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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19162398 - 11/19/13 09:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Lol, you're missing the point. Obviously Jesus didn't print or even write any book within the bible but he chose his disciples who did write the bible. The Christian god is omnipotent and so he obviously knew that "the word" would be spread through Jesus and his disciples. An omnipotent God would obviously understand anything that we couldn't grasp. You see, I believe that I understand omnipotence better than anyone who would ever argue against Christianity. Who the FUCK would ever question an omnipotent God?!? That's what makes Christianity so convincing. You'd also have to look at Christianity from Gods perepective. An omnipotent perspective. The Christian god would look at us as insects, time to him would be of no importance, one soul would be no more miraculous than a grain of sand but in that perfectly mundane outlook would like the perfect beauty of such revelance that something so small could develop so powerfully. A cosmic omnipotent god would not see death as we see it. He would think us foolish to question him because some tornado ripped through a town and killed 16 people. We'd ask why desperately crying for the pain and sorrow and he would look down on us pitifully because we can't see that from his eyes, death is every bit as important and miraculous as life itself. That's also why I don't believe in Christianity. The most powerful evidence that could convince me of Christianity would be Gods omnipotence and yet it's the omnipotence that makes Christianity completely impossible. Omnipotence is impossible. It defies everything we know, the universe is ever changing and omnipotence wouldn't ever change, it contradicts the universe itself.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19162610 - 11/19/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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GreyMorph said:
That's what makes Christianity so convincing.




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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Sleepwalker]
    #19163172 - 11/20/13 01:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19163318 - 11/20/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians (including the writers of the Bible)  would feel no need to result to the cheap tactic of using fear inducing threats to inspire belief.




Ironically this appears to one of the Christian's major arguments: "I felt the truth of the Bible as soon as I read it."


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19165566 - 11/20/13 01:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Stromrider said:
Christianity is based on fear.

If the evidence were such that Christianity's truth was immediately apparent to anyone who considered it, Christians (including the writers of the Bible)  would feel no need to result to the cheap tactic of using fear inducing threats to inspire belief. 

Furthermore don't you think if Jesus Christ were the son of God and the savior of mankind that more than just a small group of people in Israel would have known about him? Don't you think the God of humanity in the flesh coming to earth would make himself known to everyone



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one of the most irritating things with Christianity haters is that they have no idea what they're talking about and say things like this which are literally addressed in the Bible, if you bothered to read it. This logic doesn't even make sense, firstly because 1) many more people than the apostles new about Christ, and 2) Christianity has spread all around the globe and is one of the most practiced religions there is, so it's not just 'a small group of people in Israel' and 3) if you will take yourself on an adventure to google.com you can find all kinds of theological explanations as for why Christs life happened the way it did.

Questioning the status quo is great but this isn't questioning anything, it's just ignorance.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Oliveaux]
    #19165581 - 11/20/13 02:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I was responding to the "christianity is based on fear" part.  I guess I should have quoted just that part. :shrug:

But I have read the bible several times and attended Baptist Bible College in Michigan in the 70s. I grew up with the bible.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19165617 - 11/20/13 02:07 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was responding to the "christianity is based on fear" part.  I guess I should have quoted just that part. :shrug:

But I have read the bible several times and attended Baptist Bible College in Michigan in the 70s. I grew up with the bible.




no worries, it wasn't meant as an attack on you or anyone in particular but rather the intellectual laziness that comes with these discussions about Christianity, exemplified in the illogical post.

while i'm here though i feel the need to point out that the way Christianity is practiced in the U.S. is absolutely bizarre and unlike anything else in the world. The same arguments used against Christianity are applicable to most dominant religions (control based on fear - is there any other kind?), fundamentalism, cultural imperialism etc.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19165625 - 11/20/13 02:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I went to Catholic high school for two years, my wife still doesn't believe me because the school isn't named after a saint, i showed it to her on the net. i had religious classes - she didn't ....


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: eve69]
    #19165686 - 11/20/13 02:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I spent the first 25 years of my life in the church learning the bible. The problem isn't that I don't know the bible. The problem is that I do

Sure people all over the globe know about Christianity now but that's only been within the past 300 years.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19165729 - 11/20/13 02:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pagan pride! Lol, this discussion went limp, storm rider. Onward we march!


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19165737 - 11/20/13 02:30 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I spent the first 25 years of my life in the church learning the bible. The problem isn't that I don't know the bible. The problem is that I do

Sure people all over the globe know about Christianity now but that's only been within the past 300 years.




There was also a time before Christ came and the Bible addresses the fate of human souls in the absence of Christ. I'm sorry your religious education was so bereft but if you're sincere about your question then your best bet is to seek out the information applicable to the denomination you do or don't subscribe to since explanations for the Christ story differ. From an Orthodox Christian perspective, the message was spread around the globe as was Gods plan and miracles are not performed as parlor tricks. Again, if you refer to your Bible, Christ did not perform miracles on command to impress or convert people but only performed them for the benefit of the faithful.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: GreySatyr]
    #19165788 - 11/20/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pagan pride! Lol, this discussion went limp, storm rider. Onward we march!




:werd: At least us pagans worship something tangible. If people  would worry half as much about our natural world than their immortal soul we'd be in good shape!

Oliveaux I Iiterally feel sorry for Christians. They're so brainwashed it saddens me. Some of the things Christians take literally from the Bible like the creation story and the story of the flood are almost comical. Those stories are allegorical and were never meant to be taken literally.  Not to mention that Christianity is anti intellectual and anti scientific


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19165858 - 11/20/13 02:59 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Pagan pride! Lol, this discussion went limp, storm rider. Onward we march!




:werd: At least us pagans worship something tangible. If people  would worry half as much about our natural world than their immortal soul we'd be in good shape!

Oliveaux I Iiterally feel sorry for Christians. They're so brainwashed it saddens me. Some of the things Christians take literally from the Bible like the creation story and the story of the flood are almost comical. Those stories are allegorical and were never meant to be taken literally.  Not to mention that Christianity is anti intellectual and anti scientific



Again, you are talking about a minority of Fundamentalist U.S. Christians, and as I said before, Christianity just isn't practiced like that in other places. I'd be lying if I said the cultural imperialism of this statement doesn't annoy me, largely because the U.S. has such a long and ugly history of believing it is the centre of the universe and no one else exists. Point being, most Christians do not take the creation story literally or see it as being in opposition to science including evolution nor do they believe the stories in the old testament are literal, rather they're allegories. One countries bastardization of an ancient religion shouldn't define it, or be touted as anything more than the bizarre cultural and political practice that it is. #rant over


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Oliveaux]
    #19165928 - 11/20/13 03:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

You have to understand GreyMorph and I live in Southeastern United States and this is what we are surrounded by. This is what Christianity is to us because this is what we're surrounded by


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Stromrider]
    #19165942 - 11/20/13 03:20 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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You have to understand GreyMorph and I live in Southeastern United States and this is what we are surrounded by. This is what Christianity is to us because this is what we're surrounded by



If you're only referring to Bible Belt Christianity then say so, as Christianity literally encompasses Christians of all denominations from all around the globe. The base assumption that U.S. Christianity is somehow indicative of all Christian practice, implied or not, is the cultural imperialism and US centrism I was referring to.


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Oliveaux]
    #19166420 - 11/20/13 05:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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I was responding to the "christianity is based on fear" part.  I guess I should have quoted just that part. :shrug:

But I have read the bible several times and attended Baptist Bible College in Michigan in the 70s. I grew up with the bible.




no worries, it wasn't meant as an attack on you or anyone in particular but rather the intellectual laziness that comes with these discussions about Christianity, exemplified in the illogical post.

while i'm here though i feel the need to point out that the way Christianity is practiced in the U.S. is absolutely bizarre and unlike anything else in the world. The same arguments used against Christianity are applicable to most dominant religions (control based on fear - is there any other kind?), fundamentalism, cultural imperialism etc.




Oh I agree. :satansmoking:


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" All that lives was born to die"-Anom.

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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19168380 - 11/21/13 01:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I think Christianity in the many forms it takes at the moment in the west will probably die out, especially considering that there is an active agenda to do so (not just destroy the religion but also it's core values in humanity), but as long as there are humans Christ & what he taught will be alive within them, even if every bible on the planet is destroyed, you can destroy peoples beliefs & their books, and you can distract them with shitty movies, music & sex, but you can't totally destroy peoples urge to find the truth of their Being, you can't destroy eternal wisdom, and that what's Christ truly is, so Christianity is a fad, but Christ isn't


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Chronic7]
    #19168400 - 11/21/13 01:36 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

but as long as there are humans Christ & what he taught will be alive within them

No offense dear boy

but

I don't see how you could possibly know this.  I love it how people make these proclamations, from the pulpit so to speak and then expect it to be taken as a self evident truth. :lol:


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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19168461 - 11/21/13 02:09 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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but as long as there are humans Christ & what he taught will be alive within them

No offense dear boy

but

I don't see how you could possibly know this.  I love it how people make these proclamations, from the pulpit so to speak and then expect it to be taken as a self evident truth. :lol:




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Re: Chrisitanity is just a fad [Re: Icelander]
    #19169028 - 11/21/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Icelander said:
but as long as there are humans Christ & what he taught will be alive within them

No offense dear boy

but

I don't see how you could possibly know this.  I love it how people make these proclamations, from the pulpit so to speak and then expect it to be taken as a self evident truth. :lol:




None taken :smile:

I far from expect what I say to be taken blindly as truth & enjoy chatting to you about these things

What i meant is that the realizations of Sages can be realized within yourself without even ever having heard the teachings before, like there is timeless wisdom in us all waiting to shine, of course I can only speak for myself but I've heard others mention the same thing, so as i see it as long as humans exist they have the potential for those realizations to blossom within themselves

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