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mini mono question
#19156974 - 11/18/13 09:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I am building a mini mono that is 10 inches by 12 inches. I will have the substrate 3 inches deep. What size holes and how many should I make?
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1.5 Inch to 2 inch.
Make 6 holes.
2 on each long side about 4 inches up from the bottom and evenly spaced laterally
And 1 on each short side as high as you can get it
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perfect! Has Jerry made it yet?
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Lemme check on it homie
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try to put your holes, in the level of your sub. this way the co2 can exit easily
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
#19159481 - 11/19/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aero said: try to put your holes, in the level of your sub. this way the co2 can exit easily
CO2 mixes with the air it's not a layer resting above the substrate like you might think it is. You want FAE in a monotub (even mini ones) you want fresh air coming in and going out. But still yes you do want to put the bottom holes at the level of your substrate for it to work properly.
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
#19159484 - 11/19/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aero said: try to put your holes, in the level of your sub. this way the co2 can exit easily
Co2 does not sink/settle out of air.....just so you know.
Just clarifying.....
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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
#19159497 - 11/19/13 12:44 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Aero said: try to put your holes, in the level of your sub. this way the co2 can exit easily
Co2 does not sink/settle out of air.....just so you know.
Just clarifying.....
yea u need some clarifying here
Because it's heavier than air, in locations where the gas seeps from the ground (due to sub-surface volcanic or geothermal activity) in relatively high levels, without the dispersing effects of wind, it can collect in sheltered/pocketed locations below average ground level, causing animals located therein to be suffocated..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
toxicity
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
#19159503 - 11/19/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aero said:
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Notahacker420 said:
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Aero said: try to put your holes, in the level of your sub. this way the co2 can exit easily
Co2 does not sink/settle out of air.....just so you know.
Just clarifying.....
yea u need some clarifying here
Because it's heavier than air, in locations where the gas seeps from the ground (due to sub-surface volcanic or geothermal activity) in relatively high levels, without the dispersing effects of wind, it can collect in sheltered/pocketed locations below average ground level, causing animals located therein to be suffocated..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
toxicity

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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
#19159504 - 11/19/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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True, but that's why you think it behaves the same way in a monotub. It doesn't. In fact those certain phenomenon are the only times toxic build up like that can even occur.
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JayBrasco said: fewer, you dont want alot of humidity to escape. only enough on the BOTTOM to get rid of CO2
Bad advice. Fresh air exchange causes a loss of moisture from the cakes or other substrate, and this loss of moisture is the number ONE pinning trigger. Noobs worry too much about humidity, which is easily corrected with misting. You MUST mist to make up for the lost moisture. In the old days, people would toss cakes in a sealed up chamber and hope for a couple of mushrooms before green mold set in. Today, you can easily get three or four times the harvest the early growers did by using a proper terrarium that provides both fresh air and high humidity.
Furthermore, why you guys think CO2 is heavy like water and will drain out holes in the bottom baffles the mind. If all the CO2 settled to the bottom, we'd all be dead due to the power plants and cars, cows, etc., that are puking out tons of CO2 by the minute. The CO2 MIXES with the air and thus must be exchanged WITH the air. It isn't a sweet little layer on the bottom of your fruiting chambers.
As for only reading 80% humidity in a shotgun terrarium with a humidifier running in the closet, it proves your hygrometer is screwed. I can put a shotgun terrarium in an open room with the lid totally off and get higher humidity than that.
I seriously doubt anyone has lower humidity than I do. It's below zero outside and I use a large cast iron wood stove to heat my cabin. My properly made shotgun terrariums all read 95% or greater. I keep a cool mist humidifier running near the wood stove, and it's nice and cozy in here, even though there's nearly five feet of snow on the ground outside. RR
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fungusfreak said: This will be a Brief description for newbies like myself who want to truly understand how an sgfc works and why..
A shotgun fruiting chamber is any container with multiple holes drilled on all 6 sides, the bottom is filled with damp perlite which maintains humidity through evaporation, they require misting and fanning everyday atleast twice a day.
The natural draft in a room is how a SGFC maintains its humidity the air blows through the holes in your chamber causing a vacuum and air is pulled into your perlite through the bottom

This air being pulled through the perlite carries with it tiny water molecules it picks up on the way through and deposits them in the atmosphere inside your tub creating an almost perfect humidity for your mycelium 24/7

Mycelium Ingest O2 and expels CO2 forming a gas layer of CO2 in your terrarium

Because CO2 is heavier then O2 it then settles at the lowest point in your terrarium

This is why its important to fan your cakes 3+ times a day forced air pushes the CO2 cloud out of your chamber and allows the moisture rich fresh air to take over,it also helps the evaporation process work and drys excess moisture of the cakes after a misting(no standing water on cakes ever..!!)

I Hope this helps and though it was not covered it is important to mist your cakes the misting of your SGFC will also provide help replenishing the moisture your perlite loses in its daily functioning
Best of luck
This is not correct. The physics of the shotgun terrarium are that evaporation causes a temperature drop, thus the air molecules are closer together. This results in higher pressure within the air spaces around the perlite.
The substrates and/or lights provide slight heating within the body of the terrarium. This results in relatively lower pressure. This low pressure area above the perlite(high pressure) results in airflow to balance the pressure. This in turn leads to more evaporation from the perlite, continuing the process. This is why a shotgun terrarium handles FAE automatically.
The CO2 does not settle to the bottom. In addition, the CO2 from mushrooms is mixed thoroughly into the O2, thus it travels out through the holes in the sides and top as part of the natural circulation. It doesn't enter the denser air within the perlite and spill out the bottom. RR
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bodhisatta said: True, but that's why you think it behaves the same way in a monotub. It doesn't.
Since we're experts here,
How does it? In mono-tubs that is.
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
#19159516 - 11/19/13 12:49 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Aero said: yea u need some clarifying here
Because it's heavier than air, in locations where the gas seeps from the ground (due to sub-surface volcanic or geothermal activity) in relatively high levels, without the dispersing effects of wind, it can collect in sheltered/pocketed locations below average ground level, causing animals located therein to be suffocated..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
toxicity
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RogerRabbit said: CO2 is not like water which remains separate from air and will drain out the bottom. The CO2 MIXES WITH THE AIR, thus does not 'leak out the bottom'.
Before you tell us to go to science class(I have two engineering degrees-do you?), you should go back to second grade to learn the difference between a whole and a hole. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16180683#16180683
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RogerRabbit said: CO2 does not sink to the bottom. CO2 mixes with the air which is also being heated by the colonizing substrate. The currents are thus in through the polyfill, and out(mostly) through the gap in the lid. The polyfill mostly serves to slow down the rate of air/gas exchange, thus keeping humidity and CO2 above ambient.
If CO2 settled to the lowest point we'd all be dead from power plant and auto, etc., emissions. Instead, CO2 can be measured at the top of the highest mountains. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18902483#18902483
Next time, for your own benefit, never quote wikipedia......
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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
#19159528 - 11/19/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Notahacker420 said:
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Aero said: yea u need some clarifying here
Because it's heavier than air, in locations where the gas seeps from the ground (due to sub-surface volcanic or geothermal activity) in relatively high levels, without the dispersing effects of wind, it can collect in sheltered/pocketed locations below average ground level, causing animals located therein to be suffocated..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
toxicity
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RogerRabbit said: CO2 is not like water which remains separate from air and will drain out the bottom. The CO2 MIXES WITH THE AIR, thus does not 'leak out the bottom'.
Before you tell us to go to science class(I have two engineering degrees-do you?), you should go back to second grade to learn the difference between a whole and a hole. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16180683#16180683
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RogerRabbit said: CO2 does not sink to the bottom. CO2 mixes with the air which is also being heated by the colonizing substrate. The currents are thus in through the polyfill, and out(mostly) through the gap in the lid. The polyfill mostly serves to slow down the rate of air/gas exchange, thus keeping humidity and CO2 above ambient.
If CO2 settled to the lowest point we'd all be dead from power plant and auto, etc., emissions. Instead, CO2 can be measured at the top of the highest mountains. RR
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18902483#18902483
Next time, for your own benefit, never quote wikipedia......
lol
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Re: mini mono question [Re: PussyFart]
#19159533 - 11/19/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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P.S. wikipedia... really ? lol.
It has it's uses. This, take note, is not a good use of it.
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No one is talking about concentrated co2 genius....................................................
I knew you were gonna post a video of something like that...lol...they all do......
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bodhisatta said: P.S. wikipedia... really ? lol.
It has it's uses. This, take note, is not a good use of it.
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Re: mini mono question [Re: Aero]
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Bit of a drama queen, I r.
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Re: mini mono question [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19159545 - 11/19/13 12:54 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Re: mini mono question [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19159551 - 11/19/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: True, but that's why you think it behaves the same way in a monotub. It doesn't.
Since we're experts here,
How does it? In mono-tubs that is.
The co2 mixes with the air the top and bottom holes allow for a pressure bias to build up and the small fan in the room pushes "turbulent fae" through the monotub. that air is (o2+n2+Co2+etc..)
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bodhisatta said: P.S. wikipedia... really ? lol.
It has it's uses. This, take note, is not a good use of it.
quoting RR all the time hahaha
are u familiar with the wine making?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1083623/Two-French-wine-makers-suffocated-carbon-dioxide-fumes-grapes-treading.html
it probably just happend to stay low, it was a sunday
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