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Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients 2
#19163954 - 11/20/13 08:24 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/19/trey-radel-drug-testing_n_4305348.html
WASHINGTON -- In September, Rep. Trey Radel voted for Republican legislation that would allow states to make food stamp recipients pee in cups to prove they're not on drugs. In October, police busted the Florida Republican on a charge of cocaine possession.
“It’s really interesting it came on the heels of Republicans voting on everyone who had access to food stamps get drug tested," House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) told BuzzFeed Tuesday. "It’s like, what?”
The House over the summer approved an amendment by Rep. Richard Hudson (R-N.C.) that would let states drug test people on food stamps. The amendment passed by voice vote, meaning members' individual yeas and nays were not recorded. Radel later voted in favor of a broader food stamps bill that included Hudson's measure.
In support of his drug testing legislation, Hudson cited the many state legislatures around the country that had considered similar requirements for other means-tested programs in recent years.
"This is a clear and obvious problem in our communities as nearly 30 states have introduced legislation to drug test for welfare programs," Hudson said. "We have a moral obligation to equip the states with the tools they need to discourage the use of illegal drugs."
Most of the state legislation was authored by Republicans. Oftentimes, state Democrats responded by suggesting lawmakers should be subject to tests as well. If the government's going to make sure recipients of taxpayer-funded benefits are clean, the argument went, then why not also make sure the recipients of taxpayer salaries are clean, too?
In June, Rep. Jim McGovern (D-Mass.) made that very suggestion when he questioned why recipients of crop insurance and other government benefits weren't also targeted for drug tests like people on food stamps.
"Why don't we drug test all the members of Congress here," McGovern said shortly before the drug-testing measure passed. "Force everybody to go urinate in a cup or see whether or not anybody is on drugs? Maybe that will explain why some of these amendments are coming up or why some of the votes are turning out the way they are."
The fate of the food stamp drug testing provision is in the hands of a House-Senate conference committee hashing out differences between food stamp and farm legislation that passed the two chambers. It's got a chance. Last year, Congress passed a law to let states drug-test some unemployment insurance recipients.
Radel apologized Tuesday for his cocaine bust and said he'd seek treatment.
"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: overstand] 1
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"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice,"
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: wortiesbo]
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"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice,"
bull fucking shit.
you either do not understand the relationship between blow and booze or you think this dude is a phony, I think both
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: tealeaf] 1
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Remind me again how our government officials are supposed to be "different" than officials in Mexico or South Africa??
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
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The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....
not sure i think people who are so poor that they are taking my tax dollars need to be getting high
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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NWlight said: The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....
not sure i think people who are so poor that they are taking my tax dollars need to be getting high
it's a valid point as well, HOWEVER, Representative is a politician and therefore his income is ALSO paid for with your TAX DOLLARS.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
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NWlight said: The representative isn't living on public assistance, though....
His entire salary is paid for by tax dollars! And you don't think he gets health insurance, etc. paid for by tax dollars also?
But anyway, I just love this story. Stuff like this warms my heart and makes me want to go on living.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
#19164396 - 11/20/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ahh yes, the other side of that coin. However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time. He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it. in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.
there is an important distinction there for me.
however,
At the very least he should be kicked out of office if he has ever voted down a drug reform bill
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19164463 - 11/20/13 10:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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again, a valid point. Shouldn’t the Rep. Radel be required to share his stash with taxpayers ??
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
#19164474 - 11/20/13 10:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd do some lines with a representative 
hell I did pay for part of it
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
#19164504 - 11/20/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Ahh yes, the other side of that coin. However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time. He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it. in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.
there is an important distinction there for me.
That's a stupid distinction. So it's okay if he spends your tax dollars on cocaine if he doesn't need the money, but it's not okay if someone else spends your tax dollars on cocaine if they need the money. First off, Radel DOES need that money. That's his salary. That's how he puts food on the table. Same with someone on welfare. That is their (temporary) salary and is how they put food on the table.

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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19164558 - 11/20/13 11:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: Ahh yes, the other side of that coin. However because I have used substances myself, I don't care what he does on his own time. He has a job and he isn't taking my taxes specifically because he is poor and NEEDS it. in other words, if you are having so much trouble getting money that I'm buying your food then you better not be using the money you DO have to buy drugs.
there is an important distinction there for me.
That's a stupid distinction. So it's okay if he spends your tax dollars on cocaine if he doesn't need the money, but it's not okay if someone else spends your tax dollars on cocaine if they need the money. First off, Radel DOES need that money. That's his salary. That's how he puts food on the table. Same with someone on welfare. That is their (temporary) salary and is how they put food on the table.
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I have no objection to food stamps, I know several people who get them and deserve them.
The clear distinction to me is that the representative is actually earning my tax dollars (you can debate that point too depending on what policies this rep has voted for and against, that's not the purpose of my argument) while the person on food stamps is not doing anything to earn my tax dollars.
therefore, what the rep does with his own money is none of my business
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19164658 - 11/20/13 11:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So we should take away the 4th Amendment rights of somebody getting food stamps? Let's take away their right to vote too while we're at it.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard] 1
#19164681 - 11/20/13 11:25 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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when you rely on public resources you give up certain rights, yes.
For example, to drive you need a license and you need to be insured.
to receive MY hard earned money you should have to prove you aren't spending it on drugs.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 3
#19164689 - 11/20/13 11:27 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: when you rely on public resources you give up certain rights, yes.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard] 1
#19164697 - 11/20/13 11:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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since always. you don't have a RIGHT to foodstamps either, it's a privilege.
those who get special privileges have to make sacrifices to get them.
I used the word "right" erroneously. I don't want to derail the argument into semantics. I meant exactly what I said just now in THIS post.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Let's all round them up and put them in work camps.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
#19164718 - 11/20/13 11:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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How about you leave the poor alone and mind your own business. Give them their money like a human being and let them do with it what they want. When I give a bum a dollar, I'm giving it to him out of love and because I'm a human being. If he chooses to use that money on drugs, that's his decision. But I did my part.
So I want you to find a soul and to stop letting the media pit you against your brother while the corporations take the real tax money.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan] 1
#19164732 - 11/20/13 11:34 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
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Learyfan said: How about you leave the poor alone and mind your own business. Give them their money like a human being and let them do with it what they want. When I give a bum a dollar, I'm giving it to him out of love and because I'm a human being. If he chooses to use that money on drugs, that's his decision. But I did my part.
So I want you to find a soul and to stop letting the media pit you against your brother while the corporations take the real tax money.
I actually work at a homeless medical clinic and work with that population pretty closely.
After years of working with the homeless I've learned that giving them money is actually very hurtful to their wellbeing because it enables a self-destructive and often alcoholic lifestyle. Every one of my coworkers shares this opinion.
I used to give the homeless money all the time until I started working with them.
You'd be much better off giving those dollars to a non-profit organization.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
#19164851 - 11/20/13 11:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A Republican hypocrite.
Fuckin shocked I tell ya!
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19165045 - 11/20/13 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nice one of your own. What rights are given up when you go on food stamps?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 3
#19165062 - 11/20/13 12:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There are some cruel people in this world. Someone living in poverty, in my opinion, has far more valid reasons to take drugs and escape their horrific existence than someone 'cursed with the disease of alcoholism...'.
What is the difference? The guy actively voting to deny people money/foodstamps to support themselves and families is taking drugs himself.. But he will "seek help", so it's all good.
News flash: most of your tax dollars get wasted on utter bullshit, subsidising multi-billion dollar corporations, totally needless military expansion year on year etc. You think a family should starve because someone smoked a joint with a buddy 3 weeks ago..?? (there is nothing that indicates proof is needed the people being tested actually bought the drugs themselves..).
Poor people are more likely to be suffering from mental health problems (thus more likely to have addiction issues), be from a minority, have a criminal record etc, none of which should make them exempt from basic social care to keep their kids in clothes, food and shelter. Also a LARGE percentage are likely to be veterans...
You really think the rich guy getting paid from taxes is more deserving to take drugs than a poor person? That is fucked up backwards logic IMO.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said: Nice one of your own. What rights are given up when you go on food stamps?
I already said in my previous post that I shouldn't have used the word "right" and I didn't want to argue semantics.
food stamps are a privilege, not a right. That much is obvious.
I believe that just like you have to pass your driving test and get a license to get a car, and just like you have to be insured, you should have to prove that you aren't using money for drugs if I'm the one paying for your food.
let's say your buddy was an addict and you kept giving him money for food and he kept trading it for heroin
would you feel cheated? damn right you would
edit: again, ZERO problems with the foodstamp program. but i'd rather see that money going to someone else who is more deserving.
boo hoo someone might have to stop smoking pot in order to get FREE FOOD.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Well first, you're assuming everybody on food stamps is also on drugs. This is definitely not the case.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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ToiletDuk said: Well first, you're assuming everybody on food stamps is also on drugs. This is definitely not the case.
I made no such assumption.
as said on page 1 and re-iterated above I have zero issue with foodstamps and I know several people who get them and are very deserving of them
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Yet you want to take away their 4th amendment rights because of it.
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boo hoo someone might have to stop smoking pot in order to get FREE FOOD.
Why should someone who shares a joint every few months or grows their own bud not be able to have the luxury of food as well...??
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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@ Toiletdukthey have the ability to not apply for foodstamps, nobody is forcing them. thus, no violation of 4th ammendment.
again, privilege implies sacrifice. using public funds means you have to be accountable.
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boo hoo someone might have to stop smoking pot in order to get FREE FOOD.
Why should someone who shares a joint every few months or grows their own bud not be able to have the luxury of food as well...??
It's a small sacrifice to make in order to be fed. I of course think marijuana should be legalized, as does most of the public now. We are working on changing this.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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So we drug test them all?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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NWlight said: they have the ability to not apply for foodstamps, nobody is forcing them. thus, no violation of 4th ammendment.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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NWlight said: they have the ability to not apply for foodstamps, nobody is forcing them. thus, no violation of 4th ammendment.
How is it not?
violation of the 4th ammendment (which I assume you are referencing to urine tests) in this case is VOLUNTARY.
just as you can choose to allow a search, you are consenting to UA's when you sign up for FREE FOOD.
Free food is a huge fucking deal, there are lots of hungry people in the world and if someone can't stop getting high to be eligible I have zero pity
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sure, but making sure the UA's are completely random so they don't know when it will be. this guarantees a better chance of catching them
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Your logic escapes me, but whatever. But don't take my word for it. The U.S. District Court in Orlando Florida agrees with me (or rather, I agree with them) Read it here -> http://www.aclufl.org/pdfs/2011-10-24-ACLUTanfOrder.pdf
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Le_Canard]
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appeal to authority is only valid when there is consensus among peers in the same field of expertise, which there is not.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Whatever.
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It's a small sacrifice to make in order to be fed. I of course think marijuana should be legalized, as does most of the public now. We are working on changing this.
Marijuana remains illegal on the federal level though.. So potentially this could see people legally allowed to grow weed at a state level, being left to starve due to a turn of bad luck/illness/injury etc. Children should be made to starve for this??
HHmmmm... Not so sure myself. America is just as addicted to drug testing as the population is to drugs. Maybe a more widespread change should be "worked on"....
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: egodeathflux]
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19165245 - 11/20/13 01:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not either, I don't live in the US anymore so couldn't really care less, maybe find out the implications before getting so gung-ho in your posts??
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: egodeathflux]
#19165256 - 11/20/13 01:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what implications are you talking about?
I'm aware that the system isn't perfect, all we can do is try to make it work for as many people as possible.
in the implication you stated, I think it's stupid that someone would keep smoking weed if they had a hungry child and the only way they could feed it is with foodstamps.
as I said, small price to pay, no?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19165303 - 11/20/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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typical republiKKKan
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: lurkmode]
#19165334 - 11/20/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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excellent contribution to the discussion.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19165447 - 11/20/13 01:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Radel was elected in 2012 to represent Florida's 19th Congressional District, which includes the Gulf Coast communities of Fort Myers and Naples. He was a radio host before becoming a congressman. He identifies himself on his Twitter profile as a "Hip Hop conservative" and "lover of #liberty," and his Twitter account has remained active in the past few weeks, including on the day of the bust. Among the bills he co-sponsored during his freshman term is legislation that would allow a judge to impose a sentence below a mandatory minimum, including for drug offenses. If Radel had been arrested in Florida with the same amount of cocaine it would be a third-degree felony punishable by five years in prison under state law.
At least this guy is not a completely hypocritical twat.
I do not generally support drug testing as it currently exists, but as long as it is legal for me to be tested by potential or current employers, I see no reason recipients of welfare should not be subject to the same testing.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Ojom]
#19165455 - 11/20/13 01:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19165624 - 11/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: sure, but making sure the UA's are completely random so they don't know when it will be. this guarantees a better chance of catching them
You are a heartless asshole! You're not only okay with adults starving, but you're okay with their children starving just because their father's friend gave him a bong hit last week. You have no soul. And you call yourself a fiscal conservative, but they've already proven that drug tests cost the tax payer more money than it saves. You're just buying into the anti-poor (yet somehow "pro-life") conservative propaganda.
I'll bet you aren't concerned in the least about billion dollar corporate subsidies and our bloated, wasteful military budget. But you sit around and worry that some pot smoker might be able to feed his family. You are everything that is wrong with society.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19165639 - 11/20/13 02:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if my kid was starving I wouldn't be smoking weed knowing I could be drug tested
I might disagree with you on this issue but I think it's far-reaching to call me a heartless asshole. I've said now three times that I'm not against food stamps at ALL. I think they're a great safety net for people who are down on their luck.
I also spend 16 hours a day preparing myself for a career which will involve taking a salary about 50% lower than other people with my qualifications so that I can work for the underserved. heartless, yeah that's me.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
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Okay, maybe I took it too far. Sorry. But you obviously are either against food stamps, or you're not sympathetic enough to pot smokers, or both. That's bad.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19165957 - 11/20/13 03:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I love when crap like this surfaces
they don't get tested
they get healthcare
they don't get minimum wage etc.
it's like when that hippie hater goverment dude gets caught dressin as a girl and is pedo
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap] 1
#19165968 - 11/20/13 03:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you either give money to homeless people or you don't
fuck off with the food stamp hating people!
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19166049 - 11/20/13 03:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: I am not positive but I think the decision of whether or not to test food stamp recipients for drugs remains at the state level
yes it is entirely a state administered program not federal. ALso, I agree with NWLIGHT, if someone NEEDS food assistance or WIC they need to be able to be accountable. It is a privilege. Just like driving a car or getting the GI BILL. Anyone here who can't see the logic needs to pull their heads out of their asses.
that being said Marijuana should be legalized and should cost $1/gr and be available in the produce section next to the chives and be available to people on food stamps. NOT heroin, cocaine, opium, etc...
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
#19166082 - 11/20/13 03:47 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the only one ignore the facts is YOU!
anyway, opiates do absolutely nothing to you, granted you shouldn't mix them with alcohaul but i know that and I've never taken not like they are going to start selling alcohol with opiates in them
why should we care anyway, people die of aspirin all the time
it's just a drug
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap] 1
#19166091 - 11/20/13 03:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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IMO food stamps are not a privalage, if you are a citizen of the country I think you are entitled to some benefits if you can't find a job that pays enough
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166116 - 11/20/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19166150 - 11/20/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Illyabo said: you either give money to homeless people or you don't
fuck off with the food stamp hating people!
I was referring to handing them cash vs. donating to a non-profit that helps them actually escape their situation.
I am also very pro-foodstamps, it's a great program.
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Illyabo said: IMO food stamps are not a privalage, if you are a citizen of the country I think you are entitled to some benefits if you can't find a job that pays enough
It certainly is a privilege, your existence is being enabled by the work of others. That is a privilege. You are not entitled to free food.
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Learyfan said: Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.
Many people in the world are starving and if I'm going to be paying for someone's food stamps they better be able to prove they aren't wasting time and money getting high.
Using public funds means you have to be accountable.
as I said earlier,
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Free food is a huge fucking deal, there are lots of hungry people in the world and if someone can't stop getting high to be eligible I have zero pity
nobody is stopping people from getting the food stamps but themselves because it is their choice to get intoxicated and spend money they don't have while taking mine.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 1
#19166196 - 11/20/13 04:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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what business is it of yours what someone does in their free time?
you think our country was built on people just paying to get by?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166217 - 11/20/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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please explain to me a situation whereby you'd want to give money to someone for food and then they spent it on drugs instead.
would you keep giving them money?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19166218 - 11/20/13 04:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: Yeah, I can't see how any human being would want to deny people the right to eat under any circumstance. Lack of heart and lack of perspective, I guess.

because if people cant manage their foodstamps without trading them for drugs they need to find assistance elsewhere.
I am NOT SAYING they shouldnt get fed, i'm just saying they should seek assistance elsewhere.
There are other food programs designed to help people in those exact situations. You can get free meal at a couple churches around town and there are foodbanks that hand out food "no questions asked" to people in need. I have been there and done that so if you want to argue with me about it you will only be showing me what an idiot you are.
opiate drugs are bad when abused. Opiate drugs are an absolute godsend when used appropriately as directed by a physician.
i do not think you mean what you think you mean...
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19166227 - 11/20/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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NWlight said: please explain to me a situation whereby you'd want to give money to someone for food and then they spent it on drugs instead.
would you keep giving them money?
lol they're farm subsidies worked out by pandering to republicans
no body is getting free labor out of it, the food is thrown out because it adds to the food monopoly
to think a citizen can't have food, shelter and recreation is something north korea could have came up with
are you goin to pay when their children are taking away and they go to jail?
they give felonies to people for using drugs, don't you know?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
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I am failing to see the relevance of what you're saying.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight]
#19166275 - 11/20/13 04:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yea I fail to see your relevance too
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
#19166286 - 11/20/13 04:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: overstand]
#19167938 - 11/20/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.
Lol, I like how when a politician gets arrested for drugs it can be because he has a legitimate psychological disorder but when millions of lower-class citizens are caught with drugs it's because what? They're irresponsible and immoral for making the decision to be addicted to drugs?
Ok, he's going to treatment so there should be no repercussions for him. Regular people? Oh, well, they need to be incarcerated and lose their jobs because of being labeled as felons.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: NWlight] 2
#19167959 - 11/20/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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There has been some really great discussion in this thread. I would just like to point out that urine testing welfare recipients will most likely only catch cannabis users. Most hard drugs are undetectable after 24 to 72 hours. Cannabis is detectable for 1 to 3 months depending on the amount of body fat that one has. I think cannabis should be legal and I don't care if food stamp recipients smoke weed. Weed is very inexpensive in most of the USA and its free if you grow it outside. I think it is absolutely abhorrent that this this politician would vote to take food away from starving families because of cannabis while he is using the tax payers money to do cocaine.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: overstand] 1
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Drug testing in general is vastly biased towards cannabis users. For example, how workplace drug testing for "safety" reasons is totally asinine and great for catching people who use cannabis in their free time while not at work.
Another thing that has occurred to me over and over while reading this thread is that even while welfare drug testing obviously isn't exclusively identifying cannabis users over hard drug users (it just is much easier to do so) what about people on welfare who are spending their money on alcohol? Alcoholism is extremely prevalent in low-income areas. I've witnessed many poor people who receive food stamps and still scrounge up money for beer or liquor. Is that just alright then?
I'm just saying if people are going to get all pissed off about welfare recipients taking advantage of their tax dollars and smoking weed I can't see why we would force them to take random UA's for illegal drugs but then not test them for alcohol just because it's legal for those over the age of 21.
The idea of people wasting money unnecessarily for recreation when they could spend it on food applies to alcohol in literally exactly the same way. It's actually worse in the case of testing for THC since alcohol is full blown addictive while cannabis is, at most, habit forming. Alcoholics are a lot more irresponsible in obtaining alcohol at all costs (even when they can't afford it) then habitual pot-heads are about getting cannabis because they'd prefer to have it.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Learyfan]
#19168636 - 11/21/13 04:40 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Learyfan said: How about you leave the poor alone and mind your own business. Give them their money like a human being and let them do with it what they want. When I give a bum a dollar, I'm giving it to him out of love and because I'm a human being. If he chooses to use that money on drugs, that's his decision. But I did my part.
So I want you to find a soul and to stop letting the media pit you against your brother while the corporations take the real tax money.

It's not their money, it's my money and I should have a say in how it's spent. Letting these people buy booze and drugs is just keeping them poor and continuing the cycle. That's not love at all.
I don't think reps should be paid at all. They should meet twice a year, do only the VITAL business of the union, and then go back to their real jobs- with term limits. However, the big government progs that turned a land of decentralized authority into an all powerful Super State created this system in their lust for control and this what you get- massive corruption to the core.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Ok amoismis]
#19168745 - 11/21/13 06:33 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok amoismis said:

Drug testing in general is vastly biased towards cannabis users. For example, how workplace drug testing for "safety" reasons is totally asinine and great for catching people who use cannabis in their free time while not at work.
Another thing that has occurred to me over and over while reading this thread is that even while welfare drug testing obviously isn't exclusively identifying cannabis users over hard drug users (it just is much easier to do so) what about people on welfare who are spending their money on alcohol? Alcoholism is extremely prevalent in low-income areas. I've witnessed many poor people who receive food stamps and still scrounge up money for beer or liquor. Is that just alright then?
I'm just saying if people are going to get all pissed off about welfare recipients taking advantage of their tax dollars and smoking weed I can't see why we would force them to take random UA's for illegal drugs but then not test them for alcohol just because it's legal for those over the age of 21.
The idea of people wasting money unnecessarily for recreation when they could spend it on food applies to alcohol in literally exactly the same way. It's actually worse in the case of testing for THC since alcohol is full blown addictive while cannabis is, at most, habit forming. Alcoholics are a lot more irresponsible in obtaining alcohol at all costs (even when they can't afford it) then habitual pot-heads are about getting cannabis because they'd prefer to have it.
I agree with all of this, except what I struck through. Living on government handouts? No alcohol, drugs, or hell, even tobacco for you. Better your situation if you want to waste money on non-essentials.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Ojom] 1
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Why the strike through?? I know a ton of people that will and do steal alcohol. I worked in a liquor store for 2 1/2 years in my late teens/early 20's and daily theft was just accepted. I think our individual store wrote off something like £1,000 (probably near $2,000) per week in theft they knew would occur and couldn't be avoided.
Why does alcohol seem more legitimate than pot? Or am I misinterpreting your post?
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: egodeathflux]
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If one is so poor that they cannot afford the very basics then they should not waste money on luxuries like drugs and alcohol.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: setb] 1
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So we should throw money at a program to drug test people even if it waste money and ruins lives
which it indeed does
I don't get why anyone is saying this, you are all accusing low income people of not being able to control their vices during a recession
this is hate speech
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
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no- it is not hate speech. You are confusing what we are saying about rich money grubbing politicians and need poor people with the rights of regular citizens.
if you wanted to buy coke and blow your paycheck that's fine-- just dont come to me for grocery money after you do that. I slap a hoe.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
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does anybody make any god damn sense anymore?...
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: Konyap]
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
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"I struggle with the disease of alcoholism, and this led to an extremely irresponsible choice," he said.
Ah..the ol' Rob Ford excuse. Isn't that too new of an excuse to be used by another politician already? Should have gone with an excuse a little less recent and it might have been more believable.
"Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine," Ford said to a group of reporters, adding that it was an isolated incident that occurred "probably in one of my drunken stupors."
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: SuperD]
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"Yes, I have smoked crack cocaine," Ford said to a group of reporters, adding that it was an isolated incident that occurred "probably in one of my drunken stupors."
actually i know a guy who did that-- and it almost started a serious fight because he was so drunk he held the pipe wrong and the crack fell out on the ground.
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: travelleler]
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I'd be a little upset too if some careless drunk asshole made me waste the next 30 minutes searching every square inch of my carpet.
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a horse-fart in a hurricane



Registered: 08/30/08
Posts: 3,955
Loc: yonder mountains
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Re: Rep. Trey Radel, Busted On Cocaine Charge, Voted For Drug Testing Food Stamp Recipients [Re: SuperD]
#19175680 - 11/22/13 05:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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he thought it was weed---
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"Whales have deep thoughts"
Dreams are the fuel of the soul
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