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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19161479 - 11/19/13 07:29 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.





Neither did all the shit in the 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, and 1800s and back in Roman times etc but I'm sure it will in five more years. :monkeydance:



lol its pretty clear you have a very naive understanding of what the definition of a singularity is and I also specifically said in OP that most ideas about singularity were based in fantasy wishful thinking. ..the idea behind singular type of change were based off a paper published expressing the possibility and eventual certainty that the culmination of our technilogical innovation will lead to change so rapid that it will dramatically effect the way we go about our daily lives.

it isn't hard to see that the development of technology has been accelarating and that technology and increased knowledge have already dramatically effected the way we go about our daily lives in a rather short amount of time.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19161518 - 11/19/13 07:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If there are words with definitions that are ambiguous then perhaps it would be for the best if instead you were to talk about the concept in place of using the word. Thanks...:thumbup:


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Re: The Singularity [Re: hTx]
    #19161572 - 11/19/13 07:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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like humans were just going to automatically be changed by a date.

No.

The singularity is happening and has been. These things take time, as all change is time, but the amount of change occurring in the next five years will be so tremendous that it will match the definition of a true singularity.





Of course.  2012 didn't quite work out, but it'll be in the next 5 years, for sure.





Neither did all the shit in the 70s, 60s, 80s, 90s, and 1800s and back in Roman times etc but I'm sure it will in five more years. :monkeydance:



lol its pretty clear you have a very naive understanding of what the definition of a singularity is and I also specifically said in OP that most ideas about singularity were based in fantasy wishful thinking. ..the idea behind singular type of change were based off a paper published expressing the possibility and eventual certainty that the culmination of our technilogical innovation will lead to change so rapid that it will dramatically effect the way we go about our daily lives.

it isn't hard to see that the development of technology has been accelarating and that technology and increased knowledge have already dramatically effected the way we go about our daily lives in a rather short amount of time.




Another fantasy definition from your imaginary dictionary?:lol:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singularity


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Cactilove]
    #19161602 - 11/19/13 07:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Are you speaking of a super human AI or technology in general? The AI singularity is still a theory though technological progress can certainly be charted in a nice exponential curve, but it's possible it could top out without any game changers.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Rahz]
    #19161717 - 11/19/13 08:11 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I have been talking about AI.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: robbyberto]
    #19163308 - 11/20/13 01:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I always thought of "The" singularity as being technological in nature, not really new age.  I was a fervent convert back in the early 2000's when I first found Ray Kurtzweil's writings but as I get older I feel more and more doubtful that it will happen. 

Ultimately it just seems too good to be true.  There's something about the idea of a transhuman utopia that implies a basic goodness or justice in the universe that I honestly just don't see.  Even if we did end up mastering physical existence and creating superhuman intelligence I know there would be some awful dark side, like only the super rich and powerful would be allowed to participate.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Mr Person]
    #19163346 - 11/20/13 02:04 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well said.:thumbup: This is my issue with all the hopeful youth expecting utopia to spring energetically from the soil of our current reality. It's totally unrealistic.  Of course it HAS to be projected into the future because there is nothing resembling it now. And while the future might hold a better star trek like world for humanity (still needing a bad guy to have an interesting show) that future is nowhere near any corner we are going to turn in some serious amount of generations.  What is most likely by far imo is the destruction of our environment to the point that we start behaving fully like the cavemen we basically are.

I think if any of these hopefuls had to spend a year in the middle east they'd drop all this nonsense.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19163378 - 11/20/13 02:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Sadly I agree that destruction is the most likely outcome.  The only hope is that a singularity with superhuman AI would include a complete understanding of the human brain.  That coupled with a singularity level knowledge of genetics and the ability to use nanotechnology in the human body would potentially allow us to manually edit out our baser natures in a very short amount of time, possibly even as short as one generation. 

That would require a massive undertaking of human effort though, and seems extremely unlikely to happen if it's not something that is universally accepted as being necessary for the survival of the species.  Of course if such a thing were successful you then run into issues of free will and a whole slew of even more awful dark sides.  It's a short and very slippery slope from defanging human nature to absolute subservience, and then you end up with something like the Star Trek's Borg or Brave New World.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Mr Person]
    #19163681 - 11/20/13 06:17 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Something like this was the conclusion of Arthur Koestler in his book "The Ghost in the Machine" .  This was before AI was really on the radar and he believed it might be possible to come up with a pharmaceutical that might achieve that end.  Otherwise he believed the jig was up for humanity. He wasn't holding out much hope.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: Icelander]
    #19164362 - 11/20/13 10:27 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: The Singularity [Re: eve69]
    #19164801 - 11/20/13 11:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

That bore out the theory which is awesome, but the practical, technological hurdles to harnessing the power are still immense.


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Re: The Singularity [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #19165513 - 11/20/13 01:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

all they have too do with fusion is make more money back than losing


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