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Adustus
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The Ultimate Question!
#19161096 - 11/19/13 06:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So my roommate decided hes going to give me a mass fund for my mushroom cultivation in the beginning of December.
Now even though I still probably wont have spores until I can get around the holiday and buy some for new years or something.
I'd like to use his funding for my tek lab as Id call it. I know I need a pressure cooker. Ebay seems to cover that well.
Aside from that and cutting tools I've never went and bought my own set. Ive always used whats available atm. So knowing I have time to decide on what to buy. And have time to get recommendations to make a sound decision. Id like people to give me what they deem as essentials to any at home mycologist.
I got my blades. Torch. And pressure cooker. ANd I know I need canning jars. Now, knowing that I intend on growing many different kinds of mushroom I need to be able to cover all the basics. So I think it was 3 types of mushrooms? (correct me if im wrong) Its like the Primary decomposers that eat wood like reishi. There was grassland ones like the puffballs and horse mushroom. Then there's like dung and litter like buttons and cubes.
So. If I'm trying to ake sure I can always be most likely prepared for any medicinal or edible strain. What do I need to get to have a full basic setup? Im talking agar and everything.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19161141 - 11/19/13 06:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: OgreLokon]
#19161213 - 11/19/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Find a tek for which mushroom you are going to grow, then get everything that the tek uses.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: OgreLokon]
#19161304 - 11/19/13 07:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Well said !
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Well, actually, what he reiterated.
Here are some good places to start:
TbagTag's Grow Along
How Frank gets shit done.
Start here and work your budget. Nothing here except, potentially, the pressure cooker is pricey.
Edited by Dark76 (11/19/13 08:03 PM)
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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Completely disagree!!!!!
If this person is looking to grow for the thrill and excitement of the experience, why sell him or her short? If you just want to trip balls of some mushrooms, go huff some gasoline or run into on coming traffic.
To the OP.
If you want to start this hobby, it can be a rewarding and exciting one.
Cubes Two common types of teks. PF-Cakes and Bulk Mono tubs. I think both are equally rewarding. I think that you will always get larger fruits and flushes from the mono tub teks. A personal rule of thumb, "Bigger Mushrooms, does not always mean more potent." You need just as much crap for each tek so do a little research and figure out which way you want to go. I personally Love Agar plates, not for the utility, but because of the science and results you can get with them.
Wood Lovers/Straw
There is a lot more info out there, but I think the basics are straw, and or wood pellets. I prefer to use bags to pasteurize my straw, but there are a lot of teks out there that work without needing grow bags.
For the most part, I recommend these things.
- 23+ Qrt Pressure Cooker
- Qrt jars for Grain2Grain
- Wide mouth half pint jars for PF tek
- Some totes for bulk or SGFC's
- Coir bricks
- Vermiculite
- Perlite
- BRF
- RGS/WBS
[*}RR's videos (most helpful thing out there, worth the 10 bucks.)
Can someone link to RR's Vids?
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Sockadin]
#19162357 - 11/19/13 09:40 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you just want to trip balls of some mushrooms, go huff some gasoline or run into on coming traffic.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19162478 - 11/19/13 10:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Adustus said:Id like people to give me what they deem as essentials to any at home mycologist.
I got my blades. Torch. And pressure cooker. ANd I know I need canning jars. Now, knowing that I intend on growing many different kinds of mushroom I need to be able to cover all the basics. So I think it was 3 types of mushrooms? (correct me if im wrong) Its like the Primary decomposers that eat wood like reishi. There was grassland ones like the puffballs and horse mushroom. Then there's like dung and litter like buttons and cubes.
So. If I'm trying to ake sure I can always be most likely prepared for any medicinal or edible strain. What do I need to get to have a full basic setup? Im talking agar and everything.
There are more than three kinds of mushrooms, for sure. Cordyceps eats living bugs and gyrodon merulioides drinks aphid shit. There are woodland mycorrhizals like most boletes and truffles, plant parasite/saprophytes like hericium coralloides and I don't feel like thinking about sorting mushrooms based on what they eat any more.
We can't set you up with info on how to grow any medicinal or edible strain--people have only figured out how to grow a very small fraction of them, which nevertheless should be enough to keep you entertained for quite a while. Here is what you'll need to get started:
You'll want a dehydrator if you're successful, and also probably if you're not. They're super handy for all sorts of stuff which doesn't occur to you until you have one. You'll want a big, big bag of wild bird seed or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain for use as spawn, and that's pretty much standard for all species of fungus. For petris pick up some of those tiny Glad containers that anorexic girls use to put six grapes in for lunch (you'll know 'em when you see 'em), agar agar, potato flakes and clear Karo. A drug scale is useful but not 100% necessary for making agar plates. You need at least one large Sterilite container to use for a still air box, and maybe another if you plan on doing a monotub full of cubes or reishi.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
#19162496 - 11/19/13 10:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
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LiquidGlass said: Popcorn works just fine ok if you can't find anything else.
Popcorn is loaded with endospores, is starchy as hell, and has so little nock points that anything lower than a 1:1.5 spawn ratio becomes a major exercise in patience. I have also used popcorn for cubes and oysters, but after trying WBS, wheat, and rye, I can tell you that I would rather spawn brf cakes to bulk before I went back to popcorn. It does smell nice tho and I like how the color changes as it colonizes. That's about it.
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
Popcorn is great if you don't care about inoculation points and colonization times, nutrients per jar, varied substrates, moisture retention or really anything else beneficial to growth of the organism.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
#19162701 - 11/19/13 10:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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or other (non-popcorn) whole, unprocessed grain
Ignore that. Popcorn works just fine. I have used it for cubes and oysters as well as panaeolus. Popcorn is definitely my favorite grain to use
Popcorn is great if you don't care about inoculation points and colonization times, nutrients per jar, varied substrates, moisture retention or really anything else beneficial to growth of the organism.

Yeah you should listen to them. Popcorn fucking sucks. Fuck popcorn.
If you use popcorn spawned to nothing but verm/coir and a bit of gypsum, then you could get terrible flushes like this

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Those look excellent! But popcorn still sux, sorry man. I know that people can make it work, and that's great. I know Hippy Chick got excellent results with popcorn as well. But I would never advocate it as a great spawn choice, when there are so many other better choices. Too many people have had problems with it to do so. Its like LC in a way, you can get good results with it, but its not exactly noob friendly. I would also hazard a guess that there were other factors at play, and the results you have there were not dependent on spawn choice. You would probably have seen just as good of results with WBS or rye, but without the potential contam issues and lower spawn ratios. Just my opinion.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Pastywhyte]
#19162799 - 11/19/13 11:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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You are entitled to your opinion, but I have tried many other grains and IME popcorn performs the best.
And that is just my opinion, but to say it sucks is just ignorant. It is not any harder to prepare as any other grain as long as you follow teks closely. I have been doing this for a long time without any contam issues even without a 24 hour soak. For me popcorn is way easier to get the moisture content right then any other grain. People can bash popcorn all day but after trying other grains I will probably stick to popcorn for good
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Hey that's fair. I'm sure that there are also many people who feel the same way about LC. But the vast majority find it problematic. When giving a new person advice, most people tend to lean towards things that are more user friendly for the majority of people. Same reason why pf tek is also recommended for beginners. Do we realistically think that is how they will grow forever? Of course not, but it's the best way for most people to get started.
IMO everyone should try many different spawns at least once. But I would not recommend popcorn for the first attempt. Took me a long time to get popcorn right, WBS, rye and wheat were far more forgiving. I know that a lot of people have had the same experience with it that I did
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Adustus
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AllGreyThumbs said: Damn it, anymore I just stop by to check the news, but I end up logging in in order to tell new folks to skip PF tek and all just go straight to monotubs. Don't buy a bunch of stuff like agar and sterilization supplies either, until you've done a few grows and really understand what you want to do with the hobby.
You can pick up a single syringe for around $25 delivered. You can buy 2 x 2lb pre sterilized spawn bags for $20 plus shipping $3.50 for a coir brick, less than $10 for some vermiculite, less than $5 for a little gypsum as well. Go buy a $10 15 or so gallon tub and you'll be ready to go for well under $100, or 2 for like $150 since you can save some shipping costs.
Be clean, wipe your injection points with alcohol, but don't screw around. Inject, inject, done. Clean, still, but open air work is fine if you work fast. Simplicity and quick work go a long way toward preventing any issues, where as messing around with all sorts of complicated procedures can contribute to problems if you don't know exactly what you are doing.
Tubs are easy, simple, cheap, and produce lots of shrooms. Search for Damion5050 tek, or don't and go ahead and make a huge, complicated project out of PF tek. Buy a bunch of shit you may decide you don't even want, or keep it simple and just grow some damn shrooms and then decide what you like and how serious you want to get about it.
Yeah I was thinking tubs and jars and the ol' pressure cooker. And i could use my glovebox I made I was gonna see about doing perlite. Does anyone know if its better with holes drilled vs waving it out when using perlite?
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19163091 - 11/20/13 12:37 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Holes drilled every 2 inches in a grid on all 6 sides (this includes the bottom!) is the only way that perlite functions properly.
The air flowing from the bottom through the wet perlite evaporates the water and creates your humidity.
so if you dont have the holes there is no reason to have the perlite
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Adustus
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Rubestoad]
#19163137 - 11/20/13 12:49 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Rubestoad said: Holes drilled every 2 inches in a grid on all 6 sides (this includes the bottom!) is the only way that perlite functions properly.
The air flowing from the bottom through the wet perlite evaporates the water and creates your humidity.
so if you dont have the holes there is no reason to have the perlite
Wonderful then I am spot on so far. All I need to do is figure out my species.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19163312 - 11/20/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I am completely, actually overly, satisfied I did not start my cultivation method with monotubs. I didn't start it with PF Tek either but I did use a SGFC with whole brown rice. I eventually did try PF Tek though. But before this forum I was at the library reading books from the 70's about mushrooms and fungus. Although I get much more yield from a monotub and find it easier to maintain (set and forget easy actually), I am so glad I experienced the dunking, rolling, fanning, misting, and creation of the SGFC. It really puts you more in tune with the natural growth cycle of mushrooms. They colonize... then the rainy season comes and drenches them in water... and in the dew laden morning pins emerge from the earth... and when the wind comes mushrooms spring forth. What a beautiful thing to recreate in a box in your closet.
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Adustus
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The Alaskan Dude said: I am completely, actually overly, satisfied I did not start my cultivation method with monotubs. I didn't start it with PF Tek either but I did use a SGFC with whole brown rice. I eventually did try PF Tek though. But before this forum I was at the library reading books from the 70's about mushrooms and fungus. Although I get much more yield from a monotub and find it easier to maintain (set and forget easy actually), I am so glad I experienced the dunking, rolling, fanning, misting, and creation of the SGFC. It really puts you more in tune with the natural growth cycle of mushrooms. They colonize... then the rainy season comes and drenches them in water... and in the dew laden morning pins emerge from the earth... and when the wind comes mushrooms spring forth. What a beautiful thing to recreate in a box in your closet.
That was a trip just reading that.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
#19163454 - 11/20/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I hope it was a good trip! Lol.
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Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all!
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
#19163529 - 11/20/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kheto said: Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! 
There is a lot of reading you should do before starting
This is a good start
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163
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This is awesome, thank you! One more question; So during colonization I want as little oxygen as possible so I should be keeping the tub closed as much as possible during then until its time to fruit? What about contams? I'm not supposed to be doing any spraying with peroxide or lysol or anything?
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
#19163640 - 11/20/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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So during colonization I want as little oxygen as possible so I should be keeping the tub closed as much as possible during then until its time to fruit?
Yes
If you did everything right and have clean spawn you do not need to worry about contams when colonizing/fruiting a tub
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high temp silicone and poly fill, premade lids with self healing injection ports and filters or something along those lines for spawn jars.
I started with 12 x 1 qt mason jars with lids and bands big bag of random wild bird seed bag of commercial compost bag of commercial cow poo brick of compressed coir bag of vermiculite tube of silicone bag of polyfil 12 x small glass jelly jars 2 x boxes of agar from asian market 1 box of potato flakes 1 small bottle of honey 1 small bottle of Karo Pressure cooker meat thermometer for pasteurization digital temp/humidity guage to check tub and a list of book marked teks I was gonna follow.
I have all the teks I chose in the first post of my grow log linked in my sig. I got a small flush the first go waiting kn second. 1 of three spawn jars contaminated. 6 qt rubbermaid tote thing is fully colonized and knoting up. On edible side I lost 2 of three jars to contam but 2 of 2 homemade agar jars are clean. Read- read- read. Search function your ass off and copy the lists given in the teks you are going to follow. And follow the tek Each time I tried being innovative or something I ended up posting a "PLEASE HELP" type post inmy thread.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
#19177694 - 11/23/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kheto said: Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! 
Make a new thread in the Mushroom Cultivation forum and we can straighten this confusion out for you. Itemize your thoughts with bullets please.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Sockadin]
#19189746 - 11/25/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kheto said: Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! 
Make a new thread in the Mushroom Cultivation forum and we can straighten this confusion out for you. Itemize your thoughts with bullets please.
It's all good man some of the vets on here helped me out with figuring out a good set up. Thanks either way man.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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I think he was responding to Khetos similar request.
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After growing for about a year and a half I just started to get into the agar work, and honestly, I wish I had taken it up a long time ago. Alot of people start with the PF tek, which is outdated IMO. I would highly advise skipping it and learn how to grow big from the start. Just my 2¢ though...
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• 23 quart presto PC • 36 quart sized mason jars • 10 pack of SFD (mycotopia.com) • Tube of red RTV silicone (autozone) • 3 bricks of eco earth coir • Bag of horticultural vermiculite • 40lbs of WBS • Food dehydrator ($20 at walmart) • 5 gallon bucket • 5 66qt clear Sterilite tubs • A box of rubber gloves • A pair of tyvek wrist sleeves • Still air box (made from a large tub) • 2 bottles of 70% rubbing alcohol • 6 spore syringes (ralphstersspores.com)
All in all, I'd say I invested around $250-300 to get started, and saw that back 3 fold after 2 months.
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PirateSwazey said: After growing for about a year and a half I just started to get into the agar work, and honestly, I wish I had taken it up in the beginning. The PF tek is outdated IMO. I would highly advise skipping it and learn how to grow big from the start. This is just my 2¢ though... All in all, I'd say I invested around $250-300 to get started, and saw that back 3 fold after 2 months.
While for the most part I agree, I'm not going to begrudge anyone the opportunity to get their toes wet before deciding whether they want to jump into this hobby headfirst.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
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I agree start with agar it's safe cheap and simple.
I like painters plastic for my lab area
Spray bottles Thermometers Heater or AC ZIP bags Bleach Parafilm or glad wrap for petris
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Heres a couple of items that Ive found to be really handy as well. You dont have to have them, but Ive found that they make the work easier and faster.
The first is full of Alcohol. A quick shot on each hand and no spillage.
The second makes for a red hot scalpel in very short order.

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Gonna throw down on a good PC. Then get my tubs and sterilizing elements like my micro torch and my gloves and sprays.
From there I intend to make my own bulk agar mix using a tek I found on here. Using potato flakes and agar with honey If I remember correctly. (anyone know of its success or something better/cheaper?)
Anyways, from there I'm going to get a large bag of grain. I have a barrel of sawdust from untreated wood I got for free. And a free bail of straw. So I think I have plenty of substrate.
Topped off with my glove box, quart jars, and gas exchange tape.
I think I should be good to go. I also intend on using small 1/4 pint jars for my agar cultures. I think it will protect my cultures better and be easier than petris with wrap.
Anyone see room for improvement or something wrong? Please tell me!
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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Adustus said: From there I intend to make my own bulk agar mix using a tek I found on here. Using potato flakes and agar with honey If I remember correctly. (anyone know of its success or something better/cheaper?)
That's called PDA, for potato dextrose agar, and it's been one of the standard solutions for growing cultures for decades. There are several that are just as good, but there are none that are better.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
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Adustus said: but there are none that are better.
we use fert agars. we have used about every agar known. none compares to it.
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My only suggestion from here would be to start with 1 species. I know you said you're interested in cubensis, reishi, and a couple others (?). I would start with the cubes since they are the easiest to handle. Get your sterile technique down. Learn how to 'properly' pasteurize your substrates. Get your feet wet. Then move on to bigger and better projects.
I just say this so you don't try to take on too much at one time and get frustrated. You're already looking at a lot of variables so in the beginning it's best to minimize them so you can learn and improve quickly.
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If you're going with jars for agar, I would use the half pints over the 4 oz jars. The smaller ones have quilted sides making it difficult to make out whats growing on the agar. The half pints are clear and you can easily see through them.
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wildernessjunkie said: If you're going with jars for agar, I would use the half pints over the 4 oz jars. The smaller ones have quilted sides making it difficult to make out whats growing on the agar. The half pints are clear and you can easily see through them.
Excellent advice! I would have never known that till it was too late.
And I've grown plenty of cubes. Those little guys will fight to grow on nearly anything. I even had a friend grow some on cigarette butts.
Crazy.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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What I would consider to be essential:
Pressure cooker. The biggest one you can afford. Tubs. At least one for a FC and one big-ass one for a SAB. Flowhoods are invaluable if you have the cash. Petris. Real ones. Agar/LME or dextrose Scalpel/blades Torch Jars SFD's Hole saw/drill Big bag of grain Coir Big bag of verm Lime Thermometer Alcohol Spores/culture Dehydrator Polyfil Parafilm Tape
That should be enough to get you started the right way.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: 36fuckin5]
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nice list 365
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: 36fuckin5]
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Im still unsure about the need for a dehydrator. I always fan dry cubes. But I'm unsure as to edibles and medicinal mushrooms. I was going to fan dry them as well but maybe a dehydrator is better. Any opinions on this?
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as far as I know, its the same dang thing just takes longer. And less space usually unless you construct some kind of drying rack with fans or something.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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IMO it's less crucial with edibles than it is with cubensis. In most places fan dry isn't actually dry enough for storage, though.
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In most places fan dry isn't actually dry enough for storage, though.
Yep. Anything less than crispy is a recipe for funkiness.
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
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van der griegen said: IMO it's less crucial with edibles than it is with cubensis. In most places fan dry isn't actually dry enough for storage, though.
Do dehydrators ruin cubes at all? Like do they use any heat?
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Heat from dehydrator's is fine and recommended for most
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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Adustus said: Do dehydrators ruin cubes at all? Like do they use any heat?
Not using heat is more likely to ruin the cubes. Heat will not break down the actives until past 300 F whereas O2 will degrade your actives. So the longer they take to dry and get stored, the more possiblity that potency could be affected.
Like most people I crank my dehydrator to the max (mine goes to 165) so as to get the job done as quick as possible.
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Adustus said: Do dehydrators ruin cubes at all? Like do they use any heat?
Not using heat is more likely to ruin the cubes. Heat will not break down the actives until past 300 F whereas O2 will degrade your actives. So the longer they take to dry and get stored, the more possiblity that potency could be affected.
Like most people I crank my dehydrator to the max (mine goes to 165) so as to get the job done as quick as possible.
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Adustus said: Do dehydrators ruin cubes at all? Like do they use any heat?
Not using heat is more likely to ruin the cubes. Heat will not break down the actives until past 300 F whereas O2 will degrade your actives. So the longer they take to dry and get stored, the more possiblity that potency could be affected.
Like most people I crank my dehydrator to the max (mine goes to 165) so as to get the job done as quick as possible.
Fantastic info everyone. I will add a dehydrator to the mix as well then. Thanks again guys!
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
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I know this is old but i thought its hilarious that ive had the exact opposite problem. ive only had success with popcorn and the one time i tried rye most of my jars didnt even show signs of growth... but i came to an amature conclusion that popcorn is friendly to spores and LC should be used with other grains such as rye lol.
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