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How to learn advanced math?
    #19162961 - 11/19/13 11:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Anyone have any ideas how to learn advanced math?

Also if you can do advanced math did it come easy to you, did you learn in high school or later in college, etc.?


I'm thinking of trying math and see if I'm capable of going advancd with it. In the past I've sucked at math but I still feel like it could ultimately be a matter of studying and learning it even though some of it looks complicated as #%^*.  I also realize some prestigious careers involve math and calculus so there's that too.



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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19162969 - 11/19/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

read the math book go to class and practice practice practice. all math and physics starts with algebra. I learned in high school, but college is where I really learned, math is great to discuss with people. I fukked off too much in high school to learn much lol, wasn't till I was older and took school seriously, mostly cuz I was paying for it, that I really learned.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19162973 - 11/19/13 11:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

First of all you should PM me if you ever need math help, or tutoring.

Advanced math as a specific subject I took in high school - however if you're talking about "advanced math" as in higher-level math classes, those pretty much extend on forever.

Don't just memorize the formulas - understand how the formulas were derived, and try to visualize the concepts.  This will make it easier for you to remember and pull out the right formulas and procedures/steps when it comes to test time.

There have been many math tests where we were supposed to remember long, tedious formulas and I did not memorize them...I instead derived them on the spot on the day of the test and I was fine.  I also avoided the stress of having to cram random numbers and letters in my brain that I couldn't make sense of.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19162988 - 11/20/13 12:02 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone have any ideas how to learn advanced math?

Also if you can do advanced math did it come easy to you, did you learn in high school or later in college, etc.?


I'm thinking of trying math and see if I'm capable of going advancd with it. In the past I've sucked at math but I still feel like it could ultimately be a matter of studying and learning it even though some of it looks complicated as #%^*.  I also realize some prestigious careers involve math and calculus so there's that too.






IF you have the discipline to study, then go to a good university.  I highly suggest that you study in a discipline that requires heavy use of math and that you can make money at.  ie. engineering, computer science, applied physics, etc.  No use getting into something if there is no outlook to improve your future.

I did electrical engineer, and engineering physics.  I had 4 semesters of calculus, 1 of advanced calculus (proofs,) numerical analysis, topology, linear algebra, vector analysis, differential equations, and algebra of groups, rings, and fields. 

Actually, the problems get so interesting that it is foolish.  :grin:


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #19162991 - 11/20/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks.  I'm pretty much at the point where I may need to start relearning and going over algebra from the beginning but I think I may do that. I guess an advantage of starting at it again is there are probably videos online that explain concepts of different stages in marh now so that could be an interesting way to learn it maybe.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19162999 - 11/20/13 12:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

re-learning algebra is the first step, I had to go take some courses for college algebra before going to a college for engineering and jumping back into pre-calc and physics, I love math though imo it's easy to bullshit your way through an arts degree, but to each his own


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: ghostshadow422]
    #19163011 - 11/20/13 12:11 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Actually I was just telling someone how awesome of a book this is:

http://carlossicoli.free.fr/L/Lang_S.-Basic_mathematics-Addison-Wesley(1971).pdf

Honestly the best book on basic math I've ever seen. If you can get through this book, you'll be very well prepared for calculus, diffy q, etc.

I'm taking some graduate classes in math right now, planning on going to grad school full time sometime soon.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19163029 - 11/20/13 12:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You know when you are getting into advanced math because you start doing proofs. 

An example of a proof would be to prove that the for all real integers > 0, multiplication of an even and odd number always gives an even number as the result.

I would like to see someone do this proof here.  :awesomenod:


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #19163039 - 11/20/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've taken up to Calc 3, Differential Equations, and Linear Algebra. Honestly, might be because some my other classes are horrendously difficult , but I haven't found advanced mathematics to be too bad. Understanding all of the conceptual aspects can become difficult but carrying out the process to finding a solution really is not too bad. Other than basic Algebra, I'd say Trig is what you wanna be strongest in, very useful stuff

and Starfire_xes is right, it become ridiculously crazy when you start high level proofs, I had much more of an interest in advanced chemistry so I took that route opposed to more maths


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #19163041 - 11/20/13 12:24 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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IF you have the discipline to study, then go to a good university.  I highly suggest that you study in a discipline that requires heavy use of math and that you can make money at.  ie. engineering, computer science, applied physics, etc.  No use getting into something if there is no outlook to improve your future.

I did electrical engineer, and engineering physics.  I had 4 semesters of calculus, 1 of advanced calculus (proofs,) numerical analysis, topology, linear algebra, vector analysis, differential equations, and algebra of groups, rings, and fields. 

Actually, the problems get so interesting that it is foolish.  :grin:




I'm pretty much thinking of an engineering degree now as it seems it could be a worthwhile way to go with college. I feel like it would take high levels of studying but seems worth it. 


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re-learning algebra is the first step, I had to go take some courses for college algebra before going to a college for engineering and jumping back into pre-calc and physics, I love math though imo it's easy to bullshit your way through an arts degree, but to each his own




I got an arts degree and kind of learned from that.  Looking for something more if I go for another degee.  I don't think an arts degree would sound bad next to another kind of degree but on it's own at least it's not something I've really used since getting it - besides the college experience, etc.  but college does cost a bit of money.

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Actually I was just telling someone how awesome of a book this is:

http://carlossicoli.free.fr/L/Lang_S.-Basic_mathematics-Addison-Wesley(1971).pdf

Honestly the best book on basic math I've ever seen. If you can get through this book, you'll be very well prepared for calculus, diffy q, etc.

I'm taking some graduate classes in math right now, planning on going to grad school full time sometime soon.




Thanks for that.  Bookmarked and I hope to go through it.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: starfire_xes]
    #19163063 - 11/20/13 12:29 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You know when you are getting into advanced math because you start doing proofs. 

An example of a proof would be to prove that the for all real integers > 0, multiplication of an even and odd number always gives an even number as the result.

I would like to see someone do this proof here.  :awesomenod:




Oh yeah? Can you prove that the real part of non trivial zeros of the Riemann Zeta function is 1/2?


:smile: Good problem. Another proof that's similar is show that if m is even, m^2 is even.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2] * 2
    #19163077 - 11/20/13 12:32 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Anyone have any ideas how to learn advanced math?






nice spiral!

yes math is amazing it can be quiet beautiful meaningful liberating and uplifting and also quiet inane annoying and heartless

one of the key things you need in mathematics if you want to truly learn something is the ability to self validate.

basically a lot of math is simply programming, while some of the programming can help you in life in terms of doing stuff as all programming can, its important to be able to step out of the box and realize that, it truly is just programming

and the thing is, for any progress to really be made in math, a mathematician has to acknowledge that any of this programming could be wrong and can be transcended and kind of rebel against it in order to find a different way of organizing things, that still has a order to it, or even in some cases a chaos, its only a stereotype that mathematics cannot handle chaos, once again, that's just the way programmed mathematicians function, but innovators do whatever they want.

the question is, are you searching for the stereotypical 'genius' feng shui only? i.e. outside validation? this could have some wisdom to it, but it also prevents certain things as well

sometimes its a blessing not to be recognized, because it shows you that a concept stands on its own, its not because people believe it and are giving you loads of credit that make it correct, its that its true.

likewise, someone who loves math my not be a total expert, but maybe they just enjoy the meditation of doing an equation, any level of an equation... they can just appreciate the act of working it out, or just puzzling over it.

what are the letters doing anyway, maybe they all have spirits and they appreciate someone just being there, giving them attention?



one of the things I think about sometimes is how its impossible to ever reach a value, because the space between 0 and any positive value is infinite and infinite can never manifest, and if infinity ever did manifest, it would truly be infinity, and thus mean that, any positive value is literally infinity,

this of course is mathematically true

if you understand this, which is really quite simple, you then have the solution to any math equation just like that.

the thing is, people may feel they need to work harder, that its too easy, and thus laugh at your idea, but this doesn't stop it from being true.

sticking with this belief, has brought me great joy and wisdom in my life

I know im a mathematic genius, and I am an infinite being. because somehow I definitely am, even though, its impossible for me to be.




and also, idunno ,heres this thing I wrote about divine geometry... I like approaching math in this way, which is much more relaxed, im not looking for approval, I just enjoy doing it,

combine this with some formulas, graphing and some meditation, smoke some herb... gradually learn more complex forms, but keep returning to the state of no rules where you can do whatever you want to the formations, and maybe even see them as shiva and Shakti and relate them to kundalini and spiritual states, in the hopes of awakening and expressing an infinite love and endless joy (which happens)

through this you really can learn a lot about the universe and attain enlightenment, but this is much different that the popular conception of the math genius..

mathematical genius in combination with true morality and boundless kindness for all creation is a strong brew

and its one of my favorite, but its a bit harder to find, but it is out there, there are people like that, though they may not always use the language of overt mathematics, one of the keys to finding these people is to not be too rigid in how we view things, be good at translating... that's an intelligence in itself, if you can see similarities in different ways of communication and match them



but anyways, here is the thing I wrote, its about divine geometry, and how its definitely correlated with the astrology of the universe, we witnessed a huge spiritual awakening on the planet about 5 years ago, and then we felt a great remembrance around 2012 of the suffering of the past, and this was all expressed through divine geometry, I noticed a lot shifted, but that its also easy to bring it back, though it seems like, it wouldn't be possible, it actually is because its divine

the reason we felt the remembrance of suffering is because we now have the strength to go and to make the lives of even those who suffered in the past better, many are reaching the level of transcending time, and this benefits all creation,

in consciously bringing ourselves out of a badly made system, by restoring a good feng shui that works for us, and that doesn't exploit or make us think of things that make us sad, we realize that we can create the universe ourselves.
somehow just by filling our surrounding with ideas that are formed wholistically we can effect the world at every level, the reason for this is because, the spirit is incredibly powerful, and people with true morality are dominant in the world, not people who want to take everything over and make everyone into clone.


the Lifestream (ライフストリーム, Raifusutor​īmu) invincible natural self defense according to a gnome

using divine geometry against masons (i.e. unfair pyramd power structures)
instead of for them, the masons have tried to make their monopoly on divine geometry
and thus the art has languished and the third eye is not happy
divine geometry is not victorian hell. divine geometry is surprisingly organic
all it needs is the element of chaos added back to it, heres an experiment to mention
the true divine geometry of nature itself, and see what happens.
the ironic thing about it is that a masonic group can never really understand
its not something you are going to find in a masonic dictionary,
because that will forever imply conflict. lets face it, the masons are never going to really
be a good group.
in divine geometry opposites are made one. for example if you draw a helix.
what you are really drawing in the map of these two forces, that over periods of time are realizing
they are totally one, and its just the same with the idea of dna
what dna is really talking about, the fact that these energies in us seem to seperate and come together
yet in actually they do not, but they express a multitude of different states, that are all equal expressions of the one
the fact that all the states they represent on their axis of horizons and settings, never truly depart from the value of one
(which in this instance is equivalent to zero) shows us that really dna is non existent except as an idea in our minds
to give quality to the waves of our spirit which balance the elements in us and create life.
and the fact there there are small details within that dna that are always entirely chaotic. i.e. why a circle is never
actually truly perfect in technicality, and yet if that is the intention then it is perfect in spirituality,
in its essence. its that matter of imperfection which actually makes it more of a circle, than the concept of perfect circle,
which no one ever reaches. divine geometry would state there is no fraction, there is no demonic geometry
just different states of divine geometry which automatically render their truth
yet there are small chaotic details, things that are beyond graphs and grid overlays and not seeked to be understood by graphs
but actually as pure energy,
divine geometry gives us the answer to every equation without doing the computation and gives us the relation to all forms
and all heritages, and ability to shapeshift, by showing our connection in that all beings are waves
this is the universal law, so divine geometry relates more to hippies, psychedelic visions and realizations of universal oneness
and a essential spirit expressing in various unending forms.
divine geometry would state that its not that no one else can understand, its that everyone else literally is you.
through this you get beyond any kind of energy block and can have the right wavelengths flowing in and from everything
which leads to all beings being happy. you can meditate and feel the experience of all conscious beings at one time,
empathy and oneness with all life, it can change you senses, and thoughts, it can even help you to escape a hunter,
as if shown by the mysterious mushrooms it can help you to realize that that which you seek is actually everywhere, and thus
be able to love everything. when doing a yoga practice, divine geometry can shift out of shape, it can totally deflate, but it returns again
it could be something against you and a huge conspiracy or it could be, just the shape of the universe, of life...
it can alleviate us from seeing ourselves simply as an ego being, a human, instead seeing the array of formations our spirits take over lifetimes
and even in one day, it can literally activate the entheogenic psychedelic energies, and is a blessing in prayer
the temples of the world are interesting and definitely mystical in their geometry, the shapes are conduits for the angels and the spirit
what if the origin of spirituality is mathematical, its just that the mathematics of today have been overly sterilized, and all we have to do is remove them
from the grid overlay from the graph, from their exactness, and begin to contemplate them generally, then we enter into the world of energy which has real meaning.
its interesting how the temples can exist and the forest at the same time, and how a true temple is simply an opening up of the forest.
divine geometry shows us such things, as that the cities and towns we live in, are in ways lunar forests, if we were other species would we percieve them also as trees, bushes? anthills? only in our sensitized minds do we see the more intricate interface that to us looks very clean, and made just for us because it is, yet to a neutral bystander what if it does not really stand out from the rest of nature? and what if all species actually inhabit and existence similar to this, with more or less similar technologies, but to us, they seem to be animals, and to them we see to be animals, not speaking in the same, living in different ways.
this is a wholistic worldview which shows us how sustainable the tree of life and universe really are. we are not so different from other species, we are just having the experience of this one right now. what if they are not bricks, but actually plant cells?
plants are not made of rocks, but they do have some trace minerals the take from the soil, so its misleading to call it masonic, how about just gardening? or a plantlife dictionary? most of it is sunlight, not actually solidifications of rock forms. and actually when we truly see what its all about, we can understand this idea of mason comes from the appearance of a mountain, which is a big difference in elements, we do not go through this mountain. what we are interested in is the plants around it, because in them is the whole story. i can't say that its not in a rock, but it seems that rocks cause too much to be needed to be shifted around. whereas anyone can work with plants, and it doesnt disturb the ecosystem. they just wanted me to see what the mountain was, and for some reason they called it mason.
but i called it a buddha. and helped its geometry, left the overly symmetrical hell, and entered into another peaceful journey, all the masons are is the grid the net the graph, they want to real us in, who see the true visions, but easily we can break through it when we see it as it is. the plants are so much more eternal, though soft, think of the willow... eventually you will break through... out of grid living. even though, you may still be living a similar life, you wont be thinking on the grid, you wont be making everything into opposites... you can understand an intricate pattern, without nessecarily needing to express it explicitly,
you've past through, you understand a whole new level of the universe, our capacity for love for joy for experience increases so much at these levels, our yoga comes back into proportion, it is optimal. dreams of divine geometry, show us the liberation of fractions from the quality of diminishment, and thus the liberation of actual beings and consciousness from unneeded suffering and immorality to the divine world of peace. we are breaking through the net, to free energy and beings, for the good of the planet and existence, these are acts of kindness beyond life and death. we can restore virtue to primal algorithms of life, expressed in the form of the actual energies in our lives, and thus cause peace in the universe, beauty, art, true experience. you are ending the corporation, who tried to make the trail unfinding, and you are discovering the true divine intelligence. something healing at the soul level. after someone enters a world that seems warped, we make it back to our original blossoming selves, and have grown even more. this is beyond time, and beyond life and death. this is the true meaning, of spirituality, this is what the microsoft 98 windows desktop came back to say, we need this equation to keep life in balance and the forces around us at peace. its not about imitating other styles. its about avoiding the imitating, and cloning. so much is implied here, especially in the world of marijuana and the tree of life, and by meditating on this, we can begin to unearth the true miracles of these plants, which we have only begun to touch the surface of.
what level of the garden are we able to see? continue to see in definition, no two are alike, there is no exact reflection, this is the way of divine geometry
it is the fact that it is not exact that makes it truly equal. its a bit hard to explain, but yin and yang touches on these matters.
its a whole thing thats happened with zen, when you meditate, its not just the same pose over and over again, its never the same, they were trying to get us to lose the definition lose the details, accept the grid, but it wasnt really like that. we have to admit, some people are just wrong, we disagree, but it doesnt mean they should die, sometimes you just go away, they go away, you both have your own trip, thats divine geometry, there is no 'this town is not big enough for the two of us'
because the mind and spirit is an infinite expanse for everyone, we can all have our dreams without hurting eachother, if we just adjust our proportions a little bit and remember to come back to a neutral zone, why must this world be filled with action, it can be a neutral place, and we all dream our dreams, and are free. that is divine geometry. we dont have to stalk others to control them, we can all exist in our own philosophies and yet work together, without even knowing it. everything has enough space, everyone is happy. chaos can flourish without harming. its not coming from something physical its coming from psychic attributes which align the world. you can really get anything from anything, divine geometry shows us all this, and when we really grok it, we use a vast more of our full potential spirit and mind, and maybe its possible to use it all. it must be, why would it be wasted?
and yeah, its just about love, communication defragmentation, so yea once again, its not really the grid, but the absence of a grid,, I guess, its that, you can appreciate what you truly have, because you've like earned it, you know its not just for granted and things like that. this is LSD, it is PEACEFUL



world peace



- Yash the Gnome on divine geometry


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Yesod]
    #19163086 - 11/20/13 12:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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    #19163094 - 11/20/13 12:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let a be an even integer and b be an odd integer (a,b>0)


a*b = a+a+a+a+a+a+a...+a  (b times)



Since a is even, a is divisible by 2, i.e. a|2

therefore:
(a+a+a+a+a+a+...+a (b times))|2

(a*b)|2

How's that?


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #19163112 - 11/20/13 12:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Typically we use a|b to mean a divides b. Just notation.

Your actual proof though is unclear and excessive. You can prove it in 1 line basically.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: skatealex2]
    #19163116 - 11/20/13 12:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Math..

Answer is no.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Shroomerited]
    #19163121 - 11/20/13 12:45 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Care to demonstrate?


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #19163126 - 11/20/13 12:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Let a=2k. Then ab=2kb=2(kb) so ab is even.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #19163128 - 11/20/13 12:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Or maybe

a*b = (2c)*b = 2cb --> 2cb/2 = c*b (integer product is integer) therefore (a*b) is even.


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Re: How to learn advanced math? [Re: Yesod]
    #19163132 - 11/20/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I am really bad at advanced math  :undecided: 
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