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trampis
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North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood
#19161358 - 11/19/13 07:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Some drivers along a busy Fort Worth street on Friday were stopped at a police roadblock and directed into a parking lot, where they were asked by federal contractors for samples of their breath, saliva and even blood.
It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.
"It just doesn't seem right that you can be forced off the road when you're not doing anything wrong," said Kim Cope, who said she was on her lunch break when she was forced to pull over at the roadblock on Beach Street in North Fort Worth.
The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which is spending $7.9 million on the survey over three years, said participation was "100 percent voluntary" and anonymous.
But Cope said it didn't feel voluntary to her -- despite signs saying it was.
"I gestured to the guy in front that I just wanted to go straight, but he wouldn't let me and forced me into a parking spot," she said.
Once parked, she couldn't believe what she was asked next.
"They were asking for cheek swabs," she said. "They would give $10 for that. Also, if you let them take your blood, they would pay you $50 for that."
At the very least, she said, they wanted to test her breath for alcohol.
She said she felt trapped.
"I finally did the Breathalyzer test just because I thought that would be the easiest way to leave," she said, adding she received no money.
Fort Worth police earlier said they could not immediately find any record of officer involvement but police spokesman Sgt. Kelly Peel said Tuesday that the department's Traffic Division coordinated with the NHTSA on the use of off-duty officers after the agency asked for help with the survey.
"We are reviewing the actions of all police personnel involved to ensure that FWPD policies and procedures were followed," he said. "We apologize if any of our drivers and citizens were offended or inconvenienced by the NHTSA National Roadside Survey."
NBC DFW confirmed that the survey was done by a government contractor, the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation, which is based in Calverton, Md.
A company spokeswoman referred questions to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration.
An agency spokeswoman sent an email confirming the government is conducting the surveys in 30 cities across the country in an effort to reduce impaired-driving accidents.
She did not respond to another email from NBC DFW asking specific questions about the program..
But a Fort Worth attorney who is an expert in civil liberties law questioned whether such stops are constitutional.
"You can't just be pulled over randomly or for no reason," said attorney Frank Colosi.
He also noted the fine print on a form given to drivers informs them their breath was tested by "passive alcohol sensor readings before the consent process has been completed."
"They're essentially lying to you when they say it's completely voluntary, because they're testing you at that moment," Colosi said.
He also questioned the results of the "voluntary" survey -- speculating that drivers who had been drinking or using drugs would be more inclined to simply decline to participate.
Cope said she is troubled by what happened.
"It just doesn't seem right that they should be able to do any of it," she said. "If it's voluntary, it's voluntary, and none of it felt voluntary."
Asked Tuesday if she accepted the police department's apology, Cope said she would wait to see what the review showed.
"They need to make sure this doesn't happen again," she said.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: trampis]
#19162362 - 11/19/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I don't know what to think of this, I mean it sounds like they applied too much force but at the same time this chick seems kinda whacked and I almost wonder if she was trying to score a lawsuit outta this
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Jvells]
#19162402 - 11/19/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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they do this where i go to school all the the time. the one time i was with my friend and we got pulled and the woman asked nicely if we wanted to participate all that shit. my friend just looked so confused, rudely said no and drove through the parking lot.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: theonlysun81]
#19162840 - 11/19/13 11:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Seems unreasonable that they would use a bunch of off duty police officers to violate peoples bodies when some qualified medical personel labcoats would have provided much better data.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Dest]
#19163003 - 11/20/13 12:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So basically, their pulling people over without reasonable cause and seeing if they can see any drugs or alcohol in sight, and if not, then they ask you to be tested for drugs or alcohol.
 This sounds illegal.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: guest1] 1
#19163947 - 11/20/13 08:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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all im hearing is $$$
shit... lets think about this...
30 cities x 50 x 2 = easiest 3000 ever...
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Not Responding]
#19164178 - 11/20/13 09:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'd do it right now
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Konyap]
#19164189 - 11/20/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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big dirty!
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Konyap]
#19164191 - 11/20/13 09:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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How much for a stool sample?
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: trampis]
#19164197 - 11/20/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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it was already stated... 14.00
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: trampis]
#19164199 - 11/20/13 09:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You just missed your chance, sorry!
Got rid of the semen as well
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Konyap]
#19164217 - 11/20/13 09:50 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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next time they pull you over and ask for a sample...
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: Not Responding]
#19164229 - 11/20/13 09:53 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: guest1]
#19164435 - 11/20/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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guest1 said: So basically, their pulling people over without reasonable cause and seeing if they can see any drugs or alcohol in sight, and if not, then they ask you to be tested for drugs or alcohol.
 This sounds illegal.
What I was thinking. Say its a study then get a court date for ouid in the mail 2 weeks later
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: guest1]
#19168863 - 11/21/13 07:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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guest1 said: So basically, their pulling people over without reasonable cause and seeing if they can see any drugs or alcohol in sight, and if not, then they ask you to be tested for drugs or alcohol.
 This sounds illegal.
sounds like america in 2013 to me...
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: guest1]
#19170371 - 11/21/13 02:32 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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guest1 said: So basically, their pulling people over without reasonable cause and seeing if they can see any drugs or alcohol in sight, and if not, then they ask you to be tested for drugs or alcohol.
 This sounds illegal.
There is no way this is Constitutional, never consent to a search like this.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: setb]
#19171793 - 11/21/13 06:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.
If the tests are 100% voluntary, how accurate are those results for the study going to be? Not very accurate at all by my calculations.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: SuperD]
#19173636 - 11/22/13 04:54 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SuperD said:
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It was part of a government research study aimed at determining the number of drunken or drug-impaired drivers.
If the tests are 100% voluntary, how accurate are those results for the study going to be? Not very accurate at all by my calculations.
You see, they are voluntary but I don't think the average person really understands this. They see police and feel they have to comply because this is what is drilled into them at a young age.
"If I am not doing anything wrong then I have nothing to worry about"- bullshit. You are not the judge of whether or not you're doing something wrong in our increasingly authoritarian super State. The Stat bureaucracies are.
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Re: North Texas Drivers Stopped at Roadblock Asked for Saliva, Blood [Re: trampis]
#19190075 - 11/26/13 01:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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The people should rally and start throwing trucker bombs (piss jugs) all over the road and around these stupid fucking check points. Just litter the fuck out of it. Shit stained toilet paper, used condoms, bloody tampons... everything. And make sure to also spit out your window when you pass by.
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