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bootster

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19160046 - 11/19/13 02:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BittrBuffalo said: Most people are advised to get a pressure canner, which is what you actually need. Pressure cookers are too small to get anything done. If you get one that's worth anything, they can be quite expensive. And ( you guys), the Shroomery is full of tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy. So anyone unaccustomed to PCing believes this.
AA canners are expensive, indeed all pressure canners are. Many people cannot find them in their area, so, being that they are also very heavy, buying one on the internet and having it shipped can be prohibitively expensive. AND--If you are unsure you want to get into this hobby, PF cakes and steam canners (which actually do cost about $20 at Walmart--at least when I bought one maybe 10 years ago) are the practical choice.
So...there is a perfectly good reason to not have one.
I used a Presto 23 Qt for 20 years before I bought my first AA. That was less than 5 years ago, so I am happy to say that I'm out of your " tag whore" grouping. I wouldn't buy brand new because they are so expensive. My problem now, and RR will back me up on this, I was buying an American built product with my Presto purchase (I got it as a Christmas present) but it didn't support wallyworld, or the chinese. The AA's Ive acquired are made right here and the chinese don't get a nickle out of the manufacturing and retailing of their products (unlike now with the Presto's and Mirro's).
I'm thinking about helping a shroomery member out around Christmas time and selling the Presto for dirt cheap just so those who can't afford to get into the hobby properly (no flames please) can get a huge break on it. I won't plug the marketplace thing because JMac was absolutely correct. Thanks for the heads up.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Gorlami]
#19160324 - 11/19/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot, paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........ along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.
Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19160362 - 11/19/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot, paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........ along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.
Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane 

f*ckin cats
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19160370 - 11/19/13 04:05 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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odds are, if your that cavalier, your kid already has toxiplasmosis from the cat.......... cryptococus from your boiling feces mix or grains, would be next. wait till the ER doctor wonders why your newborn has chronic bronchitis also.
no ever blames the cat in these hack grows, they always blame the spore vendor " musta been bad spores" or the landlord. someone boiling turds in grammas roast cooker? , what could possibly go wrong?
insane is growing in substandard conditions, with infants present.
im not trying to convince those who think this is normal routine ops. as its not possible, and rather sad.
im posting for the benefit of future peeps that see this, in hopes they will buy cookers, and avoid bio grows with infants present.
silly me.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19160865 - 11/19/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheApprentice said:
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i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot, paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........ along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.
Then what? The cat sees a contaminated spawn jar before you do, drags is to the crib, opens it, then empties the contents into the crib? That would be pretty insane 

f*ckin cats
this post had me laughing my ass off,
seriously, almost poetic.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
#19162643 - 11/19/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?
guess i am, i have 2. @ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent. its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.
Isn't this just a little hyperbolic?
Sure, it's great that you have 2 AA PCs. They are top of the line, there's nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with those who engage in shroomier-than-thou cuntistry, insinuating that they are somehow superior to those who would dare get anything else. Y'all know what I'm talking about, you've seen it. There are good reasons why a serious grower may not have an AA, namely price and availability.
I'm going to guess you've never actually had a PC with a rubber gasket before, because if you have had to change it that often, you're probably doing something seriously wrong. I've heard people say the 2-3 month thing before, and I think someone somewhere pulled that number directly out of their anus and people just kept repeating it. In reality, you're going to need to change it about as often as you'll need a new timing belt in your car.
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bootster said:
I used a Presto 23 Qt for 20 years before I bought my first AA. That was less than 5 years ago, so I am happy to say that I'm out of your " tag whore" grouping. I wouldn't buy brand new because they are so expensive. My problem now, and RR will back me up on this, I was buying an American built product with my Presto purchase (I got it as a Christmas present) but it didn't support wallyworld, or the chinese. The AA's Ive acquired are made right here and the chinese don't get a nickle out of the manufacturing and retailing of their products (unlike now with the Presto's and Mirro's).
I'm thinking about helping a shroomery member out around Christmas time and selling the Presto for dirt cheap just so those who can't afford to get into the hobby properly (no flames please) can get a huge break on it. I won't plug the marketplace thing because JMac was absolutely correct. Thanks for the heads up.
Thank you!
Exactly. AA is top of the line, nice to have if you can, but Presto isn't a flimsy piece of crap only fit for the Unwashed because it's not AA. It's actually quite sturdy and will last a long time. It gets the job done. The main reason you should buy one, really, is like you said--that AA is made in America and not in a sweatshop somewhere overseas. The no gasket thing is a bonus.
Suriously, it's also a fucking pressure canner. Who really gives a shit about what everyone else is using to sterilize their shit, amirite?
BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU'RE NOT DOING IT RIGHT!!!!
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19162673 - 11/19/13 10:34 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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PS: That's also incredibly nice of you. I agree that PCs are really the way to go if you want to cut your chance of contams in your substrate down to nil. But I can see why someone might not have one. It's just a bigger pain in the ass to do without.
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bootster

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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19162782 - 11/19/13 10:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The one I'm going to sell on the cheap needs a new gasket (It's first in 24 years) and a gauge (I know it's outta' whack). The rest of the unit is built better than the imports. I never even gave it a second thought when I fired the 'ol girl up. For years I never knew it could handle 10 Qts. in it ( mostly because we did liquids with the lids on slightly loose).
I'm hoping that this unit will land in the hands of someone who is going to get in the hobby and stay in it for a long time. What's a couple of gaskets among friends. I'll probably try to sell it (or make a trade) right before Christmas. Keep looking in the marketplace.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
#19163325 - 11/20/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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really did not expect this much attention on this thread ahahah, I'm actually curious to try some steam sterilizing now.
much love to the shroomery ya'll are great been reading since 2004 first noob account in 2008 here's my second swing.
*still use my other account just didn't want anyone to associate my trip reports with my mycology reports*
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19163373 - 11/20/13 02:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?
lol no. Don't be a weirdo
its just a vegetable, not a meth lab
i laughed
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
#19163457 - 11/20/13 03:25 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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joeyshabadoo said: if you can't afford one then wait till you can they're not exactly expensive and they increase your success rate greatly. save your supplies till you have one, i see lots of people asking about methods of sterilizing with other methods on here and nothing else really compares. 
I know I'm a little late on this thread but seriously dude, I did 72 PF jars with only one contamination using only steam sterilization.
If you're talking about grains then yes of course you should get one but you can grow mushrooms with steam sterilization even if it's not a way to get a lot of quantity. Sometimes people just want to trip once in a while and for that, steam sterilized PF TEK is the answer to their prayers.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19163926 - 11/20/13 08:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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shroomier-than-thou cuntistry, insinuating that they are somehow superior
hardly, im saying anyone who doesnt use a cooker is a hack. if you feel inferior being a hack, admit it, instead, you insult every serious grower with a cooker.
you have serious psyche issues, if you consider someone with modern cookware " superior" and i would hope the community is not lowered to your standards.
and we are "shroomier" than thou, we have cookers. thats the point.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: elasticaltiger]
#19163935 - 11/20/13 08:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BITTRBUFFALO -
I have to change my PC seals at least every 2-3 months.
in fact, I was cooking some agar yesterday and my seal blew.
I think its either the replacement seals I've been buying, or
its because I have been pressure cooking on a gas stove lately. Fuckin hate itm
you can never really find the sweet spot on a gas range.
so I think the temp fluxuations of raising and dropping pressure for 2 hours wears the seals out quicker.
also, you gotta think man.
most people NEVER use their pressure cooker as much as we enthusiasts do.
no cook is raising pressure to 15 psi 2 times a day, 3-4 days every week or so.
I know how to PC
not doing it wrong home-slice!
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19163942 - 11/20/13 08:18 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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you pry are doing it right............ seal cookers just blow out. any tangible grower is gonna blow seals.
this is JV and varsity. the dividing line is a proper PC.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
#19163965 - 11/20/13 08:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Presto 23 Quart
$79.99
All American 930
279$
Presto 23 Quart Sealing Ring and Rubber Gasket
$9.50 a piece & even less for a package of them.
I dont know for sure, but i think you're full of shit when you say you have to replace it every two months?
How would you know, you've got an All American.
The point is, they work, they're cost effective...
You'd have to replace twenty gaskets to make up for the cost difference between the two.
Go home, you're stupid.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19163993 - 11/20/13 08:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19163997 - 11/20/13 08:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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TheApprentice said: ??
Read the whole thread, this was not directed towards you.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19163999 - 11/20/13 08:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LoL
but seriously. You do have to replace the seals often, IME.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19164020 - 11/20/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Are you setting it to max to heat it up? It should help if you do it at a lower temperature even though it'll take longer to get to pressure. At least I'm guessing it will since they have warnings about the maximum BTU to use, and some gas stoves can go above that.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19164042 - 11/20/13 09:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ya I set at max to raise pressure
the. Turn it down
but can't get to the spot where its rocking ever minute or so.
its either rocking every 10-15 seconds or not at all
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