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DMT is not to be fucked with...?
    #19162407 - 11/19/13 09:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

So I just tried DMT for the first time. I did enough to get really close to breaking through the film, and seeing what was on the other side. All I saw was pure, utter insanity. I felt that if you go all the way, you lose a part of yourself up there. You don't come back a rational and sane person. Someone told me that after you try it you'll look at it the way a child looks at an electrical socket after sticking a fork in it. Spot fucking on.

Is this just my initial apprehension and fear of something really, really intense, or am I being rational here. I feel like packing a bowl with more in it and going deeper, but at the same time I feel like that would be a huge mistake, and I wouldn't come back sane. Do any of you DMT using folk feel like you lost something up there, and came back screwy? Or do you feel like that was just your first impression, and it's actually not at all like that?


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19162435 - 11/19/13 09:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Maybe before you ever smoke it you are screwy and when you come back you are sane  :shrug:

I personally have never experienced dmt, but I know plenty of friends that have and they do not seem any different after doing it, from my perspective at least.  They were weird to begin with so I cannot tell any difference.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: dodgem]
    #19162463 - 11/19/13 09:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

maybe you switch bodies with a fake version of you in hyperspace and he's the one that returns but he tricks your body into thinking it's the old you. meanwhile the real you never comes back :rasta:


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: dodgem]
    #19162469 - 11/19/13 10:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Ayahuasca pretty much scared my soul.... or the being I experienced on it. DMT was more exotic and astonishing


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: Jesus Cristo]
    #19162472 - 11/19/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I didn't break through, all that I saw was hints of what lies beyond, which is the loss of clear, rational thought, completely and utterly. It scared the shit out of me.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19162476 - 11/19/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I've done lots of dmt and I'm as rational as ever.  Sure you lose pieces of yourself on DMT trips, but you can usually find replacement parts before the trip is over. I've got one green eye and one blue eye now, and I was born with brown! Nothing to worry about brother, go deeper!


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: Ram Dass]
    #19162515 - 11/19/13 10:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

What if those replacement parts don't belong here. I've known the guy I bought this stuff off of for a while, he did it for the first time a few days ago and broke through. When I met up with him one eye seemed a little lazy, which it was not before, and he would do these little things that just seemed off, for example, taking napkins one by one, like 30 of them, and folding them up whilst saying gotta stock up on napkins.

Am I just overthinking and overanalyzing this? Or am I giving myself a legitimate warning to STAY THE FUCK AWAY.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: dodgem]
    #19162525 - 11/19/13 10:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I do not feel like I have lost anything in the DMT experience. If anything it has caused me to contemplate and question reality, but not to the point where it affects my daily life.

I still get nervous and fearful before trying it but I think that is to be expected with something so powerful. That being said every time I have broken through has been a completely blissful and/or awe inspiring. But I still get nervous before, you just have to take that 2nd or 3rd or 4th toke or whatever one it is that takes you there


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162540 - 11/19/13 10:12 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah fine, but do I really want to when I told myself quite specifically, right on the cusp of breaking through, that this is extraordinarily dangerous, stay away. The reason I'm asking is because nonetheless I was fascinated by the experience, and would like to try again, I just don't want to damage my mental health for some psychedelic masturbation.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162545 - 11/19/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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and he would do these little things that just seemed off, for example, taking napkins one by one, like 30 of them, and folding them up whilst saying gotta stock up on napkins.





Lol that does not sound like anything I have ever experienced or known anyone to experience from DMT. That being said if someone were to already have a predisposition to psychological disorders than psychedelics could bring it out sooner than it would have on its own.

But psychedelics normally do not cause those types of problems in a mentally healthy individual


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162553 - 11/19/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That's the thing, he wasn't on DMT. He was sober, and his behavior just seemed awfully off.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162579 - 11/19/13 10:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I can say that I was really nervous when I first started trying it. I would smoke to the point where I would almsot break through and then chicken out.

Most of those trips were fairly uncomfortable and disappointing. With every trip I had the intention to break through and bailed out every time. It took about 7 times before I got up the courage to just go for it.

I had a sub breakthrough dose and it was so unpleasant and shitty I almost told myself I would not do it again. But then i told myself to just stop fucking around and go for it.

So I went and showered and sat in my room and played some mellow music, lit some palo santo, and just tokk 3 or four huge rips and blasted off. It was quite amazing and unlike any of the previous trips, and I was really glad I made that decision

I have not had any bad experiences yet and I do not do it very often. Maybe once every few months


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19162599 - 11/19/13 10:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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stellarshnap said:
That's the thing, he wasn't on DMT. He was sober, and his behavior just seemed awfully off.






I realize that he was sober and what i am saying is that in my experience that will not happen from DMT unless you have some underlying mental problems to begin with even if they have not surfaced yet. 

Most people that are at risk for that are people who have a history of mental illness in their family.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162608 - 11/19/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you have mental illness in your family then I would be cautious, if you do not and you feel like you have a good head on your shoulders than go for it.


Do you have any other experience with psychedelics


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162644 - 11/19/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

No history of mental illness in my fam. I suppose in the spirit of courage, and experimentation, I'll try again. But, at the same time, try to look at this experience as nothing more than that, an experience completely outside of reality, with nothing to bring back. I've been tripping on acid and mushrooms since I was 15. Highest mushroom dose was 7 grams, highest L dose 3 hits of quality quality shit. Had a K-hole binge, IM'd at the very least 2 grams in a 2 month period. Feel saner then ever thankfully.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19162715 - 11/19/13 10:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Um yeah you should be fine, just take 3 huge hits (if you get that far) and hold them in for a long long time, have a place to set the pipe and a comfortable spot to lay back and close your eyes. Dim lighting helps.


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162816 - 11/19/13 11:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I went for it. Could have broken through, but I held myself back. It was made crystal clear that DMT is not for me. I'll wait till I die, then get my fill. I have to say though, it's extraordinarily beautiful. I had Boards of Canada playing, hearing Dayvan Cowboy unravel and turn into a floating symphony. Marvelous. It didn't scare me this time. It was more like it talked directly to me, and told me to stay away. :deemsters:


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: stellarshnap]
    #19162929 - 11/19/13 11:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

It wouldn't do that. I had a similar experience. It is only your subconscious talking to you. I went through the same thing. Keep it around, you may want to try again in a couple months, I did


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162935 - 11/19/13 11:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Could have broken through, but I held myself back. It was made crystal clear that DMT is not for me.





Yeah until you full break through you really cannot say whether it is or is not. It is quite a different experience altogether. ANd those sub-breakthrough doses can leave me feeling very unsatisfied


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Re: DMT is not to be fucked with...? [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162951 - 11/19/13 11:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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LiquidGlass said:
It is only your subconscious talking to you.




Well my subconscious made it quite clear that I need to stay grounded in reality, and that I can wait till my life ends. I got a glimpse and that's really all I needed. I'd rather pass along what I have left to my friend and stay humble, and remember what I was told. But hey man thanks so much for the advice, it helped me get past the initial shock and fright, which is something I appreciate no longer harboring in my heart.


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