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First B+ Jars!
    #19162559 - 11/19/13 10:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is my first time cultivation B+. I grew Golden Teacher in January. This is after 1 week since being inoculated. Based on where its at now, how long would you guys say until full colonization, to anyone whos experienced with B+.



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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162592 - 11/19/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry dude.  You better toss those jars.  They look contaminated.









JUST KIDDING!  CONGRATULATIONS YOU'RE A MUSHROOM DADDY! :derp:


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162595 - 11/19/13 10:21 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

:fuckyeahdance:

Happy for you.

Nobody can tell you definitively how long its going to take
to fully colonizer the growth medium.

Did you inoculate only one spot?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162603 - 11/19/13 10:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

did you only use one inoculation point?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19162611 - 11/19/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

how so? its pure white.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162621 - 11/19/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19162625 - 11/19/13 10:25 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

no there were 4 holes in the jar and i hit all 4 on both jars. only 1 syringe full of spores so you gotta figure half of a syringe in each jar.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19162632 - 11/19/13 10:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ohhhh! you got me.. lol. i was worried. ive spend a ton of cash setting up this whole new operation.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162642 - 11/19/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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no there were 4 holes in the jar and i hit all 4 on both jars. only 1 syringe full of spores so you gotta figure half of a syringe in each jar.




You knocked up only two jars with a full syringe? :thumbdown:


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162646 - 11/19/13 10:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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no there were 4 holes in the jar and i hit all 4 on both jars. only 1 syringe full of spores so you gotta figure half of a syringe in each jar.




that's a lot for each jar. you only need around 1cc per jar. you could do around 10 jars with a normal syringe.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: Darph_Bobo]
    #19162669 - 11/19/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I know, I know. but I intend on going to bulk after i capture the prints of these guys. So I figured I would jam pack the jars with spores in hopes of fast colonization. That way I can capture the spores off of the very few mushies I get. How much weight do you think 2 jars would yield? after I capture the spores I may as well munch on them.

The Golden Teacher I grew in January were more or less a learning experience. I had 6 jars and only 2 made it without contam. and while fruiting both jars I lost one of the cakes. So I was left with but one cake to cultivate. But the mushies that grew were massive! and i didnt even dunk them. It was my first time trying mushrooms, I was paranoid of "bad shrooms" so I grew my own.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162691 - 11/19/13 10:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I figured I would jam pack the jars with spores in hopes of fast colonization.




Yes, but it's also possible to over-saturate, doing more harm than good. Hard to tell moisture content from your pics. Hope all goes well.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: Darph_Bobo]
    #19162706 - 11/19/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes, but it's also possible to over-saturate, doing more harm than good. Hard to tell moisture content from your pics. Hope all goes well.




Whats over-saturation? what kind of harm does it cause? I never read about that.. and ive spent my fair share on this site browsing various teks and articles.

I ordered the jars from Everything Mushrooms, so hopefully they are ok. but i will dunk them just in case.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162734 - 11/19/13 10:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

if your substrate is too moist it won't colonize.

always dunk your cakes after you birth them, mushrooms are 90% water so i will only add to the growth.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19162755 - 11/19/13 10:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

since there are already signs of growth, does this show that there is no over-saturation? or is it still possible that it is over-saturated, even at this point in colonization?

also, I have never done bulk grow and was thinking about trying it with one of the jars. I know for sure I can fruit 1 jar straight from a cake to get the prints I want. But is there any suggestions for making a bulk substrate from just 1 jar? or is that advised against? lol


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19162773 - 11/19/13 10:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

You should have followed the tek. More is not better.


Less spores = better

It is likely that your jars are now too wet and the myc will either grow slower or stall out completely.

Luckily spores and brown rice are cheap, and you already have all the other equip so if these fail you can make some more jars.

If I were you i would order another syringe and make some now


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162785 - 11/19/13 10:59 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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It is likely that your jars are now too wet and the myc will either grow slower or stall out completely.




its only been about a week and few days and the signs of growth are evident so even though it may have taken a few extra days the jars are still within an average timeline. however i will take your advice and order some more stuff. just in case.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162800 - 11/19/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)




its only been about a week and few days and the signs of growth are evident so even though it may have taken a few extra days the jars are still within an average timeline. however i will take your advice and order some more stuff. just in case.




your jars may still colonize but certain areas may not leaving your cakes open to contamination.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162809 - 11/19/13 11:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

It is not really something that can be seen at his stage. Your jars may very well be fine, but IME pf cakes do not colonize well with extra water

You should do 1/4 of a cc per hole and have four holes per lid, thus using on cc per jar. One syringe should make 10-12 jars


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19162828 - 11/19/13 11:10 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

is there any way to save them? im no expert but it would be worth the try, it'd be a waste of time and money if i didnt give it a shot. any alternatives? perhaps break both up into bulk substrate?

also, when will i be able to tell for sure? is there any telltale signs?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162848 - 11/19/13 11:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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is there any way to save them? im no expert but it would be worth the try, it'd be a waste of time and money if i didnt give it a shot. any alternatives? perhaps break both up into bulk substrate?

also, when will i be able to tell for sure? is there any telltale signs?




i would say your best bet would be to let them colonize then once they have stopped. cut off any areas that haven't colonized then crumble the cakes and spawn to coir and verm. and do a mini bulk grow in a small tray.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19162895 - 11/19/13 11:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

don't worry too much. The fact that you have growth at all is a VERY good sign.

Just be patient. It's way to early to tell anything.  If you're worried, get some more spores and start another project in case this one doesn't pan out the way you want it to.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19162924 - 11/19/13 11:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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i would say your best bet would be to let them colonize then once they have stopped. cut off any areas that haven't colonized then crumble the cakes and spawn to coir and verm. and do a mini bulk grow in a small tray.






:whathesaid:


Unless they colonize ll the way, then fruit them like normal pf cakes


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19166560 - 11/20/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ok, even though i havnt lost faith in the jars, i went ahead and ordered a pre-sterlized rye spawn bag and another syringe of B+. how many CC's should i put in a spawn bag?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19166596 - 11/20/13 05:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok, even though i havnt lost faith in the jars, i went ahead and ordered a pre-sterlized rye spawn bag and another syringe of B+. how many CC's should i put in a spawn bag?





Never used those before . . .


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19166995 - 11/20/13 07:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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ok, even though i havnt lost faith in the jars, i went ahead and ordered a pre-sterlized rye spawn bag and another syringe of B+. how many CC's should i put in a spawn bag?




2 CC's tops. I used 2 for a spawn bag and it worked out just fine but I'm sure you could use 1 and it would work great.  Just shake the syringe really well.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: elasticaltiger]
    #19167031 - 11/20/13 07:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

On a diff note, take the foil off your jars cuz, that is what the dry verm layer is for.:grin:


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: Casual Cultivator]
    #19185153 - 11/25/13 12:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey! 5 days later! growth continues :thumbup: however the pre-sterilized bulk bag and new syringe are on their way. So I suppose im going to have an interesting learning experience. any links to easy maybe mini monotubs that you guys suggest? theres tons on this site that i have read myself. but what has proved to be easiest for you guys? or perhaps would be easier for a first time bulk grow?



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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19186067 - 11/25/13 09:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

crumbling cakes and spawning them to a coir and verm mixture would probably be the easiest bulk grow that you could do. 

i myself, have 3 quarts of b+ that i'm  going to do this with later on this week. 

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/10713572#10713572

i'm using this tek right here with some modifications to the tub.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19186109 - 11/25/13 09:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

The spawn bag im using is rye grain. Will the coir verm mixture still be effective? the tek you posted, Doc-T said he uses WBS.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19186283 - 11/25/13 10:30 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The spawn bag im using is rye grain. Will the coir verm mixture still be effective? the tek you posted, Doc-T said he uses WBS.





you will be fine with rye grain, it will actually colonize the substrate faster than crumbling cakes.

as for the wbs it's pretty much interchangeable with rye grain in any tek, its usually just cheaper to buy.

if you are going to do the coir verm mixture i suggest adding some  some spent coffee grounds and some gypsum it should help you colonize faster and add to the over all health of your fruits.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19186819 - 11/25/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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you will be fine with rye grain, it will actually colonize the substrate faster than crumbling cakes.

as for the wbs it's pretty much interchangeable with rye grain in any tek, its usually just cheaper to buy.

if you are going to do the coir verm mixture i suggest adding some  some spent coffee grounds and some gypsum it should help you colonize faster and add to the over all health of your fruits.




by adding 'some' is there an exact amount i should add? or will it not hurt to go a little over or a little under?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19188085 - 11/25/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

it really just depends on how much of the other ingredients you use.  i think the tek i posted in this thread has an exact amount.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: karp]
    #19188106 - 11/25/13 05:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

honestly coffee ground are uncolonized and could cause contamination if not properly pasteurized. spawning to coir/verm works adding coffee grounds speeds up the colonization but adds more risk for contamination. i wouldn't add them if i were you.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: silverstem]
    #19202357 - 11/28/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

well ive got some bad news, mean green came and knocked up one of my jars.  but the other one is very very healthy and progressing. Im going to clean out the jar right away with the mean green with bleach and what not. and i plan on just inoculating it again. I have vermiculite rock, is there anything around the house that i can mix with it to make the substrate better?



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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19202365 - 11/28/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

heres the healthy jar, looking handsome :heart:



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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: silverstem]
    #19203104 - 11/28/13 11:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

also, i went to walmart today to find brown rice flour and did not have any. But i do have whole wheat flour. will this work as well or should i not even waste my time?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19203141 - 11/28/13 11:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry, I ain't tryina be a dick er nothin; but you need to do alot more research.  One jar will not really be enough to do a bulk grow unless its some type of mini.  Best I can suggest is either fruit the cake once it's colonized if it reaches that point.  Hope your grow works out for you tho.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19203189 - 11/29/13 12:04 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

ive got a rye spawn bag. that jar isnt gunna be the bulk grow.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19203200 - 11/29/13 12:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Alright good to hear that.  I'd deff use the spawn bag for a monotub bro and just fruit the cake as is to get yourself some prints.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19203221 - 11/29/13 12:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yea, thanks. How many cc's of spore solution should i put in the spawn bag? I havnt inoculated it yet.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19203226 - 11/29/13 12:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

No more than 2cc's total.  I'm sure 1cc will be enough tho too.  You don't want to add too much water if the spawn is pre-hydrated.  So anywhere between 1-2cc's will do the trick.  How big of an amount is in bag anyway I forgot to ask?  That will tell me how much you'd want to use.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19203237 - 11/29/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Its a 2lb pre-sterlized bag from everythingmushrooms. Should be in the mail by tomarow or next day. Same temperature and stuff for a spawn bag as pktek jars, right?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19203266 - 11/29/13 12:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Oh yeah 2 cc's is plenty then.  I'd incubate it anywhere from 65-75 degree's because the larger the substrate/bag the more heat it produces itself while colonizing.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19203282 - 11/29/13 12:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thats for optimal growth right? Its getting cold here in illinois and 65-75 is a pretty neutral temp. At night it may get below 65 (in the house of course, its freezing outside), that just slows the process down right? Not harmful?


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19203292 - 11/29/13 01:02 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Shit I live in Illinois too and it's freezing as all hell out.  But honestly room temp would be fine.  Just don't go over 85 degrees because the internal temps will be up to 5 degree's higher if not more. 


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19203300 - 11/29/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I forgot to add, yeah it will just slow the colonization down if it gets too cold.  Won't harm it at all.  High temps will kill it tho.  I'd like someone who has more experience to chime in and mention what optimal temps for spawn bags are.  I just know from alot of research that someone had great results off a 2lb spawn bag with temps anywhere from 65-75 degree's.


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: DannyDGAF]
    #19205252 - 11/29/13 03:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

the spawn bag is finally here!  :dancer:  i put 2cc of B+ cubensis solution in it, then realized i didnt shake up the syringe, so i shook up the syringe and put another 1cc. Hope to see some white soon


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Re: First B+ Jars! [Re: TraxSeos]
    #19251674 - 12/09/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago)

Well, after a few days of no progress, i flipped the jar upside down and she started to grow again! simple solution to a simple problem :rasta:  id say they re 50% done


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