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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Stromrider]
    #19160547 - 11/19/13 04:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains





:ifyoucanawe: Simple logic wins again. That's a good point.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Stromrider]
    #19160592 - 11/19/13 04:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains




I disagree.

Horses eat roughage - legumes and grasses.  Feeding them grains is a matter of convenience.  Same with cattle.  Hard to crack open a bag and have an instant pasture for grazing.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
    #19160637 - 11/19/13 04:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MrGumball said:
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Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains




I disagree.

Horses eat roughage - legumes and grasses.  Feeding them grains is a matter of convenience.  Same with cattle.  Hard to crack open a bag and have an instant pasture for grazing.





But all grains are also grass.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19160662 - 11/19/13 04:58 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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wildernessjunkie said:
But all grains are also grass.




Not the same, grains are the "fruit" of the grass.

Grains are to grass

as

mushrooms are to mycelium.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19160665 - 11/19/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

PF cakes do not involve any grains.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: eLeSDenes]
    #19160666 - 11/19/13 04:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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eLeSDenes said:
PF cakes do not involve any grains.



Brown rice is a grain......


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
    #19160685 - 11/19/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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MrGumball said:
Quote:

wildernessjunkie said:
But all grains are also grass.




Not the same, grains are the "fruit" of the grass.

Grains are to grass

as

mushrooms are to mycelium.




Mushrooms ARE mycelium.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19160760 - 11/19/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I don't deny that.  I was using it to illustrate a point, not be technical.


Edited by MrGumball (11/19/13 05:17 PM)


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19160790 - 11/19/13 05:22 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pans require manure to grow, but cubes don't. Though they have both been considered dung lovers.

If cubes won't grow on manure exclusively maybe we are missing something. If we cannot cultivate them domestically without grain, perhaps they are actually grass lovers with a propensity for manure.




Someone recently replied to a questiion I had showing pans growing on cased grain, no manure. Pans were also shown growing on straw.

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budkatz said:
Could you elaborate on the pans and poo per your comment? I would love to see a method that could eliminate the need for poo with pans. Thanks!



Sure. Its nothing new as the knowledge that pans can fruit without poo has been around for a while. Usually straw is considered the sub to use if poo cannot be obtained. But They have even been done on cased grains. I plan to try many things with them soon. Just need a few supplies first and Canada Post sux balls. No matter what tho poo does seem make things easier and enjoys a higher success rate.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=30&Number=15578698&PHPSESSID=&fpart=1#15578698

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18253136#18253136


Edited by budkatz (11/19/13 05:30 PM)


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: budkatz]
    #19160834 - 11/19/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

@ WJ - looking over Mate0x's project again, not sure if you could technically consider it grain free due to the coir being hydrated in "rice water" - thoughts?


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: MrGumball]
    #19161084 - 11/19/13 06:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Seems like the rice water is bound to carry some nutrition with it. But I imagine its fairly minimal. I remember Spongi's LC tests. He was going to make brf "coffee" and try it as an LC. I'm not sure if he ever did it though.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19161252 - 11/19/13 06:53 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Grains and grass are not the same thing, grains are the seeds of grass and contain a whole different set of nutrients


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19162488 - 11/19/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains



Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature.  Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture.
Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed.
It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.

Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.


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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Violet]
    #19162726 - 11/19/13 10:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Violet said:
Quote:

Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains



Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature.  Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture.
Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed.
It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.

Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.



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Violet said:
Quote:

Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains



Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature.  Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture.
Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed.
It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.

Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.





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Re: Cubes without grain [Re: Violet]
    #19162860 - 11/19/13 11:17 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Violet said:
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Stromrider said:
Well a dung lover is basically a grain lover since dung is basically digested grains



Exactly. So Cubensis is after grass and seed. Its ideal substrate is the crown jewel of grass, concentrated grass gold reproductive pods emerged in the lovely fractal patterns of nature.  Cubensis natural substrate is grass-grain mixture.
Equine and bovine manure are lightly- and rather-digested grass-grain mixtures, making the Cubensis that grows from that substrate a secondary decomposer, instead of a primary decomposer in the case of hay, straw, seed.
It is nearly certain that Cubensis is simply a hardy & efficient grass-loving organism that easily fills the large niche created by human livestocking.

Yes grains and grass are not the same thing, but they're of the same organism, beget each other, and in a sense are almost like different concentrations of each other.




This thread made me think of you Violet. Glad you stopped by


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