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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159080 - 11/19/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.
CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....
http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=
You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....
Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
#19159123 - 11/19/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container
Not sure why you insist on sterilizing the container, but hey, it's your time wasted, not mine.....
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Adustus said: Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright.
Will it now?
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Adustus said: Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe.
And a bunch of wasted time for nothing.
Knock up grains with the wedge, and then mix the grains with the substrate.
Knocking up a bulk substrate with a spore syringe has failed more times than I care to link to.
And a few agar wedges will take forever to colonize the substrate....this is why we use thousands of grains as inoculation points....so the substrate actually colonizes in a realistic amount of time.
Regardless of how much you think you know, if this is what your idea of an experiment is I have to tell ya, it is set up to fail.
You should start with grains, then spawn them to coir/verm monotub....then experiment once you understand how this works.
Because you obviously do not......Harsh maybe.....helpful definitely.....but i can only lead a horse to water....i cannot make it drink.
I'll remember that. It makes since I'd need a culture. I've never done anything bigger than Ball mason jars. I'm still gonna try it despite how much your forcing yourself against me. Now that I've got my personal space back. I believe firmly in nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm aware of the need of grains. I'm aware of the opinion you carry that it won't work. But if I get it to. Then it may turn into a descent bulk tek at some point. We can sit here for days showing our egos and being know it all's but as someone who doesn't believe in impossible. I'm gonna check it out. If it sucks I'll just use another tek on here.
But I'd say theres a good chance this would work for bulk oyster harvests.Quote:
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Adustus said: So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.
CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....
http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=
You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....
Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......
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Adustus said: So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.
CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....
http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=
You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....
Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......
I meant we used those in comparison to normal lights we had that would have overheated and blown.
Clearly I'm talking about "then" as compared to now and your taking my "then" as now. Were getting in a difficult and unending circle bud.
Okay. Fresh start here. So In theory. If I did my substrate right. And nailed gas exchange pretty well and got a very heavy inoculation. We should be in business right? 5 gallon buckets ftw?
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159137 - 11/19/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Your bucket will be clean, but it won't be sterile after you open it in the open air.
If you put an agar wedge in those conditions, the un-colonized part of the agar will grow contams and rapidly spread through your substrate.
I don't know how susceptible pasteurized matte is to contamination, but I think it would grow contams before your MS spores would have time germinate and colonize. Spores really need to go on sterlized media.
If you inoculate a pasteurized substrate with anything highly nutritious, like agar or grains, then the inoculant must be 100% colonized or it will likely result in contamination.
If you want to experiment with matte in this way, I would do it on a small more controllable scale than a bucket.
I suggest using quart jars. Then you could sterilize the matte in the jar and keep it sterile and inoculate with whatever you want.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19159164 - 11/19/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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SpitballJedi said: Your bucket will be clean, but it won't be sterile after you open it in the open air.
If you put an agar wedge in those conditions, the un-colonized part of the agar will grow contams and rapidly spread through your substrate.
I don't know how susceptible pasteurized matte is to contamination, but I think it would grow contams before your MS spores would have time germinate and colonize. Spores really need to go on sterlized media.
If you inoculate a pasteurized substrate with anything highly nutritious, like agar or grains, then the inoculant must be 100% colonized or it will likely result in contamination.
If you want to experiment with matte in this way, I would do it on a small more controllable scale than a bucket.
I suggest using quart jars. Then you could sterilize the matte in the jar and keep it sterile and inoculate with whatever you want.
5 mushrooms for you sir your spot on. I was thinking try it in small amounts with matte but after these guys said mattes really difficult due to contamination I was thinking a better substrate like Rye berries and coffee would do well. I've been curious about the bird seed teks I've been seeing alot. They seem to do really well and fairly quickly as well. I think itll just take time for the substrate to mix well with the size. But I know I can figure it out. Thanks guys for giving me insight as to what I need to adjust before I attempt this tek.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: SpitballJedi]
#19159179 - 11/19/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Okay Spitball Nevermind. I'll hit you with that 5 mushrooms when I get my 50 posts done. Thanks for being clear and taking the time to read and understand what was being explained. Your feedback was excellent.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159348 - 11/19/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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If all you're trying to do is make a cake add brewed coffee and water and some gypsum but how would you sterilize the grains from that point and shaking would be a bitch a 5 gallon bucket would take forever to colonize that's why we use quart jars or spawn bags. Maybe I'm lost at what you're trying to do.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: blueconfusion]
#19159365 - 11/19/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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blueconfusion said: If all you're trying to do is make a cake add brewed coffee and water and some gypsum but how would you sterilize the grains from that point and shaking would be a bitch a 5 gallon bucket would take forever to colonize that's why we use quart jars or spawn bags. Maybe I'm lost at what you're trying to do. 
Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go! When you have an entire cafe kitchen at your disposal I'm sure theres many ways to get that substrate ready even in the bucket.
I figure if spawn bags work well then spawn buckets may not suck. Especially if that cakes and I can split it. That's a whole bin full. Really really full.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159383 - 11/19/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!
What do you mean by "zap it"?
Why 200 degrees? What would that do?
That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159388 - 11/19/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So you're sterilizing a sub then introducing it to the very contaminates you just sterilized it against by reopening the bucket? And zapping it with 200 degrees is not proper sterilization that is why we pc @ 15psi for 90 min., but more power to you i guess.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
#19159404 - 11/19/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!
What do you mean by "zap it"?
Why 200 degrees? What would that do?
That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....
He's trying to bucket tek grains
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: blueconfusion]
#19159426 - 11/19/13 12:26 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!
What do you mean by "zap it"?
Why 200 degrees? What would that do?
That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....
He's trying to bucket tek grains 
This bucket fills me with awe and wonder. Do not underestimate the bucket. But seriously have you never seen the huge brewers they have and machine they use to wash dishes. I was throwing a number out there cause I know most of em get that high at least.
But essentially youd sterilize the bucket in there. Add substrate thats pasteurized and put it in again to give it a sterile finish from opening it for substrates/inoculation. Look clearly I just need to go and try it once I finally get some spores. I figure if the oyster cant do it nothing could. If its awesome I'll throw up a tek. If it sucks i'll come back and let you dance on my failure.
Now everyone wins 
Anyways all I need at this point is a culture to test the theory. Though I'm unsure as to the quality of whatever so id do jars and probably inoculate it with a lively big boy of rye seed. Itd inoculate well and mix right in.
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159434 - 11/19/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates. Thats the way the story goes.
Although I know people who do scary peroxide stuff with straw. But just so everyones clear. I'm speaking of using both in one tek using professional kitchen equipment. Now let's stop mixing things up here and keep things professional
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159444 - 11/19/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates.
Is this why you plan on pasteurizing the substrate in the same machine that sterilized the bucket in?
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
#19159477 - 11/19/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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for this to work you would need to pastureize the sub after you had grain spawn fully colonized, then mix them together in the bucket and let colonize for a week or......
you can make a monotub :/
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159483 - 11/19/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Adustus said: Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates. Thats the way the story goes.
i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best, unless im doing transfer with my scalpel and thats with clean burning fuel til red hot
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: twistedty]
#19159490 - 11/19/13 12:42 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best
So you do not flame sterilize your tools?(needles, scalples, loops, etc.)
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
#19159496 - 11/19/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i edited it before you posted that
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: twistedty]
#19159501 - 11/19/13 12:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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i was thnking about buckets etc
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
#19159505 - 11/19/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I'm all for experiments. I'm even a fan of trying things not recommended if there is a chance of learning exactly why they are not recommended or if there is a possibility of learning where the pitfalls lie and thus getting a better chance of making it work or figuring how to make the concept applicable elsewhere. But to do something like what your suggesting OP not only has pretty much zero chance of working, but also has no further application elsewhere. You want to create a massive cake. Fine. But I gotta ask what's the end game? You certainly are not going to maximize fruiting area relative to the amount of sub your using. Colonization time will not be improved. Yield will not benefit. Mycelium expansion is not hard on smaller scale and we already have ill advised means of speeding that process up that at least have the virtue of being successful sometimes. This is fail for the sake of fail. There is no upside to this experiment, nor is there anything that could be learned. Why not inoculate a dumpster with some spores? Might cost less and the trash you end up with will already be where it belongs 
Nonetheless this has been an amusing read and for that I thank you
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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
#19159517 - 11/19/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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twistedty said: i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best
So you do not flame sterilize your tools?(needles, scalples, loops, etc.)
I flame sterilize all my tools before and after use. Isn't the #1 rule of mycology keeping your stuff sterile?
And the process works like this. Colonize a large jar of grain. Sterilize bucket. Fill bucket inside sterilizing chamber with pasteurized substrate. Seal and put in machine again to sterilize anything that may have tried to get at my fun little guys. With proper gas exchange and plenty of shaking it should cake up just fine.
Does it all make sense now?
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