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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19478843 - 01/26/14 08:45 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

I've seen that on RC

that grid has some leeway to the outerworld

http://illusion.scene360.com/wp-content/themes/sahara-10/submissions/earth_grid_01.jpg

looked like this on RC, except otherworldly, one place was a cyberterrain like this another was a desert with mountains hundreds of miles away, lots of blues greys clear grid colors


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MindDrips]
    #19478880 - 01/26/14 08:55 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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To an extent, I know what you're talking about.  Wouldn't have referenced that pic myself but yea.  The grid network that permeates the construction of this reality.  Sure, why wouldn't you?  Geometry FTW




I see the grid on LSD too, and this theory seems to resonate with me as well.
It feels like I am seeing the skeletal structure of energy in the universe, it's wonderful!





Yup, same here...I concur with the posts above. Interesting to hear these common themes from others, and in regards to LSD in particular. I too feel like the grid I'm perceiving to be some sort of underlying fundamental part of reality that gives rise to this 3-d "physical" place we find ourselves day to day...and what it gives rise to extends far beyond the thin sliver of reality we're able to perceive.



While on LSD (usually not all that pronounced until I take around approximately 150mcg or more) I generally notice a grid-mesh overlaying certain surfaces, and even permeating "space" & the air, becoming warped and having contour in certain aspects. But my most profound experience that relates to this grid, was slipping into pure unadulterated awareness of this grid and the geometry that seems to sit upon it (or arise from it?), like falling into the "back stage", slipping behind the curtain, of this grand arena of reality.




I described this grid/experience in my thread about Inhaling nitrous oxide while on LSD .

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Inhaling the balloon while laying down in my tent...With eyes open I started to see pattering that I can only describe as Penrose Tiling start to form in the air itself, the patterns were semi-transparent and vibrating/buzzing and shifting around in various layers ever so slightly. I quickly lose touch/dissolve, "break off" from the here and now of where I was, and become nothing more than a point of awareness laying upon and meshed into a flat grid/plane which expanded infinitely. While there, my point of awareness was composed of/represented by, all I was, was a purple Dodecahedron. This dodecahedron had a very interesting dynamic to it that I could feel just as if it was my body, it had movement in several different "axis" simultaneously. It was buzzing/vibrating, spinning in circles very slowly, and what stood out the most was an oscillation/pull of sorts that was at a low frequency, around 7hz to 10hz or so. This sensation of the oscillation/pull was remarkably similar to the feeling of holding a spinning bike wheel in between your hands, that feeling of pull that comes from the angular momentum & Gyroscopic precession of a spinning object.

So I became this spinning/vibrating/oscillating purple dodecahedron hovering above/laying upon an infinite grid, within an infinite expanse of nothing...just this infinite grid, and the dodecahedron. But I was also very much aware of and a part of the infinite grid as well, ever fabric of my being/awareness was meshed into and stretched out across the infinite grid , and there was that low frequency/oscilation feeling coursing through me. While this was occurring I was simply just aware, observing, there wasn't much sense or awareness of my self as an individual. As my sense of self started to trickle back, I was filled with the utmost feeling of "awe", grandeur, appreciation, thankfulness, pure unadulterated bliss, ecstasy.

I'm not sure how long I was "out" for, but when I started to come back to I had an intense sensation that I can only describe as something pouring out of my chest/solar plexus region....accompanied with this sensation was uncontrollable heavy ecstatic breathing that went on for at least several minutes, all the while tears were pouring out of my eyes like a busted faucet.


I wasn't sure what to make of the whole ordeal, as I had never been kicked out there quite like that before with L & nitrous. It felt like my awareness slipped into some abstract background, some fundamental place that underlies and gives rise to this 3D meat-space we find ourselves stuck in, or consciousness itself. I mean words can only go so far at conveying things, which they tend to fail horribly, but in a certain aspect this was hands down the most profound psychedelic experience I've had, as in being completely gone, my awareness was transported to an entirely different place.


















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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: GreatestDancer]
    #19478957 - 01/26/14 09:11 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

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I've seen The Grid too. I saw it the first time I took 4-Aco-DMT.

It looked like a perfectly symmetrical green and yellow energy grid with energy dots at its intersection points and connections that could only be seen when I focused on or glimpsed at it from the corner of my eye. The intersections visibility was quite prominent. The space between each intersection point was, from memory, as wide as my forearm and some of the energy connections between intersections seemed to fade away.

What was weird and made me believe this was more proof of the reality to be found in taking tryptamine substances was the fact that the two friends I was partying with also saw it. We confirmed this shared experience by pointing to various intersection points autonomously - the awe and joy we had over this mystery was incredible. We thought it was space/time itself. We have not seen it since.

I then told another friend who explained that he had already told me about it, the story of the first time he took LSD, when he saw "energy force fields." I questioned this friend further and also another friend he was with and by lining up their experiences with my own we confirmed that it must have been the same grid - The Grid.

I believe metaphysics is at the opposite end of current physics - two ends of the same stick. Some of the answers physicists are searching out with machines like the LHC can already be found and seen when taking substances that give metaphysical experiences.

After much thought and research on The Grid, I believe that this is not the fabric of space/time but the Higgs Field, the invisible energy field that permeates the universe.

READ: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_field
WATCH: Through the Wormhole with Morgan Freeman S04E01 - http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/135932/Through_the_Wormhole_Season_4_Episode_1__Is_There_a_God_Particle_720p_HD/

If you read and watch the above you will find that science discovered the Higgs boson in 2012 with the help of the LHC, confirming the Higgs Field's existence.

The Higgs boson is the particle that turns energy into matter. This may be the God particle if confirmed to stand alone as a fundamental particle, meaning it is made up of nothing but itself, or, if its made up of smaller quantum particles then this could mean it might be one of five Higgs bosons and also, perhaps, the first example of dark matter.

The reason I believe The Grid is the Higgs Field is because of the descriptions each person has given on forums like this, how each description lines up, and what we know of the Higgs Field thanks to the groundbreaking work of physicists from around the world.

The Grid is the most powerful thing I've ever seen. It's scary, joyous, beautiful, mind boggling beyond anything else. I think this is a milestone in human consciousness and also in understanding the universe.

What do you guys think?

Thanks for taking the time to read my post.

Regards.

P.S. More discussion here: https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=41212




Dude, fuck yeah! I saw it on 3 hits of DOB. I mistook it for the force that condenses energy into mass. Would make sense too, as the Higg's field, the God Particle, makes up everything.

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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: openmind]
    #19478981 - 01/26/14 09:17 PM (10 years, 4 days ago)

I have recently really pushed the boundaries of what's real with moderate doses of 4-ho-mipt stacked on top of mxe, I experienced complete ego death each time.

I emerged in somewhat of a state of gnosis where I feel spiritually set in life.

I saw life as this grid, it's a spiritual battleground, where opposing forces, light and darkness with many names and labels are in constant battle, in this battle, creation, perspective and human life emerges.

Life is the act of creation judging itself. Hell is when those judgments are, no good.

This is only obvious to those that have realized this themselves...

Edit.. Reading all this information about the Higgs field only confirms this in my mind.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: openmind]
    #19482097 - 01/27/14 04:02 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

I saw something similar and I believe it was an RC however it's hard to tell as I had a potent edible with it.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: JacksonMetaller]
    #19482869 - 01/27/14 06:57 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

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Saw it once on 4-aco-dmt



Fuck me I need to try 4 aco




It's meh in my opinion. Not a bad drug by any means. In fact it's pretty good as far as RC's go. But i wouldn't really go out of my way to take it again



Most dose way too conservatively on this one IMO.  It's wonderful at higher doses or protentiated with harmalas.
I gotta say this reminded me of this.  They just found it its called "the cosmic web".  Its pretty much what y'all are talking about. 
And I saw it clearly with high powered LSD blotter. :hst:


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: mattritt]
    #19484216 - 01/27/14 11:39 PM (10 years, 3 days ago)

same here. on L my visuals are so precise and geometric, that they are almost predictable.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: thedude1992]
    #19484428 - 01/28/14 01:01 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

I don't see grids, but I always see water crystals, thousands of them that are rainbow in color, forming and desolving. Or thousands of tub worms rainbow colored fanning the water growing shrinking. pretty intense. Love it.

The water crystals look like this but extraordinary colors, forming and melting.



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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: thedude1992]
    #19484443 - 01/28/14 01:12 AM (10 years, 3 days ago)

I get a variety of grids - some made of light, some made of plant material, some of flesh, on a variety of psychedelics, I find it normal.

in the early part of the 20th century it was called polyopia and first reported with mescaline.

polyopia is consistent with other layering effects, and may be optical or conceptual: i.e. sensory events fading slower than usual will overlap; and also mentally processed (thought) events fading more slowly overlap -> when the difference is slight the alignment of subsequent ideas offset as part of a grid, and as that piece is reviewed, its passing is easily duplicated, quadricated, 16-ified, etc.

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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19485876 - 01/28/14 11:49 AM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Another think I see personally on LSD is something very interesting to me, and I wonder if anybody else has experienced it.

At the center of my vision during and after a peak of 1-2 tabs of LSD, I see a subtle, angular, almost kaleidoscopic mandala pattern around the center of my focus. It seems to permeate whatever wall or surface I am seeing, and I wonder if it will show itself in more clear detail for me at higher doses.
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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MindDrips]
    #19486013 - 01/28/14 12:27 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

I see grids pretty much every time I've taken cubes. Usually going through the sky at night, they're usually red or green. The heaviest cube trip I had, I had grids like that, rotating like a windmill in my peripherals, and they were changing colors.

LSD for me is more fractals, different things and people emanating rainbow lines, kaleidoscope type visuals.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MindDrips]
    #19486040 - 01/28/14 12:32 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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Another think I see personally on LSD is something very interesting to me, and I wonder if anybody else has experienced it.

At the center of my vision during and after a peak of 1-2 tabs of LSD, I see a subtle, angular, almost kaleidoscopic mandala pattern around the center of my focus. It seems to permeate whatever wall or surface I am seeing, and I wonder if it will show itself in more clear detail for me at higher doses.
Who knows!



yes I get that - radial mandala thing, both central and diffused: as fine bright golden circular patterns or patinas on skin and fabrics, on lower doses sparkles and fractal patinas.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19486067 - 01/28/14 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Nope the one i saw was blue haha


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: Notfromarkansas]
    #19486768 - 01/28/14 03:30 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

I rarely even see closed eye visuals on the acid I've taken. Dmt is what really gives me closed eye visuals...and on that stuff I've seen any possible pattern there is to see, three dimensional and beyond. Sooo yeah I've seen something similar to that, but on dmt :laugh:


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19486784 - 01/28/14 03:33 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Oh and my interpretation of patterned closed eye visuals is that I'm seeing the geometry of my own mind, not the universe. I don't pretend to be able to see the intricacies of the universe just because I'm tripping. For that matter I don't pretend that my mind is capable of imagining/perceiving the intricacies of the universe under any conditions


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19487009 - 01/28/14 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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Oh and my interpretation of patterned closed eye visuals is that I'm seeing the geometry of my own mind, not the universe. I don't pretend to be able to see the intricacies of the universe just because I'm tripping. For that matter I don't pretend that my mind is capable of imagining/perceiving the intricacies of the universe under any conditions





I hear what you're saying, and I used to think of it that same way to a certain extent...but when it comes down to it I see no separation with what's going on internally and what's happening externally, the geometry of my own mind reflects the geometry of the universe, the geometry of the universe reflects my mind. The geometry of the universe gives rise to my mind, my mind gives rise to the universe......like a feed back loop of sorts (?) , we are the snake biting it's own tail, we are that little point between the snakes mouth and the tail.

I think the mind is capable of perceiving, and most definitely capable of imagining, the intricacies of the universe, with or with out psychedelics. Just observe, don't attach anything onto what one is seeing, just observe. Same shit is happening inside and out, above and below.




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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: openmind]
    #19487052 - 01/28/14 04:26 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

I think it is the geometry of the mind working,
but an aspect not yet understood fully.
all sensations create interference patterns in the cortex which are part of memory formation support.
Memories also generate these patterns, like raindrop circles emanating circular fashion and crossing in the cortex - but electrical fields not water.
so the geometry of mind is the flux of these patterns resonating.
they create a texture to the rest of the mind, and they really are quite nice to be noticed superimposed.

we see them while stoned or emotional more than other wise, because pulse trains last longer (fade more slowly) when stoned. And I think that is what we really are seeing (as regards the  patinas and mandalas).

the grids are more in the category of feedback and resonance.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: redgreenvines]
    #19487747 - 01/28/14 06:28 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

Openmind I'd say reality (which I am calling the universe) is infinitely complicated whereas the mind is finitely complex, even if it can imagine concepts which are infinite in nature.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19488062 - 01/28/14 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

maybe not - one infinity could be a subset of another:
for example
if we look in one direction of the infinite universe, we can see it is infinite,
but if we turn around and look in the opposite direction it is infinite in that direction as well,
one being half of the entirety, and the other being the other half.

and if we consider the infinite potential and extent of each mind, the containing infinity does not convert the contained infinities into finities even though in some clear way they are necessarily includees rather than includers.


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Re: Have you seen this on LSD? Its basically a grid [Re: MagicalOrangutan]
    #19488357 - 01/28/14 08:10 PM (10 years, 2 days ago)

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Oh and my interpretation of patterned closed eye visuals is that I'm seeing the geometry of my own mind, not the universe. I don't pretend to be able to see the intricacies of the universe just because I'm tripping. For that matter I don't pretend that my mind is capable of imagining/perceiving the intricacies of the universe under any conditions




We can always see the intricacies of the universe, my friend.
There's one typing this post, and another in your mirror if you check, and even more outside your door... :wink:

But IMO, my CEVs have always just been pretty patterns, fractals, and dreamy LSD sequences with the tree of life and beautiful cloudy visions. I don't think any of them hold the key to the universe though. :lol:


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