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aomoriakuma
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19155258 - 11/18/13 04:41 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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buy a PC. or just do pf tek.
did i get that right?
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Kizzle
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: aomoriakuma]
#19155473 - 11/18/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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buy a PC. or just do pf tek.
did i get that right?
Pretty much. There are way steam whole grains but the amount time involved for reliable results makes it inconvenient for many people.
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( oddly , noobs luck, some get by a grow or 2, so this always happens, second or third grow , and they have 4 giant bulks turning deep green, and then they pop up, and only after a bunch of debate, does everyone realize this character amounts to a single bucket and goat feces............* but they did the tek exactly, and used lots of lysol............" the spores musta been bad")
It's other way around because mold can't possible survive steaming, only some bacteria can. Trichoderma for instance is killed by 10 minutes at 140F. As soon as says 'contamination' and 'steamed' those facts are diregarded and the lack of PC gets blamed.
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19156141 - 11/18/13 06:45 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever
Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that 
im left aghast.
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joeyshabadoo
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19157806 - 11/19/13 12:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Krik said: Cool story, bro.
but if you're having success and you're not worried then fuck it.
Thread Title : no excuse to not pressure cook, ever
Way to stick to your guns.
you're right i actually should have named the thread "no excuse to not own a pressure cooker, ever".
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo]
#19158256 - 11/19/13 04:14 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Meh, I've done both. Had success with both. When I got the money, I bought a pressure cooker for peace of mind and ability to move up eventually to bulk methods.
The normal PF tek does work to near perfection if done right. But from a strictly scientific perspective, relative or total sterilization by pressure cooking increases the likelihood of success.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: aomoriakuma]
#19158589 - 11/19/13 08:01 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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aomoriakuma said: buy a PC. or just do pf tek.
did i get that right?
I have a Pressure Sterilizer in the marketplace, brand new in the box that runs silently. Plus it's a Sterilizer. Plus it's brand new in the box, and it hold 7 Qts, and it runs silently. Did I mention it was in the marketplace.
Need I say more?
Sterilizer
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JMcDoogle
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: bootster]
#19158601 - 11/19/13 08:05 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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bootster said:
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aomoriakuma said: buy a PC. or just do pf tek.
did i get that right?
I have a Pressure Sterilizer in the marketplace, brand new in the box that runs silently. Plus it's a Sterilizer. Plus it's brand new in the box, and it hold 7 Qts, and it runs silently. Did I mention it was in the marketplace.
Need I say more?
Sterilizer
Do not plug your marketplace ads in the cultivation forum,
PM a user if you must, but I believe this is against the rules.
The marketplace is for fair trade, the cultivation forum is not a method to advertise your items for sale.
Not trying to be a dick, but the cult forum would be over-run with hey I got this, or hey wanna trade this for that, in every forum from people who seek to rid of their items.
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BittrBuffalo
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: joeyshabadoo] 1
#19158857 - 11/19/13 09:44 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Most people are advised to get a pressure canner, which is what you actually need. Pressure cookers are too small to get anything done. If you get one that's worth anything, they can be quite expensive. And ( you guys), the Shroomery is full of tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy. So anyone unaccustomed to PCing believes this.
AA canners are expensive, indeed all pressure canners are. Many people cannot find them in their area, so, being that they are also very heavy, buying one on the internet and having it shipped can be prohibitively expensive. AND--If you are unsure you want to get into this hobby, PF cakes and steam canners (which actually do cost about $20 at Walmart--at least when I bought one maybe 10 years ago) are the practical choice.
So...there is a perfectly good reason to not have one.
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InTheBiggun
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19159280 - 11/19/13 11:38 AM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Why is it better to PC manure than to pasteurize?
Could the OP elaborate on how pasteurizing subs is bad practice?
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: BittrBuffalo]
#19159469 - 11/19/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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BittrBuffalo said: tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy.
dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?
guess i am, i have 2. @ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent. its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.
what this boils down to is the crop. if ya just want a lucky handful, use the microwave.
anyone wanting a tangible , reliable, and serious consistant crop, a cooker is required.
i saw a guy grow a pot plant once with a 60W incandescent light bulb. we got 5-6 hits off the buds 10 months later. all kinds of things can be done. dont trifle yourself.
and the steam punks, wonder why the serious growers balk.
as for bigguns, theres nothing wrong with pastuerization. problem is , its often used as a shortcut by peeps that are unable to effectively master sterile practice.
most often , the same lack of skill applies to pasteurization. hence, the common trichy tub.
pastuerization, works when its done right. now get em to do it right............ easier to tell em to get a cooker.
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JMcDoogle
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
#19159523 - 11/19/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said:
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BittrBuffalo said: tag whores that wholeheartedly believe that AA is the only way to fly and everything else is Unworthy.
dont ya love how anyone but oliver twist is an elitist?
guess i am, i have 2. @ $ 250 each, best $500 i ever spent. its dumb to have to buy new cooker seals every 2-3 months.
what this boils down to is the crop. if ya just want a lucky handful, use the microwave.
anyone wanting a tangible , reliable, and serious consistant crop, a cooker is required.
i saw a guy grow a pot plant once with a 60W incandescent light bulb. we got 5-6 hits off the buds 10 months later. all kinds of things can be done. dont trifle yourself.
and the steam punks, wonder why the serious growers balk.
as for bigguns, theres nothing wrong with pastuerization. problem is , its often used as a shortcut by peeps that are unable to effectively master sterile practice.
most often , the same lack of skill applies to pasteurization. hence, the common trichy tub.
pastuerization, works when its done right. now get em to do it right............ easier to tell em to get a cooker.
You talk funny.
Although, I agree with your.. uh.. statements..questions..demands?
On the other hand, some people do want to experience bulk, though cannot afford a 250$ PC. Spending a few dollars for a seal two three times a year on a 80 dollar pressure cooker that works ideally is good enough for me, and a lot of other people.
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: JMcDoogle]
#19159578 - 11/19/13 01:01 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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and thats fine.
as said, we can only take your grow as serious as you do.
some dont have the luxury, of waiting on seals in the mail. or boiling for 8 hours, or unlimited fuel and heat values, or ,the time to deal with lost crops and disposal.
i suppose boiling cauldrons for hours/ days, is a wonderful idea for peeps in farm houses in the arctic.
now convince the peeps who live in tropical urban areas. those peeps have issues with smell and heat values.
fact is, best approach, is most reliable, and works everywhere. steaming, does not meet those standards.
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TheApprentice
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: Kizzle]
#19159632 - 11/19/13 01:15 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever
Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that 
lol. Ya.
late night PC runs. Setting alarms to wake up and shut off stove.
then another alarm to wake up and take out the jars and start the new run after the PC cools down.
that shit alone will piss off a sleeping baby, let alone the sound the PC makes coming to pressure initially!
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Kizzle
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19159642 - 11/19/13 01:18 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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Kizzle said:
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no excuse to not pressure cook, ever
Try pressure cooking with a sleeping baby nearby and say that 
lol. Ya.
late night PC runs. Setting alarms to wake up and shut off stove.
then another alarm to wake up and take out the jars and start the new run after the PC cools down.
that shit alone will piss off a sleeping baby, let alone the sound the PC makes coming to pressure initially!
Ueah try I might I can't seem to avoid those pressure releases completely. Seems like if I even walk to the thing is does it
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19159651 - 11/19/13 01:21 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?
i envision a trailer, a trich tub, a giant boiling pot, paper clips on he lid , and a crib by the table, with a cat laying on the fridge top........ along with the mandatory trash barrel and no bag over flowing, lysol in the air, and a furnace filter that would eclipse a vegas spotlight.
sounds serene, but its insane.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
#19159678 - 11/19/13 01:28 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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anne halonium said: is anyone else aghast that peeps have bio grow ops around infants?
lol no. Don't be a weirdo
its just a vegetable, not a meth lab
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19159690 - 11/19/13 01:31 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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any concept of the potential bio toxins with a contamed grow?
fact is you aint growing a carrot by the shed, your growing fungi, in a bio op.
all this is peachy fun for adults.
infants.......... it is not advisable for about 50 obvious reasons. ( the first 49, ending with "DUH")
id suggest , by modern standards of sanity, that a "wierdo" would be a hack shroom grower with an infant assistant. feel free to quote me.
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: TheApprentice]
#19159751 - 11/19/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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At first I planned on buying one, but it's always worked for me to sterilize my BRF cakes or pints of Rye in cauldron for 90 minutes with the lid on. I've done over 100 pint jars of Rye without any contaminations as of yet.
With the results I'm getting, I really don't see a use for the pressure cooker. My same pot is used to pasteurize my bulk substrate and casings. 
AM I JUST LUCKY OR WHAT?! I even let them cool on the counter right after sterilizing. My guess is that the SFD's are doing their job of filtering the air being sucked in due to the temperature change.
Until I start seeing problems, I won't be investing in a big AA pressure canner/cooker. :p
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anne halonium
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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
#19159793 - 11/19/13 01:57 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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not buying it. ive seen %1 PC loss , using grains in clean rooms, with flow hoods, and tyvek suits , and pro handling.
if your that lucky , god bless
scientific standard for labs is a PC. luck and skill are not interchangeable values.
if you grow by luck, you miss the point.
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Gorlami



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Re: no excuse to not pressure cook, ever. [Re: anne halonium]
#19159849 - 11/19/13 02:10 PM (10 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've lost about 5 to contams after doing G2G in a SAB. Could have been that they weren't properly sterilized to begin with... who knows. Regardless, I've been quite successful without the PC! 
I live in a newly constructed residence... in a cold climate, could have something to do with it. But i've been quite lucky as of yet. 
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