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Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD?
#19159715 - 11/19/13 01:37 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Would a Surgical face mask be a good replacement for Synthetic filter disks or no?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: otherr]
#19159721 - 11/19/13 01:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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No but a good alternative is EZ-felt.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: K1ngSp4de]
#19160100 - 11/19/13 03:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Tyvek, I don't believe a surgical mask would be very effective. Reason, much bigger pore size. Try breathing through a filter disk vs facemask.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: otherr]
#19160214 - 11/19/13 03:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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K1ngSp4de said: No but a good alternative is EZ-felt.
EZ felt is a horrible idea stop telling people that.
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otherr said: Would a Surgical face mask be a good replacement for Synthetic filter disks or no?
No a surgical mask wont work. Goto a hardware store and buy a tyvek painters suit and cut disks from it. Make sure you double layer the tyvek too.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19160255 - 11/19/13 03:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said:
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K1ngSp4de said: No but a good alternative is EZ-felt.
EZ felt is a horrible idea stop telling people that.
EZ felt works fine.
All it is is ironed down polyfill.....and we know that works....
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otherr said: No a surgical mask wont work. Goto a hardware store and buy a tyvek painters suit and cut disks from it. Make sure you double layer the tyvek too.
So thick felt will not work, but thin tyvek will?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19160286 - 11/19/13 03:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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why are u such a troll? You know i'm right but you'd rather argue than help the OP
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19160291 - 11/19/13 03:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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tyvek disks doubled up is right on RR's DVD so why dont you go troll somewhere else
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19160298 - 11/19/13 03:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Just buy some sfd. Problem solved
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19160361 - 11/19/13 04:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: why are u such a troll? You know i'm right but you'd rather argue than help the OP
SFT
I am not trolling.....EZ Felt works fine as filter material....but I like how you automatically call me a troll when your opinion is challenged...it makes me feel warm on the inside....
I never said tyvek was not a good option...I was referring to your wierd logic where tyvek works, but EZ Felt(which is much thicker), doesn't.
No trolling here.....just facts....
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19160512 - 11/19/13 04:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm going to have to agree with hacker on this one. I've seen plenty of people successfully use ezfelt as a filter
Plus hacker has too many neon green guns to argue with
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19160524 - 11/19/13 04:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said:
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K1ngSp4de said: No but a good alternative is EZ-felt.
EZ felt is a horrible idea stop telling people that.
You have no idea what you're talking about. Easy felt works just as good as SFD's at a fraction of the cost. Ive reused the same easy felt jars 10 times now without any problems. The jar lids will need to be replaced because of rust before the easy felt wears out.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: bEelzeBosS]
#19160541 - 11/19/13 04:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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^^There you go. We see people using it successfully all the time
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: Stromrider]
#19160694 - 11/19/13 05:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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w/e have fun using inferior materials then IDC
I wouldnt listen to or follow half the stuff hacker says
but you can if you like lmao
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19160743 - 11/19/13 05:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: I wouldnt listen to or follow half the stuff hacker says
Neither would I........ but let's just keep that between you and me ok?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19160803 - 11/19/13 05:26 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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ya so keep telling ppl its ok to use things like polyfill or felt even
though using it is like trying to catch a house fly with a barb wire fence.
Micron sized bacteria can crawl right through it. Sure it may work, a bunch
of times even but is it worth the 60-70% success rate it will get you????
Why would you keep teaching ppl older less successful ways of doing things????
Sure it "CAN" work, if that's the kind of attitude u put into ur work then
you'll get that amount of return from it.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19160868 - 11/19/13 05:44 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ive used ez felt from walmart a lot lately, been putting out great results with my mexicana, galindoi, and cambo. Also have used micropore tape, polyfill, tyvek, bandaids and have had good results with everything. Ez felt is amazingly convenient and works prettydamn good 
Btw hacker is good shit and is always putting out good info and answers. I have never seen him troll.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19160898 - 11/19/13 05:50 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: ya so keep telling ppl its ok to use things like polyfill or felt even
though using it is like trying to catch a house fly with a barb wire fence.
Micron sized bacteria can crawl right through it. Sure it may work, a bunch
of times even but is it worth the 60-70% success rate it will get you????
Why would you keep teaching ppl older less successful ways of doing things????
Sure it "CAN" work, if that's the kind of attitude u put into ur work then
you'll get that amount of return from it.
Bro, people use it all the time with 100$ success....
Even I had great success using polyfill stuffed in a hole when I first started....look it up...its all recorder in the search function.
I would never recommend anything that had that low of a success rate.
Stop acting so butthurt......you were wrong...deal with it.....EZ Felt works just as good, if not better than tyvek.....
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19160916 - 11/19/13 05:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes band aids poly fill and felt ur right they are great use em up lmao
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19160957 - 11/19/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Bandaids?
I have never advised to use any sort of tape...I actually always advise against it.
Keep tryin.....what else you got?
I can do this all night.....
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19160966 - 11/19/13 06:02 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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you still haven't even answered the OP question.....no wonder 15 members
are ignoring you....
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161007 - 11/19/13 06:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Once my cats ripped some filters off my jars and i was able to slap some bandaids on... no contaminations.. so whats the problem?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: SupaThaRipper]
#19161024 - 11/19/13 06:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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SupaThaRipper said: Once my cats ripped some filters off my jars and i was able to slap some bandaids on... no contaminations.. so whats the problem?
it's obvious the problem is that your jars are where your cat can get to them. Just cause it worked once doesn't mean you should give ur cat ur jars and a box of band aids every time you grow.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161047 - 11/19/13 06:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 if you don't like polyfil you can just be a big kid and keep your misleading mouth shut. Fact is poly and ez felt work. Better isn't even relative when both poly and sfd both give 100% success. I've only ever been able to trace my contams down to something other than my GE.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: bodhisatta]
#19161062 - 11/19/13 06:20 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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poly and sfd's can't even be closely compared to each other u def have no idea what your saying. Or how small contams really are.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161080 - 11/19/13 06:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: you still haven't even answered the OP question.
No, because I thought you did that...
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rumfor69 said:
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otherr said: Would a Surgical face mask be a good replacement for Synthetic filter disks or no?
No a surgical mask wont work.

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rumfor69 said: no wonder 15 members are ignoring you....
I know right......can we make it 16????????????

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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19161267 - 11/19/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Where is the scientific evidence that polyfill and ezfelt doesnt work? I have my evidence that they do work.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19161271 - 11/19/13 06:56 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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rumfor69 said: ya so keep telling ppl its ok to use things like polyfill or felt even
though using it is like trying to catch a house fly with a barb wire fence.
Micron sized bacteria can crawl right through it. Sure it may work, a bunch
of times even but is it worth the 60-70% success rate it will get you????
Why would you keep teaching ppl older less successful ways of doing things????
Sure it "CAN" work, if that's the kind of attitude u put into ur work then
you'll get that amount of return from it.
Bro, people use it all the time with 100$ success....
Even I had great success using polyfill stuffed in a hole when I first started....look it up...its all recorder in the search function.
I would never recommend anything that had that low of a success rate.
Stop acting so butthurt......you were wrong...deal with it.....EZ Felt works just as good, if not better than tyvek.....
I use stuffed polyfill for my jars all the time, my contam rates are not even close to 40%
Honestly it is all preference, there a wide array of items that are suitable for the job
But for me, polyfill is cheap and efficient and has never let me down. All contams I blame for poor SAB technique or poor grain prep. Not the filter. No reason to get strung out about it.
Edited by nn-IlliniSpiralDMT (11/19/13 06:59 PM)
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how can polyfil be cheaper and more efficient than a $0.99 SFD that can
be reused thousands of times and filters down to .3 microns???????
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19161441 - 11/19/13 07:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Guys, use what's easier to get wherever you grow. It ain't worth pissing at each other over. I live in BFE, so it's easier to use synthetic filter disks since I can use them over and over. If you live in a city near craft stores, you can get all sorts of cool stuff. If a fabric is loose, pack it down tighter. The bottom line whatever you use can't melt or distort enough to allow bacteria or mold spores to enter, but must still allow the gasses to vent. It also must be synthetic to prevent becoming food. RR
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161446 - 11/19/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: how can polyfil be cheaper and more efficient than a $0.99 SFD that can
be reused thousands of times and filters down to .3 microns???????
It might not be cheaper in the long run, but initially it is cheaper.
$3 for a huge ass 32 ounce bag that will last about 500 jars.......
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161448 - 11/19/13 07:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: poly and sfd's can't even be closely compared to each other u def have no idea what your saying. Or how small contams really are.
Do you?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
#19161534 - 11/19/13 07:38 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: how can polyfil be cheaper and more efficient than a $0.99 SFD that can
be reused thousands of times and filters down to .3 microns???????
Please copy the part of my reply that said it was CHEAPER AND MORE EFFICIENT. I did not say that, I said it was cheap for me. I can buy a bag of polyfill for 2$ and have enough for 100s of jars. It is also reusable. Quick wash with soapy water around the rim and finish it off with iso. The PC will take care of the rest and since I already have polyfill for tubs I do not need to waste the $ on SFD's.
Again it is what is convenient for YOUR situation. But don't say that using polyfill is going to result in a 60%-70% success rate. Thats just crazy
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Shroomery needs a place where we can take people who disagree with us out back and beat their asses. 
C'mon guys, RR
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: RogerRabbit]
#19161588 - 11/19/13 07:48 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said: Shroomery needs a place where we can take people who disagree with us out back and beat their asses. 
C'mon guys, RR
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: RogerRabbit]
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RogerRabbit said: Shroomery needs a place where we can take people who disagree with us out back and beat their asses. 
C'mon guys, RR

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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: Rubestoad]
#19161680 - 11/19/13 08:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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poly fill can't even keep out fruit flys
There is no way in hell it works as good as a
.3 micron SFD every time.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19161693 - 11/19/13 08:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said: poly fill can't even keep out fruit flys
There is no way in hell it works as good as a
.3 micron SFD every time.
I dont know if this is true, but there are people who live by shredded polyester fibers...
Gimmi a sec, i'll update this post with what I just bought going to give them a try.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19161799 - 11/19/13 08:22 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm done with this stupid thread anyhow.
I'm just glad I learned when this site gave away correct info
instead of "can" work or "works most the time" info like this.
I get %99.99 success rates and I try to share how it works. I don't
care if you all think I'm wrong. Ive used those other materials and had
loads of problems so I'm speaking from experience not bullshit. Hacker doesn't
use poly or felt cause its inferior, same for TL, frank, and RR I don't
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
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rumfor69 said: Hacker doesn't use poly or felt cause its inferior
It is not inferior, it works just fine, and I have used polyfill as filter material with 99-100% success, so have a lot of other people...this has already been said.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
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I remember a time when the Poor Mans Pod was highly advised,
and that It was the best around. Times change, materials change.

This is called EcoFelt, EcoFi, FriendlyFelt, amongst many other names.
It can be used in place of SFD's and can be PC'ed many times before degradation becomes a factor.
I picked up three sheets for five dollars today at a fabric store. I should've gotton all white, I dont know what I was thinking.

$1+/- for thirty, fourty, fifty SFD replacements depending on the size you choose to cut out.
It is highly cost effective for the frugal, and has proven to work very well. It is not true felt, this is a polyester fibre smashed together, same thing as Polyfil, or the stuffing you pull from your pillows to filter contams from grain jars. If it can protect sterile grain from contams in a fluffy state, why not in a flat-mash paper style?
You be the judge.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19161945 - 11/19/13 08:45 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm not wrong SFD's are better and filter to the micron
your wrong pollyfill and felt are inferior and I pitty any noob who listens to ya
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
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Looking through your past threads I see a few, many posts regarding contams. Please do not act as you are the master of contams and are wiser than most.
We're all just students of this hobby. It works, dont dissuade people from a cost effective friendly alternative to SFD's because you dont like the idea of them.
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For the record I have used ez-felt with 100% success rate. And I still use poly fill on all my spawn jars.
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Oh I get his logic now.....
If it does not do what an SFD does it is inferior and therefore fail....
But then he advised to use tyvek......go figure.....
Tyvek is inferior to SFDs as well if thats the case....so why even advocate that?
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Notahacker420 said: Oh I get his logic now.....
If it does not do what an SFD does it is inferior and therefore fail....
But then he advised to use tyvek......go figure.....
Tyvek is inferior to SFDs as well if thats the case....so why even advocate that?

I bet hes all like
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
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Because bro, the post office uses it.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
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JMcDoogle said: Looking through your past threads I see a few, many posts regarding contams.
last contam was a bacterial contam I had.....one.....ever since SFDs...
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: Sagescruffy]
#19162044 - 11/19/13 09:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sagescruffy said: Because bro, the post office uses it.
That's not the same tyvek so SFT
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
#19162051 - 11/19/13 09:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said: Oh I get his logic now.....
If it does not do what an SFD does it is inferior and therefore fail....
But then he advised to use tyvek......go figure.....
Tyvek is inferior to SFDs as well if thats the case....so why even advocate that?
Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
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JMcDoogle said: Looking through your past threads I see a few, many posts regarding contams.
last contam was a bacterial contam I had.....one.....ever since SFDs...
Im just having a laugh guy, dont take it personal.
The only serious statement I made was about your adherent mindset of SFD's being the only go-to. There are plenty of alternatives, albeit you can be sad that you've spent a bunch of money on something that is replicated each day for pennies to the dollar.
But please, do not say things like " I pity the fool who comes to believe your crazy ideas. '
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
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rumfor69 said: Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
Yes,the kite tyvek(real tyvek) is so thin, and the pores lose their integrity with every PC cycle...whats not to love?
On the other hand, if you do not want a paper thin filter, look into EZ Felt or stuffing the hole with polyfill.
Contams will have a harder time penetrating a thicker filter....I thought this was common sense.....
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: PussyFart]
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rumfor69 said: Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
Yes,the kite tyvek(real tyvek) is so thin, and the pores lose their integrity with every PC cycle...whats not to love?
On the other hand, if you do not want a paper thin filter, look into EZ Felt or stuffing the hole with polyfill.
Contams will have a harder time penetrating a thicker filter....I thought this was common sense.....
That's not the right tyvek either that's like roofing roll tyvek.
You have to use the tyvek from painting suits or powder coating suits.
Know why powder coating workers don't wear Polly suits???????
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
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Im guessing because they dont make / sell them in the aisle for powder coating?
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
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JMcDoogle said: Im guessing because they dont make / sell them in the aisle for powder coating?
They are sold right at Lowes or home depot both poly and tyvek each for different uses
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19162249 - 11/19/13 09:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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JMcDoogle said: Im guessing because they dont make / sell them in the aisle for powder coating?
They are sold right at Lowes or home depot both poly and tyvek each for different uses
So im guessing they're individually labeled.
I know the tyvek suits I buy at HD are labeled .3 Microns
I'm guessing the polyester ones are the same.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
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JMcDoogle said:
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rumfor69 said:
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JMcDoogle said: Im guessing because they dont make / sell them in the aisle for powder coating?
They are sold right at Lowes or home depot both poly and tyvek each for different uses
So im guessing they're individually labeled.
I know the tyvek suits I buy at HD are labeled .3 Microns
I'm guessing the polyester ones are the same.
the poly ones aren't as fine, if you paint a car wearing one you will still
get paint all over you. only tyvek keeps you clean.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19162318 - 11/19/13 09:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said:
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JMcDoogle said:
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rumfor69 said:
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JMcDoogle said: Im guessing because they dont make / sell them in the aisle for powder coating?
They are sold right at Lowes or home depot both poly and tyvek each for different uses
So im guessing they're individually labeled.
I know the tyvek suits I buy at HD are labeled .3 Microns
I'm guessing the polyester ones are the same.
the poly ones aren't as fine, if you paint a car wearing one you will still
get paint all over you. only tyvek keeps you clean.
Is this an assumption or are you stating facts.
Wouldent want to discourage someone from using polyprolone on a whim...
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#19162327 - 11/19/13 09:34 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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rumfor69 said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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rumfor69 said: Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
Yes,the kite tyvek(real tyvek) is so thin, and the pores lose their integrity with every PC cycle...whats not to love?
On the other hand, if you do not want a paper thin filter, look into EZ Felt or stuffing the hole with polyfill.
Contams will have a harder time penetrating a thicker filter....I thought this was common sense.....
That's not the right tyvek either that's like roofing roll tyvek.
You have to use the tyvek from painting suits or powder coating suits.
Know why powder coating workers don't wear Polly suits???????
dude, why are you so bent on trying to convince people that polyfill doesn't work? It works, whether you say it does or doesn't. Just because you use SFD doesnt mean everyone has to. RR already stated why he uses SFD on the thread It is easier for him to get. Did he say it was inferior and couldn't be used? No. I use poly, many TC use poly. I wish I could find a thread that showed a wide arrange of filters up close, that would settle things..
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Tyvek
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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said:
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rumfor69 said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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rumfor69 said: Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
Yes,the kite tyvek(real tyvek) is so thin, and the pores lose their integrity with every PC cycle...whats not to love?
On the other hand, if you do not want a paper thin filter, look into EZ Felt or stuffing the hole with polyfill.
Contams will have a harder time penetrating a thicker filter....I thought this was common sense.....
That's not the right tyvek either that's like roofing roll tyvek.
You have to use the tyvek from painting suits or powder coating suits.
Know why powder coating workers don't wear Polly suits???????
dude, why are you so bent on trying to convince people that polyfill doesn't work? It works, whether you say it does or doesn't. Just because you use SFD doesnt mean everyone has to. RR already stated why he uses SFD on the thread It is easier for him to get. Did he say it was inferior and couldn't be used? No. I use poly, many TC use poly. I wish I could find a thread that showed a wide arrange of filters up close, that would settle things..
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Tyvek
I never said it doesn't work. I stated to the OP that you can't use a surgical
mask like an sfd and that you should use tyvek instead of felt.
Then narcesist hacker had to tell me I'm wrong instead of helping the OP like always.
Pollyfill and felt
are not as good as tyvek and SFDs everyone knows that. Its common sense.
I never said they don't work.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
#19162383 - 11/19/13 09:43 PM (10 years, 2 months ago) |
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your wrong pollyfill and felt are inferior and I pitty any noob who listens to ya
I pity you, rum. I pity you.
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JMcDoogle said:
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rumfor69 said:
your wrong pollyfill and felt are inferior and I pitty any noob who listens to ya
I pity you, rum. I pity you.

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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69]
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rumfor69 said:
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JMcDoogle said:
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rumfor69 said:
your wrong pollyfill and felt are inferior and I pitty any noob who listens to ya
I pity you, rum. I pity you.

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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: JMcDoogle]
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I did this filter test awhile back. It might be of interest to some of you in this thread.
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15431433
Its far from a scientific study, but I have both SFDs and EZ felt disks. Having used both, I don't prefer one over the other. They both seem to work equally well.
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: rumfor69] 1
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rumfor69 said:
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nn-IlliniSpiralDMT said:
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rumfor69 said: Tyvek is better than pollyfill or felt and you know it.
Yes,the kite tyvek(real tyvek) is so thin, and the pores lose their integrity with every PC cycle...whats not to love?
On the other hand, if you do not want a paper thin filter, look into EZ Felt or stuffing the hole with polyfill.
Contams will have a harder time penetrating a thicker filter....I thought this was common sense.....
That's not the right tyvek either that's like roofing roll tyvek.
You have to use the tyvek from painting suits or powder coating suits.
Know why powder coating workers don't wear Polly suits???????
dude, why are you so bent on trying to convince people that polyfill doesn't work? It works, whether you say it does or doesn't. Just because you use SFD doesnt mean everyone has to. RR already stated why he uses SFD on the thread It is easier for him to get. Did he say it was inferior and couldn't be used? No. I use poly, many TC use poly. I wish I could find a thread that showed a wide arrange of filters up close, that would settle things..
http://www.fungifun.org/English/Tyvek
I never said it doesn't work. I stated to the OP that you can't use a surgical
mask like an sfd and that you should use tyvek instead of felt.
Then narcesist hacker had to tell me I'm wrong instead of helping the OP like always.
Pollyfill and felt
are not as good as tyvek and SFDs everyone knows that. Its common sense.
I never said they don't work.
If you cut easy felt into a disk it is a SFD lol. There really is not a difference. When you have concrete evidence that one filter is better than another then I'll give you
Until then look at this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/15451187#15451187
even tyvek has holes in it... If I were to bundle polyfill it would be the same exact thing... it is not, as you say, trying to catch a fly with a fence
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I think polyfil is superior to SFD because it's cheaper, works just as well, and you can even inoculate through it if needles are your thing.
... Things can't be better or worse than each other if they both work, they can only have pro's and con's
Is gas better than diesel PC better than mac. Depends on who you ask. Truth is if someone says one is better than the other they're a product yuppie. Anyone worth their brain knows that more than one thing can get the job done, use what you like, and don't be a knob about it.
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All i know is that playstation is better than xbox
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Re: Surgical Face Mask instead of SFD? [Re: SupaThaRipper]
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SupaThaRipper said: All i know is that playstation is better than xbox
Fuck, they both suck...YLODs and RRODs.......get a PC and play them all without the worry of your system overheating from lack of competence by the manufacturer....
My computer will run circles around the PS4..............much better graphics as well..
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SupaThaRipper said: All i know is that playstation is better than xbox
Fuck, they both suck...YLODs and RRODs.......get a PC and play them all without the worry of your system overheating from lack of competence by the manufacturer....
My computer will run circles around the PS4..............much better graphics as well..
Iv'e never had my PlayStation over heat in any generation over heat... I bought my PS3 the first day they came out and it still works like new. Pc's cost double what a console costs and they dont work straight outta the box.
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You guys are retarded. There is no way PS4 is better than SFD's. But Mac is way better than ez felt.

Seriously, I've used ez-felt and SFD's.
Ez-felt works fine and it's cheap. Technically, it's synthetic and when you cut it in to a disc and use it as a filter, it becomes a SFD.
But, when people speak of SFD's, we are generally referring to those really tightly woven material found on many myco supply sites.
EZ-felt is not the exact same thing. It works, but I notice it seems to get flimsy after a few runs. I can actually see light glare through the loose weave. I never had a contam issue with it, but it may be because I quit using the disc after a few runs. It may have still worked fine, but I didn't trust it.
I'm not sayin everyone should only use SFD's, but there is definitely a difference. SFD's are much thicker and tightly woven.(or pressed or however they're made).
If all you got is tyvek or polyfill, you can make it work. It happens all the time. If it works, it works and that's all that matters. The only inferior choice is the one you can't make work for you.
SFD's are nice and I'm glad I bought them.
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