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Need advice on building a PC (~$600)
#19161890 - 11/19/13 08:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's getting to be about that time where I need a new computer. My current laptop is over 4 years old now and can't handle everything I want it to. I just need something more up to date for around $600-700, just on the tower, no periphs. Nothing too powerful, I won't be playing the high end games.
The last time I built an full computer from parts must have been 6 years ago, so I'm a bit rusty. I don't know which brands are best to go with, but I still know how to find parts that match and can compare specs.
On the other hand, I found a pre-built alienware machine for $700 (tower only) that will be going on sale for $600 around black friday. After reading some reviews and watching youtube videos, it seems to be what I need and I don't mind the mini case.
Alienware X51: DPCWXY01H (the basic unit for $699)

CPU: i3-4130 Processor (3MB Cache, 3.40 GHz)
RAM: 6GB (1x2GB+1x4GB) DDR3L 1600Mh Non-ECC
HDD: 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7,200RPM) 64MB Cache
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 645 with 1GB GDDR5
Now what I need to do is build a computer that has similar or better specs than this alienware. I tried a few days ago on newegg, but had trouble finding the matching parts and kept coming out a few hundred over budget.
Any help is appreciated, even if it's just recommending a motherboard.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19162296 - 11/19/13 09:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just spending a couple minutes on newegg to try and generally match those specs.
Western Digital WD Green WD10EZRX 1TB IntelliPower SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM Item #: N82E16822236070 $69.99
EVGA 02G-P4-2645-KR GeForce GT 640 2GB 128-bit DDR3 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814130796 Return Policy: Iron Egg Guarantee Return Policy $89.99
Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX Item #: N82E16820104173 $89.99
ASUS H81M-K LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813132052 $57.99
Intel Core i3-4130 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4400 BX80646I34130 Item #: N82E16819116946 $129.99
Total: $437.95
That leaves over a hundred seventy five to pick out a case and power supply that fits your taste/budget/decor , and the specs you posted on that alienware build are exceeded in the area of both RAM and videocard. I'm personally partial to AMD builds, but these low wattage intel builds look interesting but I think you could get more for the money with AMD though.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19163198 - 11/20/13 01:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Good stuff. I swapped out a few of the parts with upgraded parts that came in combo deals or were only slightly higher in price. Total price on the tower came out closer to $700, but oh well. 
Also found a 24 inch monitor, disc drive, keyboard, and some additional fans. All of this brought my total to just over $900, but there are like $80 of rebates in there.
I'll post the list up tomorrow and hopefully be placing the order within the next couple of days.
Thanks Ellis Dee, you've been much help.
And screw you alienware. You almost had my money.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19163223 - 11/20/13 01:17 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Will a 500W PS handle this build?
----- Intel Core i3-4330 Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I34330 Item #: N82E16819116945 $197.98 (2 part combo)
EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814130838 $129.99
Kingston HyperX 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX Item #: N82E16820104173 $89.99
ASUS H81M-K LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813132052 $197.98 (2 part combo)
Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822236404 $89.99
ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM Item #: N82E16827135204 $16.99
Cooler Master i500 - 500W Power Supply with 80 PLUS Bronze Certification Item #: N82E16817171082 $49.99
Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811139012 $129.99
Cooler Master Sleeve Bearing 120mm Silent Fan for Computer Cases, CPU Coolers, and Radiators (Value 4-Pack) Item #: N82E16835103052 $13.99
LITE-ON SK-1788/BS Black and Gray PS/2 Wired Standard Keyboard Item #: N82E16823107120 $8.99 
ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236153 $179.99 -----
Total: $907.89
$80 in mail in rebates
Shipping is under $15
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19163520 - 11/20/13 04:05 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, those slightly higher price parts really kill the budget builds, lol. And its so easy to to widen what you consider the "sweet spot" between price and performance. And those side things, like do you really need new computer case, moniter, and stuff. The price really goes up with all the little things. I do the same thing though, I start with a budget build and end up with specs for a dream machine. lol
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19163828 - 11/20/13 07:14 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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To be honest, I put a low $600 goal on purpose, because I knew I would do exactly what I did. I've got the spending money, so it's not an issue. 
And I do need every part, I'm coming from a laptop. All I've got is a mouse. :P
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19163964 - 11/20/13 08:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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$60 Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Steel / Plastic compact ATX Mid Tower Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139018
$60 CORSAIR CX series CX500 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139027
$99 ASRock Z87 PRO3 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157370
$219 Intel Core i5-4670 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898
$80 G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231314
$69.99 Seagate Barracuda ST1000DM003 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148840
Use the onboard video, haswell igpu on higher end cpus (not like the i3 in your dell mini pc) is pretty decent...
Total cost $587
Battlefield 3 playing @ 1080p on Intel HD 4600 (what's included w/ processor)... probably low settings, but playable...
If you have a few more coins to toss into it for future proofing, for an extra $39: CORSAIR Enthusiast Series TX650 650W ATX12V/EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC High Performance Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?gclid=CLK2yIPa87oCFdFcfgod9wQANg&Item=N82E16817139020&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-Power+Supplies-_-N82E16817139020&ef_id=Un00iwAABIDDRvUy:20131120154224:s
This psu is solid for a single power guzzling graphics card...
And then you could add some decent midrange card for $150 down the road like 650ti boost or 7850
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19166847 - 11/20/13 06:30 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Pretty sure I want a dedicated card right away, so I'll stick to the CPU and vid card I found.
But that RAM sure looks nice. Is G. Skill the brand to go with as far as RAM? Right now I've got some Corsair sticks in my list that have the same specs as the one you posted, but for a few bucks cheaper.
And for power supplies, do you know if there is anything wrong with choosing a Cooler Master? The reviews I read were fine, but if corsair's are that much better, I might as well go with them.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19166939 - 11/20/13 06:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Updated list:
-----Tower
CPU/Motherboard combo Intel Core i3-4330 Haswell 3.5GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4600 BX80646I34330 Item #: N82E16819116945 ASUS H81M-K LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 uATX Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813132052 $197.98 (+$20 rebate) UPDATED
Video EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814130838 $129.99 (+$20 rebate)
RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Item #: N82E16820231314 $78.99
HD Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822236404 $89.99
Power Cooler Master i500 - 500W Power Supply with 80 PLUS Bronze Certification Item #: N82E16817171082 $49.99 (+$20 rebate)
Disk ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM Item #: N82E16827135204 $16.99
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811139012 $129.99
-----/Tower total: $693.92
-----Monitor
ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236153 $179.99 (+$20 rebate)
-----/Monitor $179.99
-----Accessories
Case fans Cooler Master Sleeve Bearing 120mm Silent Fan for Computer Cases, CPU Coolers, and Radiators (Value 4-Pack) Item #: N82E16835103052 $13.99
HDMI to mini Nippon Labs Premium 6 ft. HDMI to mini HDMI cable with metal hood & gold-plated connectors Model MHDMI-6 Item #: N82E16812816074 $9.99
Webcam Refurbished: Logitech C510 USB 2.0 HD WebCam Item #: N82E16826104708 $24.99
Refurbished: Logitech F310 Gamepad with broad game support and customizable buttons Item #: N82E16826104629 $12.99
-----/Accessories total: $61.96
Grand total: $935.87 (+$80 rebates)
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Edited by The Phleg (11/20/13 07:32 PM)
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19167072 - 11/20/13 07:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, $199 is just too much money for the i3 cpu you are looking at - really, get the i5 quad core for $20 more, it's an excellent CPU.... Or compare and see what last year's ivy bridge i3 CPUs look like - haswell isn't really faster and it's just not worth it to spend that kind of cash on an i3... The i5 i linked is a phenomenal cpu and I'm sure you won't regret it if you're looking to spend $200 on a cpu, it's worth that little bit more... anyways, find somewhere else to save the cash if you need it, like a different case than the $129 one you linked, which is a great case, but working with a tighter budget there are better options.
Coolermaster is hit and miss, really depends on the specific PSU, they rebrand a large variety of other PSUs... But at that price point I'm already sure it's nothing to write home about and nothing I'd want to drop a 650ti in... A solid, reliable power supply is an investment worth making... It's really worth spending a little more on a PSU... For a little less, look at this one @ $74.99 SeaSonic M12II 520 Bronze 520W ATX12V v2.3 / EPS 12V v2.91 SLI Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151093
G skill is very reputable ram company.... I've never owned any, I tend to buy Crucial ram these days (used to buy Corsair), but I truly wouldn't worry about it.
Edit: ah wait, I didn't realize since you had listed the cpu and the motherboard twice in your first part list w/ cash amounts by both there was only one price for both.... Yah, I guess you are saving a hundred bucks so strike that.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg] 1
#19167110 - 11/20/13 07:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just for kicks I put together a machine I would build with that budget just for comparison of the value of an AMD vs intel build. Left out the moniter, speakers, and keyboard though. Added multicard reader/writer and blue ray burner instead of dvd burner.
Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Steel / Plastic compact ATX Mid Tower Case Item #: N82E16811139018 $59.99
Seagate Barracuda STBD2000101 2TB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Retail kit Item #: N82E16822148910 $99.99
MSI 970A-G43 AM3+ AMD 970 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130679 $59.99
CORSAIR CX series CX500 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply Item #: N82E16817139027 $59.99
Koutech IO-RCM632 USB 3.0 Support SD/CF/xD/MS/MMC. Multi-in-1 SuperSpeed USB 3.0 Front Panel Internal Card Reader with USB ... Item #: N82E16820162035 $31.99
AMD FX-8320 Vishera 3.5GHz (4.0GHz Turbo) Socket AM3+ 125W Eight-Core Desktop Processor FD8320FRHKBOX Item #: N82E16819113285 $159.99
LG Black 14X BD-R 2X BD-RE 16X DVD+R 5X DVD-RAM 12X BD-ROM 4MB Cache SATA BDXL Blu-ray Burner, Bare Drive, 3D Play Back (WH14NS40) ... - OEM Item #: N82E16827136250 $79.99
ASUS HD7750-1GD5-V2 Radeon HD 7750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814121633 $99.99
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBSR Item #: N82E16820231416 $79.99
Subtotal: $731.91
With this 8 core setup you can overclock to 4.1 or 4.2 ghz easy, OC the ram to 1800, holy crap man. And I upgraded to blue ray burner and added a multicard reader which you'll need since you're starting from scratch. I think this setup would far exceed the intel setup. Only difference is that the AMD doesn't have onboard video like Intel chips do, but that doesn't matter because you're going with a higher end video card.
I know I'm partial to AMD, but when you compare the specs on builds that cost the same to me its a no brainer. I know corporate outfits and government always like intel, and I never can understand why.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19167156 - 11/20/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn that is impressive. I've actually got someone else PMing me so switch over to AMD as well, and it is sounding pretty convincing.
In fact, a few years ago I used to be all over AMD, but fell out of the scene and just accepted intel. And like you said, I'm not really sure why... 
Based on specs alone, yeah, AMD is the winner, but I need to find out how that actually holds up in performance before making the decision.
By the way, this is all great info coming from both of you. I'm learning quite a bit of what was forgotten over the years.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19167161 - 11/20/13 07:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And, CJ, I can let the price go up a lil more yet, and you're right about the i3 I had listed. I'm not gonna get that. I'll be looking up the i5 you linking and some AMDs.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19167215 - 11/20/13 07:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'd recommend intel, they use way less power and even the dual core i3-4130 outperforms comparably priced 6 core amd chips for gaming... but other tasks like video editing i'm sure the six core would win out, but games generally don't take advantage much of multithreading... http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-3.html
read this, and then look at the cpu hierarchy chart at the end along with the performance per dollar chart....
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19168349 - 11/21/13 01:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I decided if I'm dropping this much money into it already, might as well make it worth the cost. Went and chose parts that would allow for easier future upgrading as well.
So, the $600 on the tower price range is no longer relevant. 
Anyway, here it is. I'm sticking with intel, and this build is pretty much final. What do yall think?
Updated list ?Final?:
-----Tower
Motherboard/RAM COMBO MSI Z87-G43 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX High Performance CF Gaming Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130694 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL Item #: N82E16820231455 $171.48
CPU/power COMBO Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K Item #: N82E16819116899 CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Compatible ... Item #: N82E16817139005 $316.98 (+$10 rebate)
Video EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814130838 $129.99 (+$20 rebate)
HD Western Digital WD Green WD20EZRX 2TB IntelliPower 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822236404 $89.99
Disk ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM Item #: N82E16827135204 $16.99
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811139012 $129.99
-----/Tower total: $855.42 (+$70 rebates)
-----Monitor
ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236153 $179.99 (+$20 rebate)
-----/Monitor $179.99
-----Accessories
Case fans Cooler Master Sleeve Bearing 120mm Silent Fan for Computer Cases, CPU Coolers, and Radiators (Value 4-Pack) Item #: N82E16835103052 $13.99
HDMI to mini Nippon Labs Premium 6 ft. HDMI to mini HDMI cable with metal hood & gold-plated connectors Model MHDMI-6 Item #: N82E16812816074 $9.99
Webcam Refurbished: Logitech C510 USB 2.0 HD WebCam Item #: N82E16826104708 $24.99
Refurbished: Logitech F310 Gamepad with broad game support and customizable buttons Item #: N82E16826104629 $12.99
-----/Accessories total: $61.96
Grand Total: $1097.37 (+$70 rebates)
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Edited by The Phleg (11/21/13 01:17 AM)
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19168413 - 11/21/13 01:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've built so many rigs over the years. I personally love AMD for my budget builds. Stability and heating are never issues for me, great bang for the buck, and super easy to change the clock on it. Black editions don't even require a change in voltage settings to increase the clock speeds.
Don't get me wrong. I would say that the high end intels are better overall, but only by a little. Not worth the massive price difference on an AM3+.
Plus, I hate intel drivers. I have to have all of this shit running just to get my 3tb hdd to work even though the motherboard was supposedly made for it.
Another thing you should consider is SSD. Best damn upgrade I have ever done. The capacity is small, so load your OS, antivirus, and whatever games you happen to be playing at the time on that as a primary drive and a HDD for the storage drive.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Cheezymold]
#19168420 - 11/21/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eh, I'm going to stick with intel on this build.
And SSD would be amazing, but like you said, they are small. My machine is going to be at least half used for media files and such. Can't believe 2TB is less than $100.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19168427 - 11/21/13 01:51 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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if you go intel, you might consider at least an i5. Bottlenecking processes on a brand new build is a good way to piss yourself off lol.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Cheezymold]
#19168451 - 11/21/13 02:03 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Cheezymold said: I've built so many rigs over the years. I personally love AMD for my budget builds. Stability and heating are never issues for me, great bang for the buck, and super easy to change the clock on it. Black editions don't even require a change in voltage settings to increase the clock speeds.
Don't get me wrong. I would say that the high end intels are better overall, but only by a little. Not worth the massive price difference on an AM3+.
Plus, I hate intel drivers. I have to have all of this shit running just to get my 3tb hdd to work even though the motherboard was supposedly made for it.
Another thing you should consider is SSD. Best damn upgrade I have ever done. The capacity is small, so load your OS, antivirus, and whatever games you happen to be playing at the time on that as a primary drive and a HDD for the storage drive.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Cheezymold]
#19168486 - 11/21/13 02:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sorry I should have read your updated list. It seems that you are giving up on the budget build. I can give you a few suggestions if you want to save money and make a great pc.
The cpu/psu bundle is unnecessary. You only need 500w for a single gpu, which will run 59.99 for a nice corsair. CORSAIR CX series CX500 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
You might consider Micro ATX. A full size MB is appealing, but are you really going to use it? If you aren't running a multi GPU setup or having 6+ hard drives, you are just wasting space. ASUS H81M-A LGA 1150 Intel H81 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard
If you aren't going to use a SSD, I would STRONGLY suggest spending a little more money and getting a 7200 RPM HDD. 5400 is only useful for storage, and will slow your system to a crawl no matter how fast your processor is. Again, I cannot stress how important the hard drive speed is. Western Digital WD Black WD2002FAEX 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive - OEM
If you go with a micro MB, you can get a smaller case too. I use this one for my latest build. It's simple, compact, and has USB 3.0 ports. It does take a little longer to set up due to a smaller space to work with, so you will need zip ties for your PSU wires. Comes with front and rear case fans already. Totally worth it for a little bit more work. Fractal Design Core 3000 FD-CA-CORE-3000-USB3-BL Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Hopefully this helps. Feel free to ask me if you need assistance with your build. You seem like you know what you are doing already but it is nice to get different opinions too. Best of luck
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Cheezymold]
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>>>>>I would STRONGLY suggest spending a little more money and getting a 7200 RPM HDD. 5400 is only useful for storage, and will slow your system to a crawl no matter how fast your processor is. Again, I cannot stress how important the hard drive speed is.
That's good thinking.
And to OP, I'd really upgrade the DVD drive to a blueray burner or at least a dual layer DVD. Burning a a 4 gig data DVD seems like a lot but its really not anymore if you're like me and backup a lot of data and pictures and stuff you don't want to lose. And you may end up wanting to use your PC as your main entertainment unit as well, and in that case the Blueray drive will be really nice to have too. I'd also add a multicard reader/writer too. Most liekly you have SD cards for your phone or camera and you'll need to interface or dump that data onto your PC from time to time. Its really hard for me to imagine a PC without a card reader, I don't use mine a lot but my camera would be worthless to me without it and they're not much money, like $25 for a great one.
You're really going for the higher end of the sweet spot of price/performance. In two years and those $200 intel chips are $80 your PC will still be kicking ass though.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#19168579 - 11/21/13 03:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Im gonna stick to the full sized mobo and plan on doing upgrading in the future.
And thanks for catching that slow HD I chose out, don't know what I was thinking. Upgraded it to the 7200 for the same price, but only get 1TB. Ohe well.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Ellis Dee]
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That's good thinking.
And to OP, I'd really upgrade the DVD drive to a blueray burner or at least a dual layer DVD. Burning a a 4 gig data DVD seems like a lot but its really not anymore if you're like me and backup a lot of data and pictures and stuff you don't want to lose. And you may end up wanting to use your PC as your main entertainment unit as well, and in that case the Blueray drive will be really nice to have too. I'd also add a multicard reader/writer too. Most liekly you have SD cards for your phone or camera and you'll need to interface or dump that data onto your PC from time to time. Its really hard for me to imagine a PC without a card reader, I don't use mine a lot but my camera would be worthless to me without it and they're not much money, like $25 for a great one.
You're really going for the higher end of the sweet spot of price/performance. In two years and those $200 intel chips are $80 your PC will still be kicking ass though.
I haven't had the need to burn dual layer DVDs for the past 6+ years and don't think it'll be happening anytime soon.
And I just swapped out HDs.
Also, I've got USB card readers my SD/mini SD, not to mention the USB connector to each device that allows me get into em that way.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19168755 - 11/21/13 06:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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My only thought is to spend less money on the case. I mean the obsidian line is nice, I have a Corsair 650d myself, but at $130 if you went with
$70 Corsair Carbide Series 300R Black Steel / Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811139011
That's $50 to put into a much nicer gpu like a 650 ti boost or a radeon 7850 or a nicer PSU.
Oh and definitely get the 7200rpm drive, do not get anything energy efficient like a western digital blue or a green drive etc. This is going to be your boot drive, and since it's not an SSD, you want it fast. Western digital black would be a good pick...
Otherwise things are looking pretty decent, not a huge fan of the monitor, those Asus have a heavy antiglare coating that's pretty waxy and the stand is a bit flimsy on the Asus, dunno why so many people order them... would recommend the dell ultrasharp u231hm.. 23" ips display with popping colors and great view angles for like $199....
edit* I also disagree with the other guy, while the cx500 will be fine for your 650ti, it would already be pushing the upper limits for say a 650ti boost... there is no way in hell i'd drop a gtx 770 in the machine w/ it.... the corsair 650tx is a rebranded seasonic psu (good thing) that has lots of future upgrade possibility and is something you could use for builds to come for the next decade... A PSU is lifeblood of your computer, getting a decent one with some nice headroom for any changes you might want to make in future is a good idea... also increases resale value enormously, say I was looking at your build on craigslist, I'd skip right over it w/ a cx500, but would take a serious look with a tx650.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19170712 - 11/21/13 03:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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with your setup, it looks like you dont really need anything higher than a
FX-6300, probably in my opinion the best of the FX series so far. It wont bottleneck your GPU, infact you can upgrade the GPU, and I think that 500W is just not enough. Wierd things happen when your computer doesnt have enough power, like throttling, and BSOD's. Look into a 750W PSU at least.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19170811 - 11/21/13 03:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's not true, the cx500 is fine for the parts he picked.. I'd just recommend the tx650 because it would be suited to run any SINGLE graphics card of his choice, including a gtx 680 etc... there'd be more headroom for future upgrades... But it's mostly a matter of getting all around reliable, quality PSU which Corsair's rebranded Seasonics are... Corsair rebrands several different manufacturer's PSUs... The TX & AX lines are high quality. You don't need to move into the 750w+ territory unless you plan on running an SLI setup, and for say two titans you'd at least want an AX860... For his needs, I recommend the TX because I know as a fact it's highly reliable. There are a lot of high wattage shitty PSUs out there, and with PSUs you pretty much always get what you pay for...if the price doesn't match say 650w = $90+, 750w = $110+, 850w = $130+ something likely sketchy about it....
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19170863 - 11/21/13 04:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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i really dont know much about PSU's, just went to my local computer builder, and he said $70 for an ATX 800W PSU and I went with it.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19171370 - 11/21/13 05:29 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't aware that you planned to do future upgrades with this PC. I would get a higher wattage PSU just in case then. Most single GPU video cards use no more than about 250w, but when you throw in an SLI setup, or a dual GPU card, you will want some headroom.
The reason I stopped using a full size board is because I used to always "plan" to do upgrades, but never do. The hardware changes too quickly, so I usually just build a whole new rig.
You look like you are going to have a pretty solid setup going. If you really plan to do the upgrades in the future though, you might be better off saving a little more money and buying everything you want at the same time.
Either way, you should have fun building it and seeing your finished product in action.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Cheezymold]
#19171534 - 11/21/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah, the first thing I'm giong to upgrade will be the motherboard, and right now I cant see any CPU's that are worth upgrading my 6100, i got a nice 800Mhz OC on it.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19171645 - 11/21/13 06:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Is everyone looking at the most updated list?? This one right here...
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Motherboard/RAM COMBO MSI Z87-G43 LGA 1150 Intel Z87 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX High Performance CF Gaming Intel Motherboard Item #: N82E16813130694 G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) Desktop Memory Model F3-14900CL9D-8GBXL Item #: N82E16820231455 $171.48
CPU/power COMBO Intel Core i5-4670K Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 84W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646I54670K Item #: N82E16819116899 CORSAIR TX Series CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Compatible ... Item #: N82E16817139005 $316.98 (+$10 rebate)
Video EVGA 01G-P4-3650-KR GeForce GTX 650 Ti 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 HDCP Ready Video Card Item #: N82E16814130838 $129.99 (+$20 rebate)
HD Western Digital WD Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive Bare Drive Item #: N82E16822136533 $89.99
Disk ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM Item #: N82E16827135204 $16.99
Case Corsair Obsidian Series 550D Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case Item #: N82E16811139012 $129.99
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ASUS VS248H-P Black 24" HDMI LED Backlight Widescreen LCD Monitor Item #: N82E16824236153 $179.99 (+$20 rebate)
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Case fans Cooler Master Sleeve Bearing 120mm Silent Fan for Computer Cases, CPU Coolers, and Radiators (Value 4-Pack) Item #: N82E16835103052 $13.99
HDMI to mini Nippon Labs Premium 6 ft. HDMI to mini HDMI cable with metal hood & gold-plated connectors Model MHDMI-6 Item #: N82E16812816074 $9.99
Webcam Refurbished: Logitech C510 USB 2.0 HD WebCam Item #: N82E16826104708 $24.99
Refurbished: Logitech F310 Gamepad with broad game support and customizable buttons Item #: N82E16826104629 $12.99
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Grand Total: $1097.37 (+$70 rebates)
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19171666 - 11/21/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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And sorry CJ, but I love the case I chose out more than anything else on the list! The extra $40 or whatever more it's going for is worth it.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19172479 - 11/21/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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heard, i got the corsair obsidian 650d and only paid $130 for it.... i don't know how quickly you plan to buy all this, but if you use slickdeals and have it email you whenever something is posted on corsair obsidian, they go on sale about once a month
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19172903 - 11/21/13 10:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I like the case you picked out, good for putting side case fans for cooling the mobo, nice and spacious. I have a 250mm on the side. You should experiment with fan placement, meaning intake/exhaust, you'll want more intake, and exhaust at the top. I like to run the back fan in so it hits the cpu and VRM's better.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19176492 - 11/22/13 08:49 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: heard, i got the corsair obsidian 650d and only paid $130 for it.... i don't know how quickly you plan to buy all this, but if you use slickdeals and have it email you whenever something is posted on corsair obsidian, they go on sale about once a month
Nice. Well, I just placed my order for the parts in my latest list. Ended up going with the obsidian 550D as planned. It may not be as fancy as your beast 650D, but I am saving $50 right now.
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Galvie_Flu said: I like the case you picked out, good for putting side case fans for cooling the mobo, nice and spacious. I have a 250mm on the side. You should experiment with fan placement, meaning intake/exhaust, you'll want more intake, and exhaust at the top. I like to run the back fan in so it hits the cpu and VRM's better.
Good stuff, but I'm gonna put fan experimentation on hold. I didn't realize this case came with 3 fans, 1 rear, 2 front, so I took the extra fans off my list.
However, I am getting a $10 newegg gift card with my purchase, so I might just turn around and buy a few extras once I see how everything handles.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19176496 - 11/22/13 08:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Order has been placed. Will be posting pics around this time next week, hopefully.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
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Grats for not going with Alienware and thanks for supporting my paycheck Should have gotten a 660 or above though.. would have gotten like 6 free games You missed this one - http://www.evga.com/articles/00793/
But I think you still get like 3 others
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
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Thanks. I really felt bad about even thinking about buying an alienware. Glad I didn't, and I guess, you're welcome. EVGA?
The 660 was just out of budget for me, and I didn't consider even playing those games. The 650 ti was the best deal I could find at the time, with the 660 being the next card up also had a larger price gap than wanted. 
Don't know if you read through everything, but I'm not a too hardcore of a gamer, so I'm sure the 650 ti should be enough.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19187367 - 11/25/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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the 650ti boost though would actually have been a pretty huge upgrade for another $30.... dunno, the graphics card labeling scheme is pretty retarded, as it sounds like it wouldn't be
but it sounds like you'll be pretty happy... when you have cash to dump in the rig the next thing you'll want is an SSD... in terms of every day use, nothing makes your computer feel faster.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19188022 - 11/25/13 05:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think the next thing he'll want is a cpu cooler. I may be wrong, since I dont know what the max temp for Intel's are. I would have bought one (if I knew intels run hot) , because the MOBO must come out installing most coolers.
Seems like someone is going to assemble this system for you, am I correct? Because I see no software.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19188043 - 11/25/13 05:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I could have gone with the boost, but just had to draw the line somewhere. And I actually ended up getting my 650 ti for just under $110 after rebate. So the gap, for me at the time of purchase, between the ti and ti boost was somewhere between $45-50.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19188101 - 11/25/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Look at that bad boy.
I need a cooler if I want to play any FPS games cuz I was maxing at 65C playing PAYDAY 2, 3C above recommended temp.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19197580 - 11/27/13 06:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Got everything but the case today.
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Fuck it.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19203072 - 11/28/13 11:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Haha fucken nice.
Definitely get an SSD next. Prices have been steadily dropping. I'd recommend 120GB at minimum for your OS/few games or whatever. 240GB is getting cheaper though and would be good. As for brand.. Intel or Samsung or Corsair
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19206598 - 11/29/13 09:42 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Milk crates make a great case for about $6. It also has plenty of air-flow. ^.^

This guy has 4 video card to mine LTC, but it would still work.

I'm probably going to set up an LTC miner in a crate with something similar, but plan on spending around 1k on the GPU's alone.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: teknix]
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I've been thinking about doing the same myself. Shame that Nvidia GPUs suck at mining. Oh well, can't have it all.
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Doesn't seem too lucrative if miners are using milk crates as cases.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19206763 - 11/29/13 10:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shit, most mining systems I've seen don't even use cases at all. They have them sitting on a rack or something.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
#19206772 - 11/29/13 10:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I've been thinking about doing the same myself. Shame that Nvidia GPUs suck at mining. Oh well, can't have it all.
Yah, Honestly I figured they were the best in all regards until doing a bit of research.

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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19206784 - 11/29/13 10:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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pyrate999 said: Doesn't seem too lucrative if miners are using milk crates as cases. 
It increases the air-flow to the GPU's, especially if you have a regular fan blowing on it, you cant blow a regular fan inside of a case.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19206793 - 11/29/13 10:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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A bitcoin block is basically the same thing as the decryptor/encryptor program I wrote, but more advanced, it just moves the characters around at certain intervals, and you have to find the intervals by brute force, or trying them all until you find one that works.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19214978 - 12/01/13 10:13 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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pyrate999 said: It's getting to be about that time where I need a new computer. My current laptop is over 4 years old now and can't handle everything I want it to. I just need something more up to date for around $600-700, just on the tower, no periphs. Nothing too powerful, I won't be playing the high end games.
The last time I built an full computer from parts must have been 6 years ago, so I'm a bit rusty. I don't know which brands are best to go with, but I still know how to find parts that match and can compare specs.
On the other hand, I found a pre-built alienware machine for $700 (tower only) that will be going on sale for $600 around black friday. After reading some reviews and watching youtube videos, it seems to be what I need and I don't mind the mini case.
Alienware X51: DPCWXY01H (the basic unit for $699)

CPU: i3-4130 Processor (3MB Cache, 3.40 GHz)
RAM: 6GB (1x2GB+1x4GB) DDR3L 1600Mh Non-ECC
HDD: 1TB SATA 6Gb/s (7,200RPM) 64MB Cache
Video: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 645 with 1GB GDDR5
Now what I need to do is build a computer that has similar or better specs than this alienware. I tried a few days ago on newegg, but had trouble finding the matching parts and kept coming out a few hundred over budget.
Any help is appreciated, even if it's just recommending a motherboard.
Man in my personal opinion I would see if the cpu you want to use will work with the socket you have. but more importantly your gpu and memory matter most a gpu has 10 or more cores a cpu may have 8 and your memory may be 4 gigs but the gpu picks up the slack. If you get my meaning. Your MoBo is only limited by the bios and that can be hacked to take more memory and gpu so 350 to 400 watts in a case should work fine. Your processor actually means very little at the end of the day.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19214984 - 12/01/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It's built. 
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pyrate999 said: Fuck it.

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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19234962 - 12/06/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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And you're just using the onboard GPU 
Where's dat case
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
#19235742 - 12/06/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Worse troll ever.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
#19237631 - 12/06/13 05:36 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Shroomism said: And you're just using the onboard GPU 
Where's dat case
I should probably clear that up, haven't really brought this thread to closure yet. 
So, my "table case" setup was used due to the actual case coming in the following day. I just wanted to get windows up and running with all the drivers and a set of my favorite must have programs, so I could quickly throw it all together the next day and have it up and running asap.
Gonna shut down to get some pics for yall.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19237673 - 12/06/13 05:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19238277 - 12/06/13 08:20 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Get an 8 pin extension cable and route that 8pin through the back too
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Shroomism]
#19238308 - 12/06/13 08:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Man, as far as I'm concerned, its routed. It stays there along the side, along the fan.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19238332 - 12/06/13 08:35 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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It should route through the back side panel as it is, if it's not long enough it's because you have the power supply upside down, when it should be drawing air through the bottom of the case and ejecting it out the back.... It looks much cleaner and cable clutter increases your temps slightly.... also you have zip ties to use on the side of the case behind the motherboard, if you notice those little hoops, you can manage your cables on the other side much better, making them more flush with the case, which makes it easier to take on and off the side panel.
Anyways, grats on the build...
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19238351 - 12/06/13 08:39 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Thanks, CJ. Couldn't have been this successful without yall.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19238378 - 12/06/13 08:47 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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yah np, one other thing you might want if you have the option (not sure if the 550d has it, but my 650d does -There are mounting holes for the hdd cage over to the left closer to the PSU... you might be able to have dual intake fans, it looks like another 12mm would fit in there on the 550d. (not my pic)

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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19238403 - 12/06/13 08:52 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Yeah, this case has the dual fans. They came preinstalled into the case behind the 2 HD cages. You can kind of see the bottom one next to the case with all those wires. I already removed the upper one. Could I do something with the 1 HD if I remove that last bottom cage?
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19238442 - 12/06/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Oh nice, I do see it from the back pic. As in the pic I showed, you can probably move the bay closer to PSU for more airflow, but if you just want rid of it get yourself a 3.5" mounting bracket universal adapteor for 5.25" drive bay and put it up with the DVD drive.. They're real cheap, am sure you can get one off amazon for a few bucks.
Also you can get one of these things that takes a three 5.25" bays and can mount several hdds and has an additional fan. They are pretty nice. Some of the models even can put a couple SSDs on each side

Though actually taking a closer look at the 550D it looks like it has a solid closing front panel on it with some noise reduction foam, my 650d's front panel is different, there is no door, it is has a mesh panel in front of the hdd cage etc... Not sure how effective your fans are to begin with really, may not make any real difference.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19238747 - 12/06/13 10:18 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19290836 - 12/17/13 10:15 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My rooms gettin a little chilly. I should probably overclock.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19291089 - 12/17/13 11:28 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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now is the time to play your favorite game with overclocking.
I just installed a 40mm fan screwed into the NB HS, this is super loud
http://store.polkaduck.com/Dynatron-Top-Motor-DF124020BH-40mm-x-20mm-9000-RPM-12V-0.25A-Cooling-Fan-3pin-DF124020BA.html
Sensors indicate 9926 as max RPM
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19291097 - 12/17/13 11:32 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19291513 - 12/18/13 01:52 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Well, I think I've got some bad news. My i5 4670k is a below average overclocker.
I still need to do some serious stress testing before it's official, but so far, I OCed from 3.4GHz to 4.3GHz, a 26% increase. After messing around with a few different settings, I managed to find a stable clock using a core multiplier of 43x the default 100MHz base speed, and setting the core voltage to a static 1.250V.
No other settings have been adjusted just yet. I want to figure out this cpu cache ratio. From what I've gathered, it's recommended to have it 1:1 with the cpu clock speed. Right now the cache ratio is set to 38x. What I think needs to be done is raise the 38x to match the cpu core multiplier set at 43x. Is this correct? Also, because my cpu seems to be a below average OCer, it might be a good idea to keep the cpu cache ratio a few hundre MHz under my core clock, so somewhere around 41-42x...
Anything else I should know?
Oh, and my core temps have not even passed 65C.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19291528 - 12/18/13 01:58 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Crud. Just BSoD'ed. 
Dropped core clock to 42x.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19291537 - 12/18/13 02:02 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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My guess is your vcore is too low, try 1.260....
Then again, here's somebody else's settings w/ same MSI board and 4670k
1.Set Core Ratio to "Dynamic" Mode 2.Set Both Core and Cache (Ring) Voltage Modes to "Adaptive" 3.Core Multiplier:43x 4.Core Voltage:1.18V 5.Processor Cache (Ring) Ratio:42x 6.Processor Cache (Ring) Voltage:1.155V
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19291690 - 12/18/13 03:17 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Holy Grail Batman, the little beast just hit 10074 RPM.
Take that....heat
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19291709 - 12/18/13 03:28 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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How much sound is it making?
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: CosmicJoke]
#19291714 - 12/18/13 03:30 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: My guess is your vcore is too low, try 1.260....
Then again, here's somebody else's settings w/ same MSI board and 4670k
1.Set Core Ratio to "Dynamic" Mode 2.Set Both Core and Cache (Ring) Voltage Modes to "Adaptive" 3.Core Multiplier:43x 4.Core Voltage:1.18V 5.Processor Cache (Ring) Ratio:42x 6.Processor Cache (Ring) Voltage:1.155V
Hmmm... well I set the core voltage to 1.260V and that seems to working. I'm gonna give those setting a try as well.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19291720 - 12/18/13 03:35 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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noisy but tolerable with headphones
dude, I think your CPU has reached its max, intels are hella better than AMD, but sounds more complicated (am i in the right thread?). Anyway you said you hit 4, so did I after getting BSOD'd and stuff saying basically core failed. Easy way for me to see if i'm gaining performance boost is to run a simple Windowz Experience Rating, 3.8-4.2 still produced 7.4 CPU rating
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: Galvie_Flu]
#19291772 - 12/18/13 04:04 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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Galvie_Flu said: Windowz Experience Rating
Don't use that.
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19291807 - 12/18/13 04:19 AM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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PCmark8? that takes fooooooooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeevvvvvvvvvvvvvvveeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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Re: Need advice on building a PC (~$600) [Re: The Phleg]
#19293632 - 12/18/13 02:38 PM (10 years, 1 month ago) |
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CosmicJoke said: My guess is your vcore is too low, try 1.260....
Then again, here's somebody else's settings w/ same MSI board and 4670k
1.Set Core Ratio to "Dynamic" Mode 2.Set Both Core and Cache (Ring) Voltage Modes to "Adaptive" 3.Core Multiplier:43x 4.Core Voltage:1.18V 5.Processor Cache (Ring) Ratio:42x 6.Processor Cache (Ring) Voltage:1.155V
Hmmm... well I set the core voltage to 1.260V and that seems to working. I'm gonna give those setting a try as well.
Successfully ran a 6 hour stress test last night: 4.3GHz, 43x core multiplier, 1.260V for core voltage.
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