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Kalypto
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Home made lab tek help
#19159030 - 11/19/13 10:33 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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By 1-1-2014 my room mate will have moved out and I wanna turn that room into a lab
I want to cover the floor and maybe build a small plastic room for a LFH when I get it
Other than that I dont know what I could do to turn this room and closets into the most effective work environment possible.
So how would you guys do it or what are some ideas for it .
I will be Documenting the build and trying to build a tek on later so any help or people to bounce ideas off of would be awesome
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159054 - 11/19/13 10:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would plastic up the floors and make your sterile room out of the closet. You might need to build it out a bit using the plastic and a small wood frame.
Use the rest of the room for working in and fruiting.
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19159069 - 11/19/13 10:42 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You should just make a tent with that plastic and not waste all your time and resources covering your walls and floor like a goof 
I have a small grow tent (3' x 3' x 6') I do my work inside of. A larger one would be ideal for your flowhood. If you don't have the money to drop on a nice one, just make one yourself.
It could sit in the closet and you could fill the room with tubs.
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Kalypto
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JohnnieYen said: I would plastic up the floors and make your sterile room out of the closet. You might need to build it out a bit using the plastic and a small wood frame.
Use the rest of the room for working in and fruiting.
So you think I should stay out of the closet?
That might have to be a sticking point for me as I grow in a apartment with inspections
I was thinking that growing in the second closet I could easily put up curtain on the clothes rack to cover tubs when needed
But I have no doubt I could do that outside the closet if need be
As for my little clean room thing I was thinking pvc so It could be taken down if need be , Kind of like a tent
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FrankHorrigan said: You should just make a tent with that plastic and not waste all your time and resources covering your walls and floor like a goof 
I have a small grow tent (3' x 3' x 6') I do my work inside of. A larger one would be ideal for your flowhood. If you don't have the money to drop on a nice one, just make one yourself.
It could sit in the closet and you could fill the room with tubs.
I was planning to make one for stuff like G2G and making monos but Im hoping by covering floors in the room i wont be kicking up spores and stuff when I walk around
And im planning to build one ASAP
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159083 - 11/19/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You'll be kicking up shit anyways, it will be all over the plastic that is sitting in open air
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159086 - 11/19/13 10:47 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kalypto said: I was planning to make one for stuff like G2G and making monos but Im hoping by covering floors in the room i wont be kicking up spores and stuff when I walk around
You are not going to be walking around when doing transfers....just let the air settle.
I work in my bedroom, which has 20 year old carpet and padding......I use a SAB and it works just fine.....
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: PussyFart]
#19159104 - 11/19/13 10:51 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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FrankHorrigan said: You'll be kicking up shit anyways, it will be all over the plastic that is sitting in open air 
True but Atleast with something sealed on the ground I can sterilize the floor
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Kalypto said: I was planning to make one for stuff like G2G and making monos but Im hoping by covering floors in the room i wont be kicking up spores and stuff when I walk around
You are not going to be walking around when doing transfers....just let the air settle.
I work in my bedroom, which has 20 year old carpet and padding......I use a SAB and it works just fine.....
I know , Im saying that I dont want to kick the possible contams up in the fruiting room , Even though they are contam resistant , I am tired of getting contaminations and while im sure a LFH will solve most of those problems Im willing to go the extra mile for some extra protection
Like today for example ill be buying high FPR filter to attempt to remove atleast some stuff from the air
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159119 - 11/19/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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You can't sterilize the floor. Nor do you need to, under any circumstances.
And airborne contams are going to still be there, even with a hepa filter running 24/7 there is airflow throughout your house.
Your flowhood will not scrub the whole room effectively, you need a smaller space. This is regardless of how much plastic you throw on the floor.
The reason for using good sterile technique is that you cannot completely eliminate airborne contams effectively, at least not at home.
You've been having loads of trouble since you got started, K-man, I remember. You should really just try to get your sterile technique and pasteurization and fruiting conditions down. You don't need a bunch of fancy bells and whistles, my house is old and nasty and I have great success with my little tent.
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Kalypto
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FrankHorrigan said: You can't sterilize the floor. Nor do you need to, under any circumstances.
And airborne contams are going to still be there, even with a hepa filter running 24/7 there is airflow throughout your house.
Your flowhood will not scrub the whole room effectively, you need a smaller space. This is regardless of how much plastic you throw on the floor.
The reason for using good sterile technique is that you cannot completely eliminate airborne contams effectively, at least not at home.
You've been having loads of trouble since you got started, K-man, I remember. You should really just try to get your sterile technique and pasteurization and fruiting conditions down. You don't need a bunch of fancy bells and whistles, my house is old and nasty and I have great success with my little tent.
I agree that I have has numerous problem and until recently I was doing a lot of that wrong
I used damions 50/50 for a long while then went to proper pasteurization but ended up steralizing all my substrate for awhile cause I was going to 180 as opposed to my current 150 core temp
I have also been working on my sterile procedure as well , I think I have got pretty good at it recently , although going over RRs video I realized since I have started growing again I have not been rubbing the jars down with alcohol before G2G, Since Im not doing jars anymore I guess ill need to rememebr to wipe down the bags
For fruiting conditions Ive been getting use to your tek on tuning my tubs if thats what you mean
But I will certainly continue to work on it.
If I'm not mistake I should just make a tent to work in and fruit outside the tent?
If so should I really take no precautions to keep my fruiting room free of contams? Well Im sure I should take some but not the floor If so what are they?
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FrankHorrigan said: You should really just try to get your sterile technique and pasteurization and fruiting conditions down. You don't need a bunch of fancy bells and whistles, my house is old and nasty and I have great success with my little tent.
My place is old and nasty and I have success using my kitchen table with a SAB.
No amount of external precaution is going to make up for the practice and abilities of yourself.
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If so should I really take no precautions to keep my fruiting room free of contams? Well Im sure I should take some but not the floor If so what are they?
You cant keep it free of contams anyway. Your fruits are going to need FAE of which the air part is inevitably loaded with contams.
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: bodhisatta]
#19159246 - 11/19/13 11:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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So we just do nothing?
Id rather do something to at least decrease the chance
Like im still going to get a great home air filter , not that I expect It to solve all my problems , but even if it could reduce airborne contaminates by 5% for the 5 dollars a month why not?
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159257 - 11/19/13 11:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I would recommend making a SAB because you're still going to need the good sterile procedure even with a LFH. When you get good at having success in there then think about spending money on upgrades. You can still get from A to B with a SAB there's no reason to give a 16 year old a Ferrari. You need the skills first.
As far as fruiting goes. If it contams before the first flush "you" did something wrong. If the grow gets contams after a few flushes then congratulations it worked now go dig a hole and throw it in there.
A SAB decreases the chance of contams while you do sterile work
Sterile work decreases the chance of contams when you spawn and fruit
fruiting doesn't have to be sterile. You could do it in a moldy damp basement (not that I recommend but you could)
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: bodhisatta]
#19159278 - 11/19/13 11:37 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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The two sides I see here is
1. If your spawn is good and you properly pasteurized, then airborne contaminants will not immediately infect your substrate.
2. If you leave a contaminated tub in your fruiting room, you risk contaminating future grows.
So, which is right? I think kalypto is asking about possibly reducing the airborne contaminants in his work/fruiting area.
If the exact tub was spawned in a cleaned room, and another in a carpet laden room that had a trich explosion. Would the tub in the clean room survive longer?
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: JohnnieYen]
#19159298 - 11/19/13 11:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bodhisatta said: I would recommend making a SAB because you're still going to need the good sterile procedure even with a LFH. When you get good at having success in there then think about spending money on upgrades. You can still get from A to B with a SAB there's no reason to give a 16 year old a Ferrari. You need the skills first.
As far as fruiting goes. If it contams before the first flush "you" did something wrong. If the grow gets contams after a few flushes then congratulations it worked now go dig a hole and throw it in there.
A SAB decreases the chance of contams while you do sterile work
Sterile work decreases the chance of contams when you spawn and fruit
fruiting doesn't have to be sterile. You could do it in a moldy damp basement (not that I recommend but you could)
You seriously think I work without a SAB or LFH?
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JohnnieYen said: The two sides I see here is
1. If your spawn is good and you properly pasteurized, then airborne contaminants will not immediately infect your substrate.
2. If you leave a contaminated tub in your fruiting room, you risk contaminating future grows.
So, which is right? I think kalypto is asking about possibly reducing the airborne contaminants in his work/fruiting area.
If the exact tub was spawned in a cleaned room, and another in a carpet laden room that had a trich explosion. Would the tub in the clean room survive longer?
Yeah , Im not saying its a substitute , just in addition
Edited by Kalypto (11/19/13 11:44 AM)
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159321 - 11/19/13 11:55 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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No, but I see you're trying to fix things that are not the problem. Find the root of the problem, fix that. Problem solved, no waist of money on fancy shit. Not like you could even buy your way out of poor sterile procedures anyway unless you want to have someone do it for you.
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: bodhisatta]
#19159337 - 11/19/13 12:00 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Honestly I probably would do it even If I wasnt having contam problems just It wouldnt be a priority ,I am dedicating a whole room to it why not make it nice
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Re: Home made lab tek help [Re: Kalypto]
#19159351 - 11/19/13 12:04 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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A small sterile area is better anyway. If you use a LFH in a tent it has way less air to scrub. No matter how nice the room is non sterile is still non sterile. Clean is good for sure and I'm not saying don't worry about that. There's good reason not to have you house where you're growing psychedelic mushrooms look like a lab, ya kno.
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