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Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte?
    #19158408 - 11/19/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Good day fellow fungi s and gals.

I'm wondering if I put a 5 gallon bucket through a Industrial washing machine (like in restaurants) to sterilize it and got it filled 3/4 of the way with well brewed matte just like they do coffee at a coffee shop.

If they kept the airtight lid on it between openings and I got it filled fast with steaming hot matte substrate (which is finely ground up and then dried first) straight from the machine and used it to inoculate that same day and did all I could to keep the environment sterile.

Do you guys think that certain mushrooms would be able to cake the substrate and potentially benefit from the substrate being organic and high in medicinal benefits?

I looked around everywhere on here and in my books and didn't ever see anything about ground matte leaves or any kind of tea leaves.

If anyone knows anything experience wise on using tea, matte, or 5 gallon buckets in a tek please feel free to share any short comings or benefits from it and any suggestions to make my theoretical tek better.

Thanks a ton guys. Hope I can be a grand addition to the mushroom movement. Mushrooms will save the world!


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158416 - 11/19/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

This would certainly fail. Stick with known teks if you want to have success.

The kind of mushrooms we like to grow love grains. Keep that in mind


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19158424 - 11/19/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I figured as much. but i still wanna see if the 5 gallon bucket idea would work with coffee. That would still work if it were all pasteurized and sterile right?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158492 - 11/19/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Pasteurization and sterilization are 2 completely different things.

It would be senseless to sterilize a bucket, and then expose it to open air so it immediately becomes unsterile.

Spawning is not a sterile process.....and coffee needs to be properly pasteurized....

Do not make the whole substrate coffee....just use it as an additive to your coir or manure.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158529 - 11/19/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Thank you for being very clear on the ins and outs of my tek idea. Its clear I have much to learn about doing this resourcefully. I suppose im off to the co-op to get me some rye seed today.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158727 - 11/19/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Im not sure if you're new, Im a noob myself.

but I would avoid the coffee until your technique is
more refined. A lot of new cultivators "blame" coffee on
their contamination, and to avoid that culprit, I would avoid
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Just sayin' ...

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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19158734 - 11/19/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Im not sure if you're new, Im a noob myself.

but I would avoid the coffee until your technique is
more refined. A lot of new cultivators "blame" coffee on
their contamination, and to avoid that culprit, I would avoid
it.

Just sayin' ...

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Well thanks man I appreciate that info. I intend on using organic coffee grounds and organic rye seed and hopefully it will do well after the ol' pressure cooker.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158939 - 11/19/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Well thanks man I appreciate that info. I intend on using organic coffee grounds and organic rye seed and hopefully it will do well after the ol' pressure cooker.



Sterilizing it instead of pasteurizing it is only going to make it more seceptiple to contams....


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158941 - 11/19/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Well I meant Id pasteurize the substrate and sterilize the container using a dishwasher like in restaurants. In theory wouldn't a 5 gallon bucket cake up if you took care of it?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158949 - 11/19/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

There is no need to sterilize any containers....as soon as they hit open air they become unsterile, meaning you just wasted your time.

Pasteurizing/spawning/fruiting are not sterile processes....NOTHING has to be sterile at this point....just clean.

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In theory wouldn't a 5 gallon bucket cake up if you took care of it?



Not even sure what you mean by this....


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158963 - 11/19/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I mean if you cleaned the bucket that well and put pasteurized substrate in a sealed airtight 5 gallon bucket. And you kept it in a dark, cozy place. Wouldn't it turn into a large mycelium cake inside similar to a jar? I know the matte substrate wont work but if the substrate were better say grain or something. It would make it to the fruiting stage wouldn't it?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158974 - 11/19/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If you mixed pasteurized substrate with spawn, it will colonize in any container.

If this container is sealed air tight, it will not be able to breathe, you need some GE(Gas Exchange).

The imperfect lid on monotubs usually takes care of this.

And there is no need to keep anything in the dark....

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158991 - 11/19/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Until you fully understand pastuerization and the difference between that and sterilization and have a technique down I would stick with coir and verm a bucket will work as a fc but honestly imo a mono is way easier


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159003 - 11/19/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Mycelium likes light to grow.

You probably couldn't seal a bucket air tight using just a lid but doing so would be undesirable because mycelium needs gas exchange (GE) to grow. There is a reason we use filtered lids when doing grains. Theoretically it might be possible to use a 5gal bucket if It was pp5 and you could subject it to 15psj to sterilize your grains or whatever you were going to use to spawn. It would likely take forever and not be even remotely worthwhile.


I'm not an expert, things I've said might be wrong, but I think I'm steering you right. You need to do an establish tek first because you don't understand the principles of growing yet. First learn the rules before you break them...first rule of art.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159004 - 11/19/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah everytime Id grow em wed keep em tucked away so they were in a closet with a Blacklight. The LEDs work well too. Something about mushrooms. They almost seem to favor certain color LEDs more than others. Dependent on species if I were to guess but I'd have no idea why. But I know when we used blacklights or colors that weren't too powerful. They could sit in those things up to harvest from the start and they'd BOOM!

Got a little reminiscent. Reminds me of the good ol' days in high school with my buddies.

So yeah I figured id slide it out and try cutting it in half and try one whole and see which produces more fruit. I'd imagine if you cut it in half and laid both flat sides down in pearlite in a tub with holes it would do better having more room to breathe. Of course a whole cylinder may do better too being able to grow like a tree almost.

Would they both spawn the same amount of fruit?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19159010 - 11/19/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Until you fully understand pastuerization and the difference between that and sterilization and have a technique down I would stick with coir and verm a bucket will work as a fc but honestly imo a mono is way easier




I understand the difference quite well my friend.

Oh and I figured Id use the gas exchange tape like they have on all the cans and bags I see everywhere. I imagine it would work fine with a few holes drilled in the top and some of that tape.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159024 - 11/19/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

5000-6500K light, just like NAH said. I say this a lot: listen to NAH. He knows what is up.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: sytar]
    #19159039 - 11/19/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Mycelium likes light to grow.

You probably couldn't seal a bucket air tight using just a lid but doing so would be undesirable because mycelium needs gas exchange (GE) to grow. There is a reason we use filtered lids when doing grains. Theoretically it might be possible to use a 5gal bucket if It was pp5 and you could subject it to 15psj to sterilize your grains or whatever you were going to use to spawn. It would likely take forever and not be even remotely worthwhile.


I'm not an expert, things I've said might be wrong, but I think I'm steering you right. You need to do an establish tek first because you don't understand the principles of growing yet. First learn the rules before you break them...first rule of art.





Listen. The community is new to me. But I've flopped around with mushrooms for a few years. We can dunk and roll till were blue in the face. I know how to do castings and plugs and all that stuff.
I'm in here to see if anyone had feedback about my experimental tek friend. And what I'm gathering is that my only problem may be gas exchange. But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container using the same hot water vapor sort of method. Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright. I just didnt know if anyone had past experience with a 5 gallon bucket.

Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe. If I got it down right Thats a damn nice come back on supplies. Even if the batch takes a little more time.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159068 - 11/19/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container



Not sure why you insist on sterilizing the container, but hey, it's your time wasted, not mine.....

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Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright.



Will it now?

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Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe.



And a bunch of wasted time for nothing.

Knock up grains with the wedge, and then mix the grains with the substrate.

Knocking up a bulk substrate with a spore syringe has failed more times than I care to link to.

And a few agar wedges will take forever to colonize the substrate....this is why we use thousands of grains as inoculation points....so the substrate actually colonizes in a realistic amount of time.

Regardless of how much you think you know, if this is what your idea of an experiment is I have to tell ya, it is set up to fail.

You should start with grains, then spawn them to coir/verm monotub....then experiment once you understand how this works.

Because you obviously do not......Harsh maybe.....helpful definitely.....but i can only lead a horse to water....i cannot make it drink.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: sytar]
    #19159072 - 11/19/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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5000-6500K light, just like NAH said. I say this a lot: listen to NAH. He knows what is up.





I actually have one of these for my cacti and aloe. But I don't leave it on all day. So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.

I'm just speaking for back a few years we used those cause its all we had and it made em go nuts. For kids dicking around in a closet we got some killer harvests. And thats how we did it. I'm open to try the 5000K on my next batch.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159080 - 11/19/13 10:46 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.



CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....

http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=

You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....

Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159123 - 11/19/13 10:55 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container



Not sure why you insist on sterilizing the container, but hey, it's your time wasted, not mine.....

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Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright.



Will it now?

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Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe.



And a bunch of wasted time for nothing.

Knock up grains with the wedge, and then mix the grains with the substrate.

Knocking up a bulk substrate with a spore syringe has failed more times than I care to link to.

And a few agar wedges will take forever to colonize the substrate....this is why we use thousands of grains as inoculation points....so the substrate actually colonizes in a realistic amount of time.

Regardless of how much you think you know, if this is what your idea of an experiment is I have to tell ya, it is set up to fail.

You should start with grains, then spawn them to coir/verm monotub....then experiment once you understand how this works.

Because you obviously do not......Harsh maybe.....helpful definitely.....but i can only lead a horse to water....i cannot make it drink.




I'll remember that. It makes since I'd need a culture.
I've never done anything bigger than Ball mason jars.
I'm still gonna try it despite how much your forcing yourself against me. Now that I've got my personal space back. I believe firmly in nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm aware of the need of grains. I'm aware of the opinion you carry that it won't work. But if I get it to. Then it may turn into a descent bulk tek at some point.
We can sit here for days showing our egos and being know it all's but as someone who doesn't believe in impossible. I'm gonna check it out. If it sucks I'll just use another tek on here.

But I'd say theres a good chance this would work for bulk oyster harvests.
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So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.



CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....

http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=

You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....

Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......



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So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.



CFLs do not overheat...they barely get warm....

http://www.lowes.com/pd_302257-3-26966_0__?productId=3202347&Ntt=sylvania+daylight&pl=1¤tURL=%3FNtt%3Dsylvania%2Bdaylight&facetInfo=

You want those on a 12/12.....not "mellow colored" lighting.....

Whatever you chose to use, just make sure it's between 5000K and 7000K......




I meant we used those in comparison to normal lights we had that would have overheated and blown.

Clearly I'm talking about "then" as compared to now and your taking my "then" as now. Were getting in a difficult and unending circle bud.

Okay. Fresh start here. So In theory. If I did my substrate right. And nailed gas exchange pretty well and got a very heavy inoculation. We should be in business right? 5 gallon buckets ftw?:thumbup:


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159137 - 11/19/13 10:58 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Your bucket will be clean, but it won't be sterile after you open it in the open air.

If you put an agar wedge in those conditions, the un-colonized part of the agar will grow contams and rapidly spread through your substrate.

I don't know how susceptible pasteurized matte is to contamination, but I think it would grow contams before your MS spores would have time germinate and colonize. Spores really need to go on sterlized media.

If you inoculate a pasteurized substrate with anything highly nutritious, like agar or grains, then the inoculant must be 100% colonized or it will likely result in contamination.

If you want to experiment with matte in this way, I would do it on a small more controllable scale than a bucket.

I suggest using quart jars. Then you could sterilize the matte in the jar and keep it sterile and inoculate with whatever you want.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19159164 - 11/19/13 11:07 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Your bucket will be clean, but it won't be sterile after you open it in the open air.

If you put an agar wedge in those conditions, the un-colonized part of the agar will grow contams and rapidly spread through your substrate.

I don't know how susceptible pasteurized matte is to contamination, but I think it would grow contams before your MS spores would have time germinate and colonize. Spores really need to go on sterlized media.

If you inoculate a pasteurized substrate with anything highly nutritious, like agar or grains, then the inoculant must be 100% colonized or it will likely result in contamination.

If you want to experiment with matte in this way, I would do it on a small more controllable scale than a bucket.

I suggest using quart jars. Then you could sterilize the matte in the jar and keep it sterile and inoculate with whatever you want.





5 mushrooms for you sir your spot on. I was thinking try it in small amounts with matte but after these guys said mattes really difficult due to contamination I was thinking a better substrate like Rye berries and coffee would do well. I've been curious about the bird seed teks I've been seeing alot. They seem to do really well and fairly quickly as well. I think itll just take time for the substrate to mix well with the size. But I know I can figure it out. Thanks guys for giving me insight as to what I need to adjust before I attempt this tek.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: SpitballJedi]
    #19159179 - 11/19/13 11:10 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Okay Spitball Nevermind. I'll hit you with that 5 mushrooms when I get my 50 posts done. Thanks for being clear and taking the time to read and understand what was being explained. Your feedback was excellent.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159348 - 11/19/13 12:03 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

If all you're trying to do is make a cake add brewed coffee and water and some gypsum but how would you
sterilize the grains from that point and shaking would be a bitch a 5 gallon bucket would take forever to colonize that's why we use quart jars or spawn bags.  Maybe I'm lost at what you're trying to do. :shrug:


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19159365 - 11/19/13 12:08 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If all you're trying to do is make a cake add brewed coffee and water and some gypsum but how would you
sterilize the grains from that point and shaking would be a bitch a 5 gallon bucket would take forever to colonize that's why we use quart jars or spawn bags.  Maybe I'm lost at what you're trying to do. :shrug:




Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go! When you have an entire cafe kitchen at your disposal I'm sure theres many ways to get that substrate ready even in the bucket.


I figure if spawn bags work well then spawn buckets may not suck. Especially if that cakes and I can split it. That's a whole bin full. Really really full.


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    #19159383 - 11/19/13 12:14 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!



What do you mean by "zap it"?

Why 200 degrees?  What would that do?

That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....


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    #19159388 - 11/19/13 12:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

So you're sterilizing a sub then introducing it to the very contaminates you just sterilized it against by reopening the bucket?  And zapping it with 200 degrees is not proper sterilization that is why we pc @ 15psi for 90 min., but more power to you i guess. :lol:


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    #19159404 - 11/19/13 12:19 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!



What do you mean by "zap it"?

Why 200 degrees?  What would that do?

That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....



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Dude if you put a bucket full of substrate that was just brewed. Fill the bucket and zap it to almost 200 degrees a few times and she's good to go!



What do you mean by "zap it"?

Why 200 degrees?  What would that do?

That is neither sterilization nor pasteurization.....



He's trying to bucket tek grains :laugh2:



This bucket fills me with awe and wonder. Do not underestimate the bucket. But seriously have you never seen the huge brewers they have and machine they use to wash dishes. I was throwing a number out there cause I know most of em get that high at least.

But essentially youd sterilize the bucket in there. Add substrate thats pasteurized and put it in again to give it a sterile finish from opening it for substrates/inoculation.  Look clearly I just need to go and try it once I finally get some spores. I figure if the oyster cant do it nothing could. If its awesome I'll throw up a tek. If it sucks i'll come back and let you dance on my failure.


Now everyone wins :thumbup:

Anyways all I need at this point is a culture to test the theory.
Though I'm unsure as to the quality of whatever so id do jars and probably inoculate it with a lively big boy of rye seed. Itd inoculate well and mix right in.


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    #19159434 - 11/19/13 12:28 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates. Thats the way the story goes.

Although I know people who do scary peroxide stuff with straw. But just so everyones clear. I'm speaking of using both in one tek using professional kitchen equipment. Now let's stop mixing things up here and keep things professional :awenuhuh:


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    #19159444 - 11/19/13 12:31 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates.



Is this why you plan on pasteurizing the substrate in the same machine that sterilized the bucket in?


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    #19159477 - 11/19/13 12:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

for this to work you would need to pastureize the sub after you had grain spawn fully colonized, then mix them together in the bucket and let colonize for a week or......

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Remember kids, We sterilize equipment and pasteurize substrates. Thats the way the story goes.







i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best, unless im doing transfer with my scalpel and thats with clean burning fuel til red hot


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i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best



So you do not flame sterilize your tools?(needles, scalples, loops, etc.)


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    #19159505 - 11/19/13 12:46 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm all for experiments. I'm even a fan of trying things not recommended if there is a chance of learning exactly why they are not recommended or if there is a possibility of learning where the pitfalls lie and thus getting a better chance of making it work or figuring how to make the concept applicable elsewhere. But to do something like what your suggesting OP not only has pretty much zero chance of working, but also has no further application elsewhere. You want to create a massive cake. Fine. But I gotta ask what's the end game? You certainly are not going to maximize fruiting area relative to the amount of sub your using. Colonization time will not be improved. Yield will not benefit. Mycelium expansion is not hard on smaller scale and we already have ill advised means of speeding that process up that at least have the virtue of being successful sometimes. This is fail for the sake of fail. There is no upside to this experiment, nor is there anything that could be learned. Why not inoculate a dumpster with some spores? Might cost less and the trash you end up with will already be where it belongs :shrug:

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i dont sterilize any of my equipment soapy water at best



So you do not flame sterilize your tools?(needles, scalples, loops, etc.)




I flame sterilize all my tools before and after use. Isn't the #1 rule of mycology keeping your stuff sterile?


And the process works like this. Colonize a large jar of grain.
Sterilize bucket. Fill bucket inside sterilizing chamber with pasteurized substrate. Seal and put in machine again to sterilize anything that may have tried to get at my fun little guys. With proper gas exchange and plenty of shaking it should cake up just fine.

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    #19159530 - 11/19/13 12:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Sterilize bucket.



Useless step....but good luck sir....I am done here.....report back with your progress.


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    #19159532 - 11/19/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm all for experiments. I'm even a fan of trying things not recommended if there is a chance of learning exactly why they are not recommended or if there is a possibility of learning where the pitfalls lie and thus getting a better chance of making it work or figuring how to make the concept applicable elsewhere. But to do something like what your suggesting OP not only has pretty much zero chance of working, but also has no further application elsewhere. You want to create a massive cake. Fine. But I gotta ask what's the end game? You certainly are not going to maximize fruiting area relative to the amount of sub your using. Colonization time will not be improved. Yield will not benefit. Mycelium expansion is not hard on smaller scale and we already have ill advised means of speeding that process up that at least have the virtue of being successful sometimes. This is fail for the sake of fail. There is no upside to this experiment, nor is there anything that could be learned. Why not inoculate a dumpster with some spores? Might cost less and the trash you end up with will already be where it belongs :shrug:

Nonetheless this has been an amusing read and for that I thank you :super:




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    #19159552 - 11/19/13 12:55 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sterilized sub will not colonize without grain spawn. There is not enough nutes in most subs to colonize effectively without grain spawn. At which point you could just colonize your grain, spawn it to the pasteurized sub, and have your giant 5 gallon bulk cake. But it would still be a waste.


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    #19159562 - 11/19/13 12:57 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

still stuck on sterilizing that bucket i see.  and no none of it makes sense :smile:.  to make a big cake your gonna need to mix brf really really dry sterilize it in bucket then nocc it up with a whole shit ton of innoculant.

:goodluckwiththat:

using colonized grains with proper pastuerized sub in a monotub is a big cake.

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    #19159598 - 11/19/13 01:05 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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still stuck on sterilizing that bucket i see.  and no none of it makes sense :smile:.  to make a big cake your gonna need to mix brf really really dry sterilize it in bucket then nocc it up with a whole shit ton of innoculant.

:goodluckwiththat:

using colonized grains with proper pastuerized sub in a monotub is a big cake.

we already did it




That's the plan. I got a dream and a bucket. And damnit I'm gonna make that cake!

But seriously. I'll put up posts of images and such when I got it going. And if it fails I'll come here with fail pics. And I expect some damn spiffy jokes. Cause If I do fail and I have to come back to a bunch of unfunny comments it will all be worth not.


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    #19159636 - 11/19/13 01:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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    #19159712 - 11/19/13 01:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Why wouldn't you just do a g2g to spawn bags or quart jars?  You could expand your spawn so much faster and more efficiently.


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Why wouldn't you just do a g2g to spawn bags or quart jars?  You could expand your spawn so much faster and more efficiently.



It's an experiment.....




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Why wouldn't you just do a g2g to spawn bags or quart jars?  You could expand your spawn so much faster and more efficiently.



It's an experiment.....




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    #19160090 - 11/19/13 03:00 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think the only valid aspect of this experiment is to test the validity of used matte in mycology.

The only way to test it is to have a proper test.

Your experiment will fail; I know for a fact it will. I know this to be fact because of the method that you've lined out.

When it does fail, you will still not know if spent matte has any use in mycology. To learn this, the test has to be proper.


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    #19160112 - 11/19/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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FANTASTIC!!!!! I've been in tears from this for awhile. Just fantastic:thumbup:


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    #19160128 - 11/19/13 03:12 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Why wouldn't you just do a g2g to spawn bags or quart jars?  You could expand your spawn so much faster and more efficiently.




Gotta pay bills homie. Unless your looking to set me up with some freebies It would appear I am sticking with scraps until funds are available after december.

But seriously this was a great thread! Hilarious! Now. Despite your thoughts on my ability to myco myself out of a paper bag. I'm gonna make this damn bucket. YOU GOT ME!?:awenuhuh:


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    #19160224 - 11/19/13 03:32 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This guy uses 5 gallon buckets with success

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18892960/fpart/1/vc/1




People gotta learn what this threads about. It's an experimental tek. Hes just using a different substrate. We've been through this. Now if we can't pass this class I'm going to have to fail you all!

But seriously. There can't be anyone stupid enough to post info thats already present. Oh what? WHAT!? THERE IS?! THEY'RE HERE?! AND THERE'S MORE THAN ONE OF EM'?! oh....my...god.....

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    #19160274 - 11/19/13 03:41 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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If anyone knows anything experience wise on using tea, matte, or 5 gallon buckets in a tek please feel free to share any short comings or benefits from it and any suggestions to make my theoretical tek better.





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    #19160332 - 11/19/13 03:54 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

yeah but if you don't have the mental capacity to read whats already been said in the thread then you clearly don't have the mental capacity to post a response. That's what a response is. And when that same response is said 50 times by 50 different people it doesn't really do jack for anyone does it?

yeah but if you don't have the mental capacity to read whats already been said in the thread then you clearly don't have the mental capacity to post a response. That's what a response is. And when that same response is said 50 times by 50 different people it doesn't really do jack for anyone does it?

yeah but if you don't have the mental capacity to read whats already been said in the thread then you clearly don't have the mental capacity to post a response. That's what a response is. And when that same response is said 50 times by 50 different people it doesn't really do jack for anyone does it?

Get it now?
I hope someone does because I didn't expect to come here and deal with a bunch of parrots regurgitating the same thing one after another. Its occurring in many threads and is very, very, VERY far from reaching the purpose of my time on here.

I'm here to learn and to be helped by the community and in turn I will return that. But If were all just gonna sit here copying and pasting what people already said then your abusing this thread, forum, and community with your own shortcomings.  Now someone close this damn thread. It's clear it's not gonna get me the help I'm asking for.


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    #19160365 - 11/19/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Can't tell if troll... or really, really stupid. At one point he said he wants to sterilize the bucket, OPEN IT UP, put pasteurized substrate in it, THEN RESTERILIZE IT. What the fuck?

Why would you waste time sterilizing a bucket, then adding pasteurized substrate, then sterilize it all over again? 1) you don't sterilize substrate. 2) if you insisted on it, you could skip the bucket sterilization, and the pasteurization, and do both of those steps with one sterilization.

Final note: I don't care what kind of kitchen equipment you have, your fancy dishwasher isn't sterilizing anything.

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    #19160393 - 11/19/13 04:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Fill bucket inside sterilizing chamber with pasteurized substrate. Seal and put in machine again to sterilize anything that may have tried to get at my fun little guys.




If you put your colonized spawn and pasteurized substrate into a "sterilizer machine" you will, first, no longer have a pasteurized substrate. You will have a sterilized substrate and this is bad, more prone to contams. Second, you will have killed all the live mycelium on your spawn. You will definitely be growing a bucket of mold.

People here, especially NAH have been very patient with you and tried to help. You need to treat NAH with more respect. He answers every UTFSE newbs' questions around here without giving any attitude. He helps stubborn fools who can't listen to good advice (like you) without being a dick about it when he would be perfectly justified in doing so. He knows what he is talking about. He wasn't in some ego competition with you, he was trying to help you despite you ego tripping all over him. He is like a mycogod compared to you; it wouldn't even make sense to get in a PE measuring contest. Not trying to be harsh but damn man you need to learn some humility and listen to people who know way more who are trying to help. I'm not one of those but NAH sure is.


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    #19160417 - 11/19/13 04:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Sorry OP I not trying to be a parrot. But your not listening. Everything aside, your sterilized bucket, your plethora of restaurant equipment, the untested sub you wish to use, none of it matters. You can't grow on it without clean, fully colonized spawn. Without spawn there is simply not enough nutes or inoculation points to colonize the sub before contams set in. Without that there is no way you are going to grow anything, and I don't care if it's sterilized, pasteurized, or sodomized. By the logic of your experiment, I could sterilize my shoes, inject spores and grow mushies. Sorry it does not work that way. Fact is;

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Sterilized sub will not colonize without grain spawn. There is not enough nutes in most subs to colonize effectively without grain spawn.




Until you figure that out, your experiment is worthless.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #19160466 - 11/19/13 04:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I respect your attitude and your desire to experiment, but you have some reading to do. If you want to do a monobucket, then there are teks on these forums that cover it pretty well. I like your enginuity with the dishwasher, but 200 degrees will PARTIALLY sterilize any bulk substrate which is a no go. Follow the time tested teks for a couple months and if you still want to do this, then by all means do it. Of course I can't stop you, but I can try to help you. Do what you will, but remember that the people here have years of growing experience and they only want to help you.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19160629 - 11/19/13 04:53 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I respect your attitude and your desire to experiment, but you have some reading to do. If you want to do a monobucket, then there are teks on these forums that cover it pretty well. I like your enginuity with the dishwasher, but 200 degrees will PARTIALLY sterilize any bulk substrate which is a no go. Follow the time tested teks for a couple months and if you still want to do this, then by all means do it. Of course I can't stop you, but I can try to help you. Do what you will, but remember that the people here have years of growing experience and they only want to help you.






I understand people wanna help.
Things that dont help me are spewing common sense at me over and over like Im some retard. Not to mention that People expect me to penny up for a sample for my own inoculation. Instead of just paying to send a print back. Am I supposed to rape everyone's pockets who asks for help as well? I asked for help getting a start with growing. Build off the community to help the community grow more. And for some info on whether or not a tek would work. I got called a newbie six ways to sunday while all these people (aside from the few sincere people being helpful) sit here and say the same thing over and over and over. Clearly people dont understand that the bucket tek I was shown is like a more primitive version of what I wanted to do except with matte. So maybe everyone doesnt get what Im saying. It doesnt mean Im stupid. Maybe your stupid. Maybe we both are. Maybe we both dont understand what the fuck were even trying to talk about. But to have a community just talk down to me about my ideas because they can't make sense of them. And to tell me I'm a jobless fuck when I'm asking for a freebie so I can give back because I dont like exchanging money. I dont fuck with this stupid monkey man illusion of value in a green rectangle of paper. I make enough money to pay my rent and my car. Just enough to where Im catching up at the end of each week. So because the economy is shit and I dont wanna support this fucking insanity that is global economy. And wanna do stuff like communities traditionally do. Like I live. Like I was raised. So because I can't bring myself to such a low standard to where Ill torture anyone who wants help for 68 cents. That sets me apart from anyone else here?

Tell you what if it does. The only thing that separates us is a long long gap of humanity. I can help a human even with normal life things. Like mycology. And it's not even a big deal if I get shit back. But when the whole community operates like this.

Fucking sick man. Sick. And not the guy im replying to. He wasnt bad. but for you guys who support the way you behave like this. You should feel really fucking disgusting. Like worse than any bucket cluster fuck I may be too stupid to understand would ever come out.

Go get one from the store, go get one from the wild. In a city in the winter in the stores im trying to fill with the mushrooms Id have to buy to get my own culture.

And now Ive come full circle this entire spectrum of ass backwards logic.

I'll go find a new passion. The mushroom culture is full of greedy dickheads. My friend made this site sound like the happiest place on earth. But its fucking terrible. Just terrible. I thought itd be friends and spreading spores all over the world. But it's just another money hungry monster like everything else. Sick.

Sorry I caused such a disruption within your community. Good day all. And may your desires be brought to life.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19160705 - 11/19/13 05:06 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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This guy uses 5 gallon buckets with success

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18892960/fpart/1/vc/1




So I show you a successful bucket grow with minimal materials and you go off and say I have no mental capacity.

No one called you an idiot or noob, we were just trying to save you some time.

Do you know how many posters come here with their innovative revolutionary teks? we are here to help and show why things don't work. Why not do both ways and PROVE to us that your way works before spouting off.

And don't expect people to provide you with spores with your shitty attitude.

I would have sent you a couple prints if you acted with a little more tact.

But instead you get a zero rating.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19160715 - 11/19/13 05:09 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)



Who the fuck is talking about exchanging money, lolwut? Did I miss something?

It's funny how you give up so easily. People were genuinely trying to help, while others liked to have a laugh. Handle your criticism better in life or you won't get anywhere.

Also, this is the happiest place on the earth, but most don't have time for egocentric ignorance. Good day!

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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: JohnnieYen]
    #19160748 - 11/19/13 05:15 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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JohnnieYen said:
This guy uses 5 gallon buckets with success

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18892960/fpart/1/vc/1




So I show you a successful bucket grow with minimal materials and you go off and say I have no mental capacity.

No one called you an idiot or noob, we were just trying to save you some time.

Do you know how many posters come here with their innovative revolutionary teks? we are here to help and show why things don't work. Why not do both ways and PROVE to us that your way works before spouting off.

And don't expect people to provide you with spores with your shitty attitude.

I would have sent you a couple prints if you acted with a little more tact.

But instead you get a zero rating.





Your totally right. Im being a total dick and a whiney little cuss. And nobody here deserves that. Im sorry guys. Just between the shit im coming down from and not sleeping for a few days straight im probably just being a total and complete douchebag.

Nobody here deserves that kind of treatment and I do apologize. When I get more normal youll be able to tell. And If I can do anything within my means to right the wrong Ive committed then please let me know.

If anyone would be kind enough to help out that would be great. I'd return the favor anyway I can. If not thats fine It wouldnt suprise me. I just came off like a total needy little prick whos entitled to something I prolly dont know all that much about as it is. Ill post up how the tek goes.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #19160754 - 11/19/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Who the fuck is talking about exchanging money, lolwut? Did I miss something?

It's funny how you give up so easily. People were genuinely trying to help, while others liked to have a laugh. Handle your criticism better in life or you won't get anywhere.

Also, this is the happiest place on the earth, but most don't have time for egocentric ignorance. Good day!

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BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! That is an excellent picture! :thumbup:


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19160758 - 11/19/13 05:16 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: TheReckoning]
    #19160791 - 11/19/13 05:23 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I'm sorry these forums came off like that to you. I have learned everything I know here and the people have always been very helpful with me. I promise you none of us meant to offend, it really is a welcoming community if you take the time to read a tek or two before you post. Don't give up on mycology yet, there is a wealth of knowledge to be learned before you can even pull of a simple brf cake, yet alone make your own innovative, game changing tek. So again, I implore you to go out and do a couple grows following the tek to the t, and then if you still want to, do your matte bucket thing. I guarantee you will tweak your method over the next couple months if you spend that time growing and researching. Dismissing mycology over one thread on a mushroom growing forum is a little ridiculous, and I really hope you don't give up. Again, I have a lot of respect for those who want to innovate, and you clearly do, but if you're gonna do something, you might as well do it right.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19160847 - 11/19/13 05:39 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm sorry these forums came off like that to you. I have learned everything I know here and the people have always been very helpful with me. I promise you none of us meant to offend, it really is a welcoming community if you take the time to read a tek or two before you post. Don't give up on mycology yet, there is a wealth of knowledge to be learned before you can even pull of a simple brf cake, yet alone make your own innovative, game changing tek. So again, I implore you to go out and do a couple grows following the tek to the t, and then if you still want to, do your matte bucket thing. I guarantee you will tweak your method over the next couple months if you spend that time growing and researching. Dismissing mycology over one thread on a mushroom growing forum is a little ridiculous, and I really hope you don't give up. Again, I have a lot of respect for those who want to innovate, and you clearly do, but if you're gonna do something, you might as well do it right.




Very true my friend. Why put effort into something if its just to do it wrong. I wont bail on mycology. Its just the Khat. I dont usually fuck with it cause it keeps me up for days and makes me an asshole. But no excuses. I intend to spend my time on these forums being more pleasant and helpful and being more open to the help of those who have been doing this far longer than I.

Thank you for being so patient with me despite my shortcomings. That was an unforgivable outburst of outright disrespect for the community. And nobody deserves that.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19160956 - 11/19/13 06:01 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I can tell you that are overall a very good person and you had a moment of anger is all, but you apologized and that's more than most people would do. Don't worry about it, mycology is an amazing hobby and I'm sure you will find lots of enjoyment in it.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Sgt. Pepper]
    #19163175 - 11/20/13 01:01 AM (10 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah man I'm on my way.


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