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Adustus
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The Ultimate Question!
#19161096 - 11/19/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So my roommate decided hes going to give me a mass fund for my mushroom cultivation in the beginning of December.
Now even though I still probably wont have spores until I can get around the holiday and buy some for new years or something.
I'd like to use his funding for my tek lab as Id call it. I know I need a pressure cooker. Ebay seems to cover that well.
Aside from that and cutting tools I've never went and bought my own set. Ive always used whats available atm. So knowing I have time to decide on what to buy. And have time to get recommendations to make a sound decision. Id like people to give me what they deem as essentials to any at home mycologist.
I got my blades. Torch. And pressure cooker. ANd I know I need canning jars. Now, knowing that I intend on growing many different kinds of mushroom I need to be able to cover all the basics. So I think it was 3 types of mushrooms? (correct me if im wrong) Its like the Primary decomposers that eat wood like reishi. There was grassland ones like the puffballs and horse mushroom. Then there's like dung and litter like buttons and cubes.
So. If I'm trying to ake sure I can always be most likely prepared for any medicinal or edible strain. What do I need to get to have a full basic setup? Im talking agar and everything.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19161141 - 11/19/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: OgreLokon]
#19161213 - 11/19/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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LiquidGlass
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Find a tek for which mushroom you are going to grow, then get everything that the tek uses.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: OgreLokon]
#19161304 - 11/19/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
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LiquidGlass
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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Well said !
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Dark76


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Well, actually, what he reiterated.
Here are some good places to start:
TbagTag's Grow Along
How Frank gets shit done.
Start here and work your budget. Nothing here except, potentially, the pressure cooker is pricey.
Edited by Dark76 (11/19/13 08:03 PM)
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Sockadin



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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Completely disagree!!!!!
If this person is looking to grow for the thrill and excitement of the experience, why sell him or her short? If you just want to trip balls of some mushrooms, go huff some gasoline or run into on coming traffic.
To the OP.
If you want to start this hobby, it can be a rewarding and exciting one.
Cubes Two common types of teks. PF-Cakes and Bulk Mono tubs. I think both are equally rewarding. I think that you will always get larger fruits and flushes from the mono tub teks. A personal rule of thumb, "Bigger Mushrooms, does not always mean more potent." You need just as much crap for each tek so do a little research and figure out which way you want to go. I personally Love Agar plates, not for the utility, but because of the science and results you can get with them.
Wood Lovers/Straw
There is a lot more info out there, but I think the basics are straw, and or wood pellets. I prefer to use bags to pasteurize my straw, but there are a lot of teks out there that work without needing grow bags.
For the most part, I recommend these things.
- 23+ Qrt Pressure Cooker
- Qrt jars for Grain2Grain
- Wide mouth half pint jars for PF tek
- Some totes for bulk or SGFC's
- Coir bricks
- Vermiculite
- Perlite
- BRF
- RGS/WBS
[*}RR's videos (most helpful thing out there, worth the 10 bucks.)
Can someone link to RR's Vids?
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Sockadin]
#19162357 - 11/19/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If you just want to trip balls of some mushrooms, go huff some gasoline or run into on coming traffic.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19162478 - 11/19/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said:Id like people to give me what they deem as essentials to any at home mycologist.
I got my blades. Torch. And pressure cooker. ANd I know I need canning jars. Now, knowing that I intend on growing many different kinds of mushroom I need to be able to cover all the basics. So I think it was 3 types of mushrooms? (correct me if im wrong) Its like the Primary decomposers that eat wood like reishi. There was grassland ones like the puffballs and horse mushroom. Then there's like dung and litter like buttons and cubes.
So. If I'm trying to ake sure I can always be most likely prepared for any medicinal or edible strain. What do I need to get to have a full basic setup? Im talking agar and everything.
There are more than three kinds of mushrooms, for sure. Cordyceps eats living bugs and gyrodon merulioides drinks aphid shit. There are woodland mycorrhizals like most boletes and truffles, plant parasite/saprophytes like hericium coralloides and I don't feel like thinking about sorting mushrooms based on what they eat any more.
We can't set you up with info on how to grow any medicinal or edible strain--people have only figured out how to grow a very small fraction of them, which nevertheless should be enough to keep you entertained for quite a while. Here is what you'll need to get started:
You'll want a dehydrator if you're successful, and also probably if you're not. They're super handy for all sorts of stuff which doesn't occur to you until you have one. You'll want a big, big bag of wild bird seed or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain for use as spawn, and that's pretty much standard for all species of fungus. For petris pick up some of those tiny Glad containers that anorexic girls use to put six grapes in for lunch (you'll know 'em when you see 'em), agar agar, potato flakes and clear Karo. A drug scale is useful but not 100% necessary for making agar plates. You need at least one large Sterilite container to use for a still air box, and maybe another if you plan on doing a monotub full of cubes or reishi.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
#19162496 - 11/19/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
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Pastywhyte
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LiquidGlass said: Popcorn works just fine ok if you can't find anything else.
Popcorn is loaded with endospores, is starchy as hell, and has so little nock points that anything lower than a 1:1.5 spawn ratio becomes a major exercise in patience. I have also used popcorn for cubes and oysters, but after trying WBS, wheat, and rye, I can tell you that I would rather spawn brf cakes to bulk before I went back to popcorn. It does smell nice tho and I like how the color changes as it colonizes. That's about it.
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Psilicon
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
Popcorn is great if you don't care about inoculation points and colonization times, nutrients per jar, varied substrates, moisture retention or really anything else beneficial to growth of the organism.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
#19162701 - 11/19/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
Popcorn is great if you don't care about inoculation points and colonization times, nutrients per jar, varied substrates, moisture retention or really anything else beneficial to growth of the organism.

Yeah you should listen to them. Popcorn fucking sucks. Fuck popcorn.
If you use popcorn spawned to nothing but verm/coir and a bit of gypsum, then you could get terrible flushes like this

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Pastywhyte
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Those look excellent! But popcorn still sux, sorry man. I know that people can make it work, and that's great. I know Hippy Chick got excellent results with popcorn as well. But I would never advocate it as a great spawn choice, when there are so many other better choices. Too many people have had problems with it to do so. Its like LC in a way, you can get good results with it, but its not exactly noob friendly. I would also hazard a guess that there were other factors at play, and the results you have there were not dependent on spawn choice. You would probably have seen just as good of results with WBS or rye, but without the potential contam issues and lower spawn ratios. Just my opinion.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19162799 - 11/19/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You are entitled to your opinion, but I have tried many other grains and IME popcorn performs the best.
And that is just my opinion, but to say it sucks is just ignorant. It is not any harder to prepare as any other grain as long as you follow teks closely. I have been doing this for a long time without any contam issues even without a 24 hour soak. For me popcorn is way easier to get the moisture content right then any other grain. People can bash popcorn all day but after trying other grains I will probably stick to popcorn for good
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Hey that's fair. I'm sure that there are also many people who feel the same way about LC. But the vast majority find it problematic. When giving a new person advice, most people tend to lean towards things that are more user friendly for the majority of people. Same reason why pf tek is also recommended for beginners. Do we realistically think that is how they will grow forever? Of course not, but it's the best way for most people to get started.
IMO everyone should try many different spawns at least once. But I would not recommend popcorn for the first attempt. Took me a long time to get popcorn right, WBS, rye and wheat were far more forgiving. I know that a lot of people have had the same experience with it that I did
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Adustus
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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Yeah I was thinking tubs and jars and the ol' pressure cooker. And i could use my glovebox I made I was gonna see about doing perlite. Does anyone know if its better with holes drilled vs waving it out when using perlite?
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19163091 - 11/20/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Holes drilled every 2 inches in a grid on all 6 sides (this includes the bottom!) is the only way that perlite functions properly.
The air flowing from the bottom through the wet perlite evaporates the water and creates your humidity.
so if you dont have the holes there is no reason to have the perlite
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Adustus
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Rubestoad]
#19163137 - 11/20/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Rubestoad said: Holes drilled every 2 inches in a grid on all 6 sides (this includes the bottom!) is the only way that perlite functions properly.
The air flowing from the bottom through the wet perlite evaporates the water and creates your humidity.
so if you dont have the holes there is no reason to have the perlite
Wonderful then I am spot on so far. All I need to do is figure out my species.
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