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Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public
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As many of you have seen in the past months our nation's Headshops are in danger and need our support. Federal and state laws have for over 2 decades made sale of drug paraphernalia a fineable, and imprisonable offense. Their main weapon is the fact that nobody uses the types of pipes commonly used for smoking marijuana (bongs chillums, glass) for smoking tobacco. This has made the overlords job of declairing what is and is not drug paraphernalia much easier.

I believe their sole intent in this is to silence the voices of pipe merchants by giving them reason to fear being vocal against the drug war. If it weren't for the fact that Headshop owners have to constantly cover their asses, they would have become local headquarters for the reform movement. The intent of paraphernalia laws is to oppress speech, and keep people who would otherwise be community leaders under their thumb.

Our response is clear and simple. Tobacco smokers who value liberty and oppose the drug war and the governments attempts to silence us should take to smoking bongs in public as a form of protest. This would both be a sign of solidarity amongst those of us yearning to be free, and would set a prescident of bongs being used to smoke tobacco, which would make it more difficult to obtain a conviction against businesses that sell pipes, and vocally support ending the drug war.

Who here smokes tobacco and is willing to be a trend setter?


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I have smoked tobacco out of a glass pipe before, and would be willing to smoke it out of a bong. I'd especially be willing to smoke flavored hookah tobacco out of a bong.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: silversoul7]
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I had some nice cherry flavored tobacco out of a hooha once. It was nice. Someone would probably want to come up with a line of tobacco specially blended to be smoked in bongs.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I've heard that there was once a kind of tobacco so strong that it could supposedly induce visions, but the Europeans found it too strong, so they bred the crops to be less strong.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: silversoul7]
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BY the way YOU ALL KNOW , I assume...............


that tommy chong is going to jail for selling bongs on the net right????????
fucking stupidest thing I can think off , heroin addicts can get free needles(which is cool and I have nothing against them), but if someone wants to buy a nice glass bong with a glass bowl, thats a big fucking crime


you know what I start to think more everyday that the american government isnt so concered about harder drugs, after all theres more money for the prison system , with marijuana smokers and growers

I remember a thing released in 2001 or so that said the previous year

MORE PEOPLE were arested for Cannabis then RAPE , MURDER , ASULT, AND THEFT combined
and of that 95% of those were for cannabis POSSESION
(Iam not exactly sure but this is a pretty common fact that could be looked up, I will dig a bit), its so close to that it doesnt matter

stack the P word against RAPE MURDER THEFT AND ASSULT

which seems worse to you

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Did you write that? That was really good.

If I smoked cigarettes, I would love to do this.





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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i *DELETED* [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: z@z.com]
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WTF?!!? That's an outrage! On what grounds did they keep his bong?





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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i *DELETED* [Re: Learyfan]
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"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." - C.S. Lewis

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: Learyfan]
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While I am a militant anti-smoker, I would acutally support people doing this particular act of civil-disobedience. For the obvious reason, of course, but also for this reason; most custom blended tobaccos are grown by small farmers - or more to the point, NOT by Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, Brown & Williamson, et. al.

This form of protest would actually support small farms in addition to reducing revenue (albeit a tiny amount) of the Big and Evils.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: GernBlanston]
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i think i will have to try that :smile2: except when i do it i'm going to be sure and get it on video and take pictures of my clean pipe before i start i may even use one of those legal herbal smoking blends that smell a little skunky


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: z@z.com]
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http://www.cannabisnews.com/news/thread11131.shtml

...in the affidavit, police cite several experts who stated that the items are used solely for drugs. These include James Noriss, commander of the New Hampshire Attorney General?s Drug Task Force; Lt. Anthony Colarusso of the Dover Police Department; Fran McNally, assistant principal at Dover High School; Timothy Pifer, director of the State Police Laboratory and Raymond McGarty, executive director of Southeast New Hampshire Services.

McGarty, for example, stated that he had never known the "bongs" and other items to be used for tobacco, according to the affidavit.

To classify the items as drug paraphernalia, Fenniman points out a section of state law that said the items can be classified as such with "expert testimony concerning its use." But Fenniman said the items in this case will also qualify under sections that include "direct or circumstantial evidence" of the owner?s intent, instructions or advertising for the item?s use, the manner it is displayed and whether the object is customarily intended for use as drug paraphernalia.



Gee, I wonder why nobody uses "bongs" for tobacco use. Maybe they don't want to be arrested for not breaking the law.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: GernBlanston]
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Technically it's not even civil disobedience.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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smoking flavored tobacco out of hookah's is really popular on the west coast, I think it's called "sheesha" or something like that. there's all kinds of little cafe's with tons of really nice hookahs hanging around the bars...


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Learyfan]
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Yes, those are my words.

What should we call this movement?

So far I like the phrase "Liberty Bong".

How about "Operation Liberty Bong."



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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: Malachi]
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Heh-- thanks to no more smoking in public places on the west coast, most of those have been shut down.


Anyone know if the Velvet Hooka in Deep Ellum is such a place currently?


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: GernBlanston]
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GernBlanston said:
While I am a militant anti-smoker, I would acutally support people doing this particular act of civil-disobedience. For the obvious reason, of course, but also for this reason; most custom blended tobaccos are grown by small farmers - or more to the point, NOT by Phillip Morris, RJ Reynolds, Brown & Williamson, et. al.

This form of protest would actually support small farms in addition to reducing revenue (albeit a tiny amount) of the Big and Evils.


That is totally hypocritical. So it is OK for a small farmer to slowly kill people, but not a big company? Another question. Why is it any of your business if I want to smoke cigarettes?

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Operation Liberty Bong has a nice ring to it. :wink:

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: shakta]
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i was going to comment about that too.

apparently "evil" is a function of how large a corporation is, not what it actually does....

that said, i fail to see how producing cigarettes, or tobacco, in whatever quantity, is evil.

i'm going to try smoking tobacco from a bong in public.

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: ]
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Quote:
Anyone know if the Velvet Hooka in Deep Ellum is such a place currently?


yeah, they have hookas, or at least they used to. Last I was there they played a lot of house and jazz. not really my scene.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: shakta]
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I would always rather give my money to a small business than a small one. It is interesting to note that most small farmers are considerably wealthy, even if they are not successfull at farming, they usually own many acres of property.

Some farmers do grow on other people's land.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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i really would be afraid of getting charged with possession of paraphernalia. i doubt it would get past a preliminary hearing, if even that far, but it'd still be more pain in the ass than i'm up for right now.

oh well. maybe i'm a shitty activist. hehe.

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: ]
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I'm up for it.

I'm also open to suggestions as to how to get this movement off the ground.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: ]
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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Man, that's be a great logo. You should change the text at the bottom so it's a bit more readable, though.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Phluck]
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Lord knows that poor bell could use all the publicity it can get.

If I ever get a chance, I should get a picture of me taking a liberty toke standing next to the Liberty Bell.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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No, wait.



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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: DoctorJ]
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DoctorJ,

Thanks...  But, how can you not like House? :smile:


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: silversoul7]
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I have successfully removed the vast majority of the nicotine from some American Spirit cigarette tobacco. I added some apple butter and maple syrup to it and took several good hoots from it. No water, just Ice. .

Not bad, but I think I can do better.

LearyFan: Since this is nicotine free, you might could join in after all.



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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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I'm going to do this dude what a fucking obvious brilliant idea I'd overlooked!!


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Strumpling]
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i think it should be documented with pictures and video in case someone gets arrested they could be valueble in court so you could show the pipe was clean prior to use the videos could also be helpful to prove police harrassment i would have my camera man standing at a distance from me in public so it didn't seem that they were with me they also could be used for publicity purposes to get this movement off the ground


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: uneasyone]
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In court the burden of proof is on the prosecution to show that the pipe is dirty.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: z@z.com]
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It's called the onus. You would say that the onus is on the prosecutors to prove that there are traces of THC in the pipe.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Odd_Snail]
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Quote:
Thanks... But, how can you not like House?


cant stand anything that sounds even remotely like disco...
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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
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Indeed. The sheer hypocrisy of pot laws never cease to amaze me! At a time when LEA's are whining about not enough money in the budget, spending time and money to prosecute weed smokers seems to be an exercise in stupidity! :frown: 

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs i [Re: PsiloKitten]
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"how can you not like House"

because my brain finds it boring, which causes me to not like it.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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This is so awesome!  I don't smoke tobacco, but maybe I could stuff tobacco in a bong and pretend to smoke it for effect.  And if someday I see any people chilling and smoking bongs on their porches, I'll wave hi and know that it is people who might have heard about Operation Liberty Bong. 

Maybe this should be made into a sticky somewhere, so more and more people can read it?  It can become a real movement or something, spanning the generations. 

Awesome.. :smile:

-ShadeGirl 

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: MOTH]
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Long live "Operation Liberty Bong".






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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Learyfan]
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1) bongs are only used for weed, admit it.

2) if your gonna smoke something outside as an act of protest, make it a blunt.

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: domite]
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*bongs were only used for weed.

Nobody cares about blunts.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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what i meant is make it marijuana...

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: domite]
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What good would that do?


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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what good whould smoking a bong in public do?

Lets be realistic here...

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: domite]
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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Learyfan]
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there we go...

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: domite]
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I've always talked about smoking salvia (just the leaves) in front of a cop, but am too much of a pussy to go through with it.

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: HIghInOhio]
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BONG?!?!

Don't you mean "tobbacco water pipe"?
:smile: :smile: :smile:

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: domite]
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Try reading the thread. That will explain.

DoctorJ : No, bong. They've even got people paranoid of that word. Maybe we can liberate it too.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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you gotta make propagandic stickers and/or static clingons for the bongs. that's my 2 cents.

BTW- i've thought about doing this before, just for kicks though. i didn't realize the damn man was trying to crack down on headshops. fukk'n BS.

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: BrainFarmer]
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I have a flyer, and I am workng on business cards and stickers that can be printed.

Here's the website so far:

http://www.geocities.com/operationlibertybong/


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in pu [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Let's not just think strictly bongs either. I think I will do this with my big glass sherlock. Which is clean right now. This would be even more practical with bubblers, sidecars, steamrollers and stuff like that. It is important to liberate the bonafied bong, but it is not practical to carry one around in public. But if the bong's little brothers and sisters are vindicated, no one will be able to deny the reasonable legality of a bong as well.

I think Sherlocks would be the most excellent tool for this purpose since pipes of their design were originally used for tobacco, also because they are so damn stylish. A big one with inside out glass and all the trademarks of extravagent glass work would be best!

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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Baby Hitler, did you finally decide to pull off your bong prank?  :shocked:  See this video....


















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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Learyfan] * 1
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HAHA! I did it once at college. There was a smoker's area by the student union. It was halloween, so a few students were wearing costumes. I had a cheap plastic bong in my backpack loaded with shisha. I pulled it out and started smoking it. This attracted a lot of attention from the other students, but I quickly explained to them that it was tobacco. Several of them asked if they could hit it, and I let them, some of them had friends take pictures of them doing it. Some students seemed visibly upset.

After several minutes of this, I put the bong back in my backpack, and headed to my next class. On the way, I passed two or three campus cops walking quickly in the direction I had just come from, but I don't know if they were looking for me.

Operation pipe dreams was based on the assertion by the government that nobody uses bongs to smoke tobacco. This video shows us why. It's because if you do, you get hassled, or assaulted by cops.


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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Baby_Hitler]
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Damn man, I was hoping that was you in the video.  :grin:

















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Re: Protest drug war & paraphernalia laws: Smoke bongs in public [Re: Learyfan]
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If I had encountered the cops, I would have been less confrontational than that guy. Also, my bong was a cheap, small, lightweight plastic bong. His was very viable as a weapon, and I think those cops handled it pretty well. I just wanted to establish the fact that people smoke tobacco out of bongs.

What this guy did was this:



Which is still pretty cool. Better done than not done, anyway. I just think it could be done with a little less smarm.


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