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Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte?
    #19158408 - 11/19/13 06:15 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Good day fellow fungi s and gals.

I'm wondering if I put a 5 gallon bucket through a Industrial washing machine (like in restaurants) to sterilize it and got it filled 3/4 of the way with well brewed matte just like they do coffee at a coffee shop.

If they kept the airtight lid on it between openings and I got it filled fast with steaming hot matte substrate (which is finely ground up and then dried first) straight from the machine and used it to inoculate that same day and did all I could to keep the environment sterile.

Do you guys think that certain mushrooms would be able to cake the substrate and potentially benefit from the substrate being organic and high in medicinal benefits?

I looked around everywhere on here and in my books and didn't ever see anything about ground matte leaves or any kind of tea leaves.

If anyone knows anything experience wise on using tea, matte, or 5 gallon buckets in a tek please feel free to share any short comings or benefits from it and any suggestions to make my theoretical tek better.

Thanks a ton guys. Hope I can be a grand addition to the mushroom movement. Mushrooms will save the world!


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158416 - 11/19/13 06:20 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

This would certainly fail. Stick with known teks if you want to have success.

The kind of mushrooms we like to grow love grains. Keep that in mind


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Stromrider]
    #19158424 - 11/19/13 06:23 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I figured as much. but i still wanna see if the 5 gallon bucket idea would work with coffee. That would still work if it were all pasteurized and sterile right?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158492 - 11/19/13 07:12 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Pasteurization and sterilization are 2 completely different things.

It would be senseless to sterilize a bucket, and then expose it to open air so it immediately becomes unsterile.

Spawning is not a sterile process.....and coffee needs to be properly pasteurized....

Do not make the whole substrate coffee....just use it as an additive to your coir or manure.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158529 - 11/19/13 07:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thank you for being very clear on the ins and outs of my tek idea. Its clear I have much to learn about doing this resourcefully. I suppose im off to the co-op to get me some rye seed today.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158727 - 11/19/13 08:57 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Im not sure if you're new, Im a noob myself.

but I would avoid the coffee until your technique is
more refined. A lot of new cultivators "blame" coffee on
their contamination, and to avoid that culprit, I would avoid
it.

Just sayin' ...

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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: JMcDoogle]
    #19158734 - 11/19/13 09:00 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Im not sure if you're new, Im a noob myself.

but I would avoid the coffee until your technique is
more refined. A lot of new cultivators "blame" coffee on
their contamination, and to avoid that culprit, I would avoid
it.

Just sayin' ...

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Well thanks man I appreciate that info. I intend on using organic coffee grounds and organic rye seed and hopefully it will do well after the ol' pressure cooker.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158939 - 11/19/13 10:06 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Well thanks man I appreciate that info. I intend on using organic coffee grounds and organic rye seed and hopefully it will do well after the ol' pressure cooker.



Sterilizing it instead of pasteurizing it is only going to make it more seceptiple to contams....


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158941 - 11/19/13 10:08 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Well I meant Id pasteurize the substrate and sterilize the container using a dishwasher like in restaurants. In theory wouldn't a 5 gallon bucket cake up if you took care of it?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158949 - 11/19/13 10:10 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

There is no need to sterilize any containers....as soon as they hit open air they become unsterile, meaning you just wasted your time.

Pasteurizing/spawning/fruiting are not sterile processes....NOTHING has to be sterile at this point....just clean.

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In theory wouldn't a 5 gallon bucket cake up if you took care of it?



Not even sure what you mean by this....


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158963 - 11/19/13 10:13 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

I mean if you cleaned the bucket that well and put pasteurized substrate in a sealed airtight 5 gallon bucket. And you kept it in a dark, cozy place. Wouldn't it turn into a large mycelium cake inside similar to a jar? I know the matte substrate wont work but if the substrate were better say grain or something. It would make it to the fruiting stage wouldn't it?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19158974 - 11/19/13 10:16 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

If you mixed pasteurized substrate with spawn, it will colonize in any container.

If this container is sealed air tight, it will not be able to breathe, you need some GE(Gas Exchange).

The imperfect lid on monotubs usually takes care of this.

And there is no need to keep anything in the dark....

Jars/bags/tubs/trays should colonize @ room temperature getting ambient/indirect light.

Main pinning triggers are full colonization, FAE and Evaporation off of the substrate.

Light is a secondary pinning trigger. For tropical species temperature is not a pinning factor.

Light has been proven beneficial during all stages of mycellium growth. Mushrooms like mammals have a circadian rhythm.

You want ambient/indirect light(on a 12/12 schedule preferably) for colonization and consolidation.

You want direct/intense 6500K light on a 12/12 schedule for fruiting.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19158991 - 11/19/13 10:22 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Until you fully understand pastuerization and the difference between that and sterilization and have a technique down I would stick with coir and verm a bucket will work as a fc but honestly imo a mono is way easier


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159003 - 11/19/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Mycelium likes light to grow.

You probably couldn't seal a bucket air tight using just a lid but doing so would be undesirable because mycelium needs gas exchange (GE) to grow. There is a reason we use filtered lids when doing grains. Theoretically it might be possible to use a 5gal bucket if It was pp5 and you could subject it to 15psj to sterilize your grains or whatever you were going to use to spawn. It would likely take forever and not be even remotely worthwhile.


I'm not an expert, things I've said might be wrong, but I think I'm steering you right. You need to do an establish tek first because you don't understand the principles of growing yet. First learn the rules before you break them...first rule of art.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: PussyFart]
    #19159004 - 11/19/13 10:26 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah everytime Id grow em wed keep em tucked away so they were in a closet with a Blacklight. The LEDs work well too. Something about mushrooms. They almost seem to favor certain color LEDs more than others. Dependent on species if I were to guess but I'd have no idea why. But I know when we used blacklights or colors that weren't too powerful. They could sit in those things up to harvest from the start and they'd BOOM!

Got a little reminiscent. Reminds me of the good ol' days in high school with my buddies.

So yeah I figured id slide it out and try cutting it in half and try one whole and see which produces more fruit. I'd imagine if you cut it in half and laid both flat sides down in pearlite in a tub with holes it would do better having more room to breathe. Of course a whole cylinder may do better too being able to grow like a tree almost.

Would they both spawn the same amount of fruit?


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: blueconfusion]
    #19159010 - 11/19/13 10:28 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Until you fully understand pastuerization and the difference between that and sterilization and have a technique down I would stick with coir and verm a bucket will work as a fc but honestly imo a mono is way easier




I understand the difference quite well my friend.

Oh and I figured Id use the gas exchange tape like they have on all the cans and bags I see everywhere. I imagine it would work fine with a few holes drilled in the top and some of that tape.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159024 - 11/19/13 10:31 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

5000-6500K light, just like NAH said. I say this a lot: listen to NAH. He knows what is up.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: sytar]
    #19159039 - 11/19/13 10:35 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Mycelium likes light to grow.

You probably couldn't seal a bucket air tight using just a lid but doing so would be undesirable because mycelium needs gas exchange (GE) to grow. There is a reason we use filtered lids when doing grains. Theoretically it might be possible to use a 5gal bucket if It was pp5 and you could subject it to 15psj to sterilize your grains or whatever you were going to use to spawn. It would likely take forever and not be even remotely worthwhile.


I'm not an expert, things I've said might be wrong, but I think I'm steering you right. You need to do an establish tek first because you don't understand the principles of growing yet. First learn the rules before you break them...first rule of art.





Listen. The community is new to me. But I've flopped around with mushrooms for a few years. We can dunk and roll till were blue in the face. I know how to do castings and plugs and all that stuff.
I'm in here to see if anyone had feedback about my experimental tek friend. And what I'm gathering is that my only problem may be gas exchange. But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container using the same hot water vapor sort of method. Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright. I just didnt know if anyone had past experience with a 5 gallon bucket.

Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe. If I got it down right Thats a damn nice come back on supplies. Even if the batch takes a little more time.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: Adustus]
    #19159068 - 11/19/13 10:41 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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But I'm putting pasteurized substrate in a sterilized container



Not sure why you insist on sterilizing the container, but hey, it's your time wasted, not mine.....

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Once its in I can toss the lid on with one hole left open and shoot a syringe or toss some wedges in and it would do alright.



Will it now?

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Again experiment guys. This project would cost me an inoculation and a trip to a cafe.



And a bunch of wasted time for nothing.

Knock up grains with the wedge, and then mix the grains with the substrate.

Knocking up a bulk substrate with a spore syringe has failed more times than I care to link to.

And a few agar wedges will take forever to colonize the substrate....this is why we use thousands of grains as inoculation points....so the substrate actually colonizes in a realistic amount of time.

Regardless of how much you think you know, if this is what your idea of an experiment is I have to tell ya, it is set up to fail.

You should start with grains, then spawn them to coir/verm monotub....then experiment once you understand how this works.

Because you obviously do not......Harsh maybe.....helpful definitely.....but i can only lead a horse to water....i cannot make it drink.


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Re: Wondering if anyones ever grown with matte? [Re: sytar]
    #19159072 - 11/19/13 10:43 AM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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5000-6500K light, just like NAH said. I say this a lot: listen to NAH. He knows what is up.





I actually have one of these for my cacti and aloe. But I don't leave it on all day. So NAH you don't leave that on them all day right? cause I'd get that for 12/12 But I was saying fluorescent and UV LED that are mellow colored help the fruiting especially. But we leave them on all day and night. That's why we used LED's so they didn't overheat.

I'm just speaking for back a few years we used those cause its all we had and it made em go nuts. For kids dicking around in a closet we got some killer harvests. And thats how we did it. I'm open to try the 5000K on my next batch.


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