific economic cooperation!!!!!!!

you are just waiting to catch me slip up and say ANYTHING you can prove wrong vecause of other posts anet you


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
    #1918230 - 09/15/03 03:19 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

what's so bad about international free trade and globalization?


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: ]
    #1918244 - 09/15/03 03:23 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I wonder this too. I admit being ignorant on the subject. Any good links that present a fair assessment of the subject?


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: shakta]
    #1918302 - 09/15/03 03:42 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

i am not hoping for, but expecting, links on the subject. given psilocybeingzz's passion for this topic, i would think that he might be able to form a concise paragraph, on his own, detailing the problems of globalization and free trade... perhaps even with enough punctuation to be readable. i'd like to see it.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: ]
    #1918326 - 09/15/03 03:48 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

what's so bad about international free trade and globalization?

What does that mean apart from being nice buzzwords tho? It's like George Bush saying he wants "freedom".


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: Xlea321]
    #1918380 - 09/15/03 04:00 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

"globalization" is a big bogeyman to alot of people. i'm hoping that someone who has a problem with it can define it in their terms and make the case for it being a bad thing.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: ]
    #1918705 - 09/15/03 06:03 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

The way I see it globalisation of itself is not a bad thing. It is the way that it is implemented that is the problem. The rules of the global economy are made by those who are most powerful and as is natural amongst humans they make sure that they take care of themselves first. The main problem the third world nations have is the way agriculture is dealt with. Western governments subsidise the over production of their farmers to keep them in business. This overproduce then gets sold onto third world countries at a lower rate than native farmers can produce it. A good example of this problem are the maize farmers in Mexico. There is just no way they can compete with the cheap subsidised maize from the U.S.
Now some will argue that this is just the way of the world and these countries have to somehow try harder. Another common arguement is that the western world had to develop too so whats to stop the third world countries doing the same? However that arguement conveniently forgets that there were no massive financial powers who we had to compete against and also alot of western wealth has been gained through the use of third world countries i.e minerals, gemstones, oil etc.
Then you have the problem of huge unservicable debts which severely hinders the growth of these nations. Alot of these loans from the world bank etc would have been spent on contracts to western companies.
Also globalisation has lead to a massive increase in currency speculation. I dont know the ins and outs of this but Im fairly sure it can have a very negative affect on some of these countries.

There is no way we can avoid globalisation. Its the way we are evolving. But we do have the choice of globalisation through exploitation or globalisation by fair cooperation.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: GazzBut]
    #1918764 - 09/15/03 06:21 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

the specific example you used (the one about agriculture) is flawed i believe.

if someone in a foreign country finds it more economically prudent to import corn and sell it, rather than grow it for sale, what's the problem? instead of farmers, you've got produce merchants.

selling something to someone for cheaper than it would have cost them to produce it themselves doesn't seem like it can do them much harm.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: ]
    #1918871 - 09/15/03 06:52 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

what's so bad about international free trade and globalization?

I would have no problems with it if it was actually free. but some countries engage in all kinds of unfair trade practices. the reason the poor countries walked out of the WTO meeting is because of farm subsidies in the rich countries. a group of countries calling themselves the "group of 21" including India, China and Brazil and representing more than half the population in the world contend that the United States and Europe give unfair farm subsidies to their farmers totalling $300 biliion which result in their own farmers being less competitve and suffering because of it.

The US always talks about free trade and open markets but we have some protectionist tendencies of our own here. we demand other countries open up their markets to foreign competition but we don't do the same thing. farming isn't the only area where this happens, it just happened to be the most contentious issue at the meetings. in other words, we talk the talk but don't walk the walk and as long as such hypocrisy exists, the poorer countries in the world have every right to say "fuck you. you can take your 'free' trade and globalization and shove it up your ass".



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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!! [Re: infidelGOD]
    #1919021 - 09/15/03 07:38 PM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Protectionism is a bad thing no question there, but I believe that the disservice is done to the country with the protectionist laws not their trade partners.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!!) [Re: ]
    #1920469 - 09/16/03 03:53 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

Quote:

selling something to someone for cheaper than it would have cost them to produce it themselves doesn't seem like it can do them much harm.





But what are they supposed to buy this cheap produce with if their best source of income is farming? Its not a level playing field. Our farmers couldnt exist without government intervention. I thought that those on the right believe government intervention in trade etc to be a bad thing...but not when its helping us screw with the third world eh?


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!! [Re: z@z.com]
    #1920472 - 09/16/03 03:54 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

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but I believe that the disservice is done to the country with the protectionist laws not their trade partners.





Please explain the logic behind this. Protectionism is there to protect a country not do it a disservice.


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!! [Re: GazzBut]
    #1921063 - 09/16/03 11:58 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

FOr those of you who would like to learn more about what Globalization (and it's corrolary - privatization), its theory and practice, as well as how it effects the world in real ways, here are your books:

Globalization and its Discontents - Joseph E. Stiglitz
Fences and Windows - Naomi Klein

EDIT:
And, to be fair, here's another:
The Lexus and the Olive Tree - Thomas Friedman
This one is more theory about why globalization should work. Friedman is an economist who came up with the theory. As a theory, it's actually quite sound. In practice, however, it cannot work. In the theoretical world, there is no greed, no hate, no profit margin, no market share, no political gain to be had...
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And if you've never read "No Logo" by Naomi Klein, then you should be ashamed of yourselves... Ms. Klein is possibly the best non-political (read: social) journalist in the English speaking world today. These two books are some of the most intelligent stuff I have ever read, and anyone who claims to be interested in how the world really works HAS to read her stuff, less'n they prove themselves to be less interested than they claim.

And here's a reasonably interesting site:
http://www.maketradefair.com/


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Edited by GernBlanston (09/16/03 12:02 PM)


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Re: WTO talks Collapse in mexico!!!!!!!(celebrate!BC STYLE!! [Re: GernBlanston]
    #1921066 - 09/16/03 11:59 AM (14 years, 8 days ago)

I will check it out.


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