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OfflineThe Alaskan Dude
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
    #19163312 - 11/20/13 01:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I am completely, actually overly, satisfied I did not start my cultivation method with monotubs. I didn't start it with PF Tek either but I did use a SGFC with whole brown rice. I eventually did try PF Tek though. But before this forum I was at the library reading books from the 70's about mushrooms and fungus. Although I get much more yield from a monotub and find it easier to maintain (set and forget easy actually), I am so glad I experienced the dunking, rolling, fanning, misting, and creation of the SGFC. It really puts you more in tune with the natural growth cycle of mushrooms. They colonize... then the rainy season comes and drenches them in water... and in the dew laden morning pins emerge from the earth... and when the wind comes mushrooms spring forth. What a beautiful thing to recreate in a box in your closet.


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The five colors blind the eye,
The five tones deafen the ear,
The five flavors dull the taste.

Racing and hunting madden the mind,
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not what he sees.
He lets go of this and chooses that.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: The Alaskan Dude]
    #19163388 - 11/20/13 02:32 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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The Alaskan Dude said:
I am completely, actually overly, satisfied I did not start my cultivation method with monotubs. I didn't start it with PF Tek either but I did use a SGFC with whole brown rice. I eventually did try PF Tek though. But before this forum I was at the library reading books from the 70's about mushrooms and fungus. Although I get much more yield from a monotub and find it easier to maintain (set and forget easy actually), I am so glad I experienced the dunking, rolling, fanning, misting, and creation of the SGFC. It really puts you more in tune with the natural growth cycle of mushrooms. They colonize... then the rainy season comes and drenches them in water... and in the dew laden morning pins emerge from the earth... and when the wind comes mushrooms spring forth. What a beautiful thing to recreate in a box in your closet.




That was a trip just reading that.


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OfflineThe Alaskan Dude
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
    #19163454 - 11/20/13 03:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I hope it was a good trip! Lol.


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The five colors blind the eye,
The five tones deafen the ear,
The five flavors dull the taste.

Racing and hunting madden the mind,
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not what he sees.
He lets go of this and chooses that.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: The Alaskan Dude]
    #19163503 - 11/20/13 03:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! :tongue2:


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
    #19163529 - 11/20/13 04:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Kheto said:
Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! :tongue2:





There is a lot of reading you should do before starting

This is a good start

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17897163#17897163


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19163584 - 11/20/13 04:50 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This is awesome, thank you! One more question; So during colonization I want as little oxygen as possible so I should be keeping the tub closed as much as possible during then until its time to fruit? What about contams? I'm not supposed to be doing any spraying with peroxide or lysol or anything?


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
    #19163640 - 11/20/13 05:52 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So during colonization I want as little oxygen as possible so I should be keeping the tub closed as much as possible during then until its time to fruit?




Yes




If you did everything right and have clean spawn you do not need to worry about contams when colonizing/fruiting a tub


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: LiquidGlass]
    #19163707 - 11/20/13 06:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

high temp silicone and poly fill, premade lids with self healing injection ports and filters or something along those lines for spawn jars.

I started with
12 x 1 qt mason jars with lids and bands
big bag of random wild bird seed
bag of commercial compost
bag of commercial cow poo
brick of compressed coir
bag of vermiculite
tube of silicone
bag of polyfil
12 x small glass jelly jars
2 x boxes of agar from asian market
1 box of potato flakes
1 small bottle of honey
1 small bottle of Karo
Pressure cooker
meat thermometer for pasteurization
digital temp/humidity guage to check tub
and a list of book marked teks I was gonna follow.

I have all the teks I chose in the first post of my grow log linked in my sig. I got a small flush the first go waiting kn second.  1 of three spawn jars contaminated. 6 qt rubbermaid tote thing is fully colonized and knoting up. On edible side I lost 2 of three jars to contam but 2 of 2 homemade agar jars are clean. Read- read- read. Search function your ass off and copy the lists given in the teks you are going to follow. And follow the tek  Each time I tried being innovative or something I ended up posting a "PLEASE HELP" type post inmy thread.


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Edited by Smeagol (11/20/13 06:30 AM)


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Kheto]
    #19177694 - 11/23/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Kheto said:
Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! :tongue2:





Make a new thread in the Mushroom Cultivation forum and we can straighten this confusion out for you. Itemize your thoughts with bullets please.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Sockadin]
    #19189746 - 11/25/13 11:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Sockadin said:
Quote:

Kheto said:
Hey guys, I'm new to the hobby and the community here. I plan on starting up my first project in the next couple weeks and I want to use a tub. Whats the best substrate and casing to do for this? I've been studying the pf cake teks and it looks pretty straightforward, but I'm a little confused on how to fruit in a tub. The substrate is poured and then cased, what should the conditions be for this while its colonizing? And then once pins appear don't I need to alter the conditions in the tub once again? And since its a monotub I cant do a sgfc right? Sorry to ask in here, I just don't want to create a whole thread for this. Also its nice to meet you all! :tongue2:





Make a new thread in the Mushroom Cultivation forum and we can straighten this confusion out for you. Itemize your thoughts with bullets please.




It's all good man some of the vets on here helped me out with figuring out a good set up. Thanks either way man.


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OfflineThe Alaskan Dude
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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
    #19193969 - 11/26/13 08:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think he was responding to Khetos similar request.


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The five colors blind the eye,
The five tones deafen the ear,
The five flavors dull the taste.

Racing and hunting madden the mind,
Precious things lead one astray.

Therefore the sage is guided by what he feels and not what he sees.
He lets go of this and chooses that.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: The Alaskan Dude]
    #19194423 - 11/26/13 09:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

After growing for about a year and a half I just started to get into the agar work, and honestly, I wish I had taken it up a long time ago.
Alot of people start with the PF tek, which is outdated IMO. I would highly advise skipping it and learn how to grow big from the start.
Just my 2¢ though...

I started with:

• 23 quart presto PC
• 36 quart sized mason jars
• 10 pack of SFD (mycotopia.com)
• Tube of red RTV silicone (autozone)
• 3 bricks of eco earth coir
• Bag of horticultural vermiculite
• 40lbs of WBS
• Food dehydrator ($20 at walmart)
• 5 gallon bucket
• 5 66qt clear Sterilite tubs
• A box of rubber gloves
• A pair of tyvek wrist sleeves
• Still air box (made from a large tub)
• 2 bottles of 70% rubbing alcohol
• 6 spore syringes (ralphstersspores.com)



All in all, I'd say I invested around $250-300 to get started, and saw that back 3 fold after 2 months.:cookiemonster:


Edited by PirateSwazey (11/26/13 10:04 PM)


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19194443 - 11/26/13 10:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

PirateSwazey said:
After growing for about a year and a half I just started to get into the agar work, and honestly, I wish I had taken it up in the beginning.
The PF tek is outdated IMO. I would highly advise skipping it and learn how to grow big from the start. This is just my 2¢ though...
All in all, I'd say I invested around $250-300 to get started, and saw that back 3 fold after 2 months.:cookiemonster:




While for the most part I agree, I'm not going to begrudge anyone the opportunity to get their toes wet before deciding whether they want to jump into this hobby headfirst.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
    #19194950 - 11/27/13 01:54 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I agree start with agar it's safe cheap and simple.

I like painters plastic for my lab area

Spray bottles
Thermometers
Heater or AC
ZIP bags
Bleach
Parafilm or glad wrap for petris


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: mushrume man]
    #19194966 - 11/27/13 02:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Heres a couple of items that Ive found to be really handy as well. You dont have to have them, but Ive found that they make the work easier and faster.

The first is full of Alcohol. A quick shot on each hand and no spillage.

The second makes for a red hot scalpel in very short order.





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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: wildernessjunkie]
    #19195070 - 11/27/13 04:29 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Gonna throw down on a good PC. Then get my tubs and sterilizing elements like my micro torch and my gloves and sprays.

From there I intend to make my own bulk agar mix using a tek I found on here. Using potato flakes and agar with honey If I remember correctly. (anyone know of its success or something better/cheaper?)

Anyways, from there I'm going to get a large bag of grain. I have a barrel of sawdust from untreated wood I got for free. And a free bail of straw. So I think I have plenty of substrate.

Topped off with my glove box, quart jars, and gas exchange tape.

I think I should be good to go. I also intend on using small 1/4 pint jars for my agar cultures. I think it will protect my cultures better and be easier than petris with wrap.

Anyone see room for improvement or something wrong? Please tell me!


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Adustus]
    #19195273 - 11/27/13 07:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Adustus said:
From there I intend to make my own bulk agar mix using a tek I found on here. Using potato flakes and agar with honey If I remember correctly. (anyone know of its success or something better/cheaper?)




That's called PDA, for potato dextrose agar, and it's been one of the standard solutions for growing cultures for decades.  There are several that are just as good, but there are none that are better.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: Psilicon]
    #19195450 - 11/27/13 08:48 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

van der griegen said:
Quote:

Adustus said:
but there are none that are better.




we use fert agars.
we have used about every agar known.
none compares to it.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: anne halonium]
    #19196010 - 11/27/13 11:21 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

My only suggestion from here would be to start with 1 species.
I know you said you're interested in cubensis, reishi, and a
couple others (?). I would start with the cubes since they are
the easiest to handle. Get your sterile technique down. Learn
how to 'properly' pasteurize your substrates. Get your feet wet.
Then move on to bigger and better projects.

I just say this so you don't try to take on too much at one time
and get frustrated. You're already looking at a lot of variables
so in the beginning it's best to minimize them so you can learn
and improve quickly.


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Re: The Ultimate Question! [Re: PirateSwazey]
    #19196621 - 11/27/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you're going with jars for agar, I would use the half pints over the 4 oz jars. The smaller ones have quilted sides making it difficult to make out whats growing on the agar. The half pints are clear and you can easily see through them.


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